Wolves

[pxmk03]

really? so killing all the elk is going to fix the problem. So we should just kill all the stupid ppl in the world so that there is no more problems there? We should kill all the bad animals that have any kind of problem? Thats just like the game and fish killing all the fish in a few of the streams here in wy and id just cause they are not a native fish? That's bs i love to catch rainbow trout in those streams but guess what now i cant catch any fish cause they are all dead just to bring the cut back. STUPID let nature play it out and humans are in the nature cycle and wolvs need to be managed. 150 lb wolves are too much. And ya there are way more than 200 wolves. Do the math check this out and then think about what you are talking bout. http://www.fws.gov/mountain-prairie/species/mammals/wolf/wyomingStatus08/11072008.html Wolves are the dominant, there is nothing that hunts wolves, which means they only die from disease.

 

[PowderProject]

lol

 

[rather be ridn]

i love how the wolve lover talks a big talk and tells you how to let g&f do their jobs and how they know all but will still give you his 2 cents soundin like a huge d bag like he lives in the pack when he dont know how and whats really going on there is diseases that are killing herds was that in effect for those hundred of years you speak of ?why dont you shut up and just let a few guys that pay for their tags complain a lil with out you thinkin you know how to solve the world and the guy that said agree a 100 percent your even more of a tard

 

[PowderProject]

i love how the wolve lover talks a big talk and tells you how to let g&f do their jobs and how they know all but will still give you his 2 cents soundin like a huge d bag like he lives in the pack when he dont know how and whats really going on there is diseases that are killing herds was that in effect for those hundred of years you speak of ?why dont you shut up and just let a few guys that pay for their tags complain a lil with out you thinkin you know how to solve the world and the guy that said agree a 100 percent your even more of a tard

I am pretty far from a tard. I am not slinging any sh!t towards any one. Think again before you start talking sh!t about me. I have an opinion just like you. The difference between you and I is that I am not talking sh!t about anyone else.

 

[rather be ridn]

you didnt even state a opinion you back up someone elses and that said in my opinion your a tard like he is

 

[PowderProject]

Ok tough guy! I felt that what ctowless said was a good post. I agree with him. For me to elaborate on that would be pissing in the wind with the ignorance I have just seen. I now know the intelligence level I am working with. Have a wonderful day.

 

[rather be ridn]

tough guys right son now run long for bend ya over my knee and make ya cry alil more you know better then to talk back to your daddy

 

[PowderProject]

tough guys right son now run long for bend ya over my knee and make ya cry alil more you know better then to talk back to your daddy

grow up Richard

 

[suitcase]

umm..no offense, buti'm pretty sure that the elk population in the jackson area is well over the game and fish target numbers. i also know plenty of people that hunt here in the area, and lets just say that its not exactly all that difficult to get an elk..if you can't find one you need to work on your hunting skills, not blame wolves. elk population numbers have actually been so high that game and fish issues tags for hunting on the national elk refuge and in areas of grand teton national park...doesn't sound like a shortage of hunting opportunities for me. call me a tree hugger if you wish, i don't give a damn, but the fact of the matter is that elk, deer, wolves, and grizzly bears have all lived together harmoniously in the greater yellowstone ecosystem for thousands of years in a nice balancing act. wolves have been hunting in the area way longer than humans have, and the elk and deer have managed to survive just fine through it all, and 100 years ago before the eradiction happened there were wayyyy more wolves...and also..believe it or not, there were way more elk and deer too. it was humans that f$$%ed it all up in the first place and tipped the balance. so I'll trust the guys at game and fish to make the right decisions...these are people that rely on science to justify actions, decisions, and population numbers. these are people with real knowledge of the issues, so i trust their opinion a whole lot more than some of the redneck arm chair jockeys on this site. i'll let those guys make the hard decisions. fwiw, i do agree that wolves need to have their population numbers managed just like elk, deer, pronghorn, etc. but there is a huge differance between population control and eradication. i think having a seasonal wolf hunt is a good idea, and i think the quotas for differant areas are a fine way to do it. I also think problem wolves and packs that prey on livestock need to be dealt with. but having open season on wolves all year long sounds a bit ridiculous to me. there are only like 200 something wolves in wyoming anyway..we're not talking populations in the thousands here. so why don't you guys just let game and fish do their job...

Did I read this right? WTF!!!
For one the elk where plains animals, and the elk's deffence was line of sight. Elk where planted in that area, and where pushed by people settleing the plains. As they moved into the timber wolfes started working on the population, and as a food supply for the settlers the elk need relief from the wolfes. All settlers had a jar of (well lets just say white powder) so they could protect there food supply wheather it be the deer or elk, or there hogs, cows, and hourses. Without killing off the wolf the first time there would had been no settleing of the west nor would there be any elk or deer.
One more point in this long debate, OR never had elk they where plated there as well, but the greenies what the wolf back, and the wolfs are helping finish off the population, with help from the bears and the cats. (No hunting with dogs). I could go on and on but I'll finish with this.
There might have been a place for the wolf 150 yrs. ago but those days are gone, States with the wolfs are in need of revanue from people coming to a particular states to hunt, fish, or just plain hike around. Put some more wolfs in the woods and whatch the number of people coming to your state to do those thinge slowly get smaller and smaller, and soon there will be no our of town money coming in. And if you don't think that boostes the local econ. then you need some # on that sub. Don't aid in the greenies starving of the ranches and your rual coumunitys.
P.S. I will agree that the people changed things with the wolf and the deer and elk, The only way we can change that is move the population back to the east coast, and let thing go back to the way they were. Elk and deer leaving the mountains to get away from the wolfs bears and cats.

Just my two penny's from a redneck armchair jockey

 

[powdersnobb]

Kill them all

I say we do the same to you! If ignorance is bliss than you must be the most blissful person alive!

 

[JoeandLindze]

Iowa

We are starting to see big cats, bears and wolves here in Iowa. What you do in your back yard is your business, and what I do in mine is well... none of yours!!! If it is a threat it must die! If not, go on about your day.
Don't think the "government" or some phony tree hugger is going to put him/her self between you and that danger! Good hunting or not neighbors, and we will see who survives!
There was alot more dangers back in the day but then it wasn't against the "law" to go armed into the brush! Call me a tree hugger hater but it seems "government" and "tree hugger" go hand in hand these days!!!

 

[Scoutin Wyo]

really? so killing all the elk is going to fix the problem.

That's exactly my point! Killing the elk just to solve a disease problem is NOT the correct approach. That's why I suggest people (tree huggers & wolf haters) join the RMEF. Just like loud pipes help the anti's close trails, statements like "kill all the wolves" help the anti's keep the wolves listed.

Here is a good read on the subject.
http://www.rmef.org/NewsandMedia/PubsTV/Bugle/2008/MayJune/Wolves.htm


And for the record, I will be first in line to buy a wolf tag when the feds pull their heads out and let Wyoming de-list.

 

[powdersnobb]

really? so killing all the elk is going to fix the problem. So we should just kill all the stupid ppl in the world so that there is no more problems there? We should kill all the bad animals that have any kind of problem? Thats just like the game and fish killing all the fish in a few of the streams here in wy and id just cause they are not a native fish? That's bs i love to catch rainbow trout in those streams but guess what now i cant catch any fish cause they are all dead just to bring the cut back. STUPID let nature play it out and humans are in the nature cycle and wolvs need to be managed. 150 lb wolves are too much. And ya there are way more than 200 wolves. Do the math check this out and then think about what you are talking bout. http://www.fws.gov/mountain-prairie/species/mammals/wolf/wyomingStatus08/11072008.html Wolves are the dominant, there is nothing that hunts wolves, which means they only die from disease.

There is nothing that hunts humans. Maybe we should have open season on our own kind. I'll be coming for some of you when they do.

 

[PowderProject]

There is nothing that hunts humans. Maybe we should have open season on our own kind. I'll be coming for some of you when they do.

lol they can have the elk on their side, we will take the wolves on ours.

 

[suitcase]

The RMEF does a lot for the elk and keeping there habitat growing, which means that they are for locking up our land and taking our public access There not to shy about more wildernes, and there efforts to help and join in on those efforts. So as snowmobilers and multi use people, you are shooting yourself in the foot, in regaurds to your access to our your own land and are ability to use it. As for the wolfes there needs to be more of an aggresive approach to controling there numbers. Idaho is on the right track and they are making strong moves to protect our deer and elk herds.

 

[jtoo]

Fish and Game has great scientists, but the Gov't has an agenda, and they often over rule the scientists, for their own political power. Yellowstone is the most unnatural nature preserve in the world. Up is down and down is up within yellowstones boundaries, so making wild life observations in that park, don't add up to a hill of beans in the real world. My BIG problem with the whole wolf mess, is how the D.C. politicians came to a decision, then had open forums for us Idahoans to discuss our concerns, they disregarded them all because the decision was already made, and then forced the wolves down our collective throats. The greenies/Gov't made promises that we could then manage our own wolf populations after a certain number of wolves were in each state, then when the targets were met, they changed their target numbers. All of this was done, from Washington D.C. with absolutely no regard what so ever for our opinions. They gave us some lip service, and no ability to effect the outcome what so ever! Sounds like Health Care is going this same route. And... If the Gov't is going to be paying our bills for health care, They will... not tommorow but soon, start telling us how certain activities... Base jumping, scuba diving, motorcycle riding, snow mobiling, running with scissors, wrestling with your kid brother in your own back yard.... are all too dangerous and expensive to insure and therefore, for the common good are all restricted or banned. The Gov't is after power again.. and where it ends is anyones guess. But it will start with rationing our care, and soon they will be rationing our activities.

 

[wyomojo]

The RMEF if Pro-Wilderness & anti-snowmobile, please support them with your eyes wide open.

 

[TurboT]

Wow, definately a touchy subject. Seems to me the biggest problem is Judge Molloy out of Missoula, Mt. I truly believe Wyoming was on the right approach with the 'predatorial status' for the wolves, but Molloy put an end to that really quick; as the same for the grizzly overpopulation. Wyoming has 28 feed grounds in the state and they need to be left open to feed the elk or the population will plummet. Elk in Wyoming only inhabited Y.N.P. until they were transplanted throughout the state. I've seen firsthand what they are capable of. 15 dead elk with there achilles and throats cut and not an ounce of meat taken off of their carcasses! I was with a game warden when we found this Political pressure form idiots in D.C. started this mess and have no clue what is going in out here. Wolves in the Snowies now! That's a 400 mile distance! At this point we will always co-exist with wolves. Watch out Midwest here they come...

 

[Scoutin Wyo]

The RMEF if Pro-Wilderness & anti-snowmobile, please support them with your eyes wide open.

Ya double edged sword for sure! I love sleddin but I love to hunt elk too.

 

[Joe57]

Killem all

Hell down here in Big Piney we say killem all but then again were not Jackson tree huggers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh and by the way the Moose are the first to go .