With Boondockers new stuff would you...

[phatty]

Cant speak for Silber kits...

I OWNED 2 BD kits last year. One on the Pro RMK and one on a Cat

Things I found affected my sleds more than anything else. Spark plugs and Quality of fuel. You cant put crappy ethynol fuel in a boosted sled and expect it to preform correctly. I had to replace reeds after 1000 miles. Usually replace them around 1500 on a stock sled. Spark plugs was always a crap shoot based on quality of fuel. I ran extra oil in the pro because i was afraid of the oil lines not doing their job, so i am sure that led to fouled plugs more often than normal (changed plugs about every 200-250 miles).

Please do not compare the pro kits to the dragon kits. Completely different.

The 2012 BD set up is really impressive. I got to ride it more than a few times. I have yet to decide on my sled for 2012 but im pretty sure whatever i go with it will have a BD turbo on it.

 

[mountainhorse]

Yo Phatty... come on back to Cali... you have good luck with turbos out here....

 

[pineapple1]

I have installed and rode both boondockers and silbers kits from the 2009 800 dragons to the pro's both companies in my exsperiance at the dealership that I worked at released the product to soon. The dragons when they got the factory motor update in 2010 ran like crap, and silber did not seem to have an answer except put an old ecu on it, which at 500$ to the customer is not an opion. The boondocker also had the same problems this year with the pro's I had troubles keeping reeds in them for even 150 miles after two sets at 200 $ to the customer and many number of times on the phone with jared and peter the customer had to drive to boondockers were they installed a new box and set him on his way, on his next ride the machine acted the same way. He then sold it and went the year without riding. I have lost a customer. I am not saying anyones kit is better than the other I just wish that the companies will please make sure to do exstensive testing before releasing there product. thanks

 

[Boston Racing]

The Silber kit is 4600 ready to rock. Wideband, clutching, closed loop tuning options etc. It is also a complete bolt on kit so if you ever have to go back to stock it's no problem.

Boondocker is 4625 but does not include everything the silber does so there will be aditional cost. Maybe not 2000 but more. All the things that make the BD kit cool are not included. You also have to cut the tunnel for the tunnel dump exhaust.

Our shop has decided to stock Silber turbos even though we have had good luck with boondocker products in the past. SkiBreeze has a Pro that Justin setup last year and it rips. It impresed me so much that we just bought 2 2012 Pro's to demo his products and to let the customer's experiance the turbo giggle. We have a few kits on order and Next Level powersports will be picking up the Silber Turbos line.IMO both Kits will be great , however at the end of the day we feel that the Silber kits are a better value....Only time will tell

 

[gmustangt]

I have installed and rode both boondockers and silbers kits from the 2009 800 dragons to the pro's both companies in my exsperiance at the dealership that I worked at released the product to soon. The dragons when they got the factory motor update in 2010 ran like crap, and silber did not seem to have an answer except put an old ecu on it, which at 500$ to the customer is not an opion. The boondocker also had the same problems this year with the pro's I had troubles keeping reeds in them for even 150 miles after two sets at 200 $ to the customer and many number of times on the phone with jared and peter the customer had to drive to boondockers were they installed a new box and set him on his way, on his next ride the machine acted the same way. He then sold it and went the year without riding. I have lost a customer. I am not saying anyones kit is better than the other I just wish that the companies will please make sure to do exstensive testing before releasing there product. thanks

What do you have to say about the silber kit on the pro?

 

[Boston Racing]

It runs great on the 2011 I have experiance with. The controller is easy to tune. The clutching was great once we got it dialed in for our riding conditions and style. It runs like you would expect a turbo to run. Skibreeze owns this sled and also bought a 2012 and is getting one of the turbo kits in our initial order.

He has a 2011 Pro and liked it enough to by a 2012 with another Silber turbo.

 

[Spur]

For those of you who may be new to the turbo market rule # 1 is never judge a kit builder from a first year build.

Now that BD has had a year to ride and tune this sled my guess is it will work 25% better than other kits on the snow. You don't want to bet against a builder that has the history BD has. These guys can ride 7 days a week in mountain terrain and have the resourses to get the technical stuff figured out.

None of the kits from last year worked like they should have on the new RMK's. This year will be a different story.

 

[dcturbo]

I have installed 2 BD kits and 1 Silber kit on the pro's.
The 2 BD were on 163's the Silber was on a 155.

The BD's were not as user friendly as the Silber. Especially early in the season when I felt the BD sent stuff out to early..
Once the 3D mapping came out thats when I felt the BD was worth what we had to pay for the kit.
The timing module is a waste of money in higher elevations. IMO
The reeds will always be an issue with the 2011 kit from BD. The new 2012 kit from BD will be much better.
When I installed the Silber kit it took about half the time the BD kit did to install. The ceramic finish on the turbo is a great look.
Once Justin helped me with fine tuning the fuel and getting the clutching right. The Silber was beating up the 2 BD kits. It was towards the end April and the snow conditions were not the same as mid winter. The track speed on the 155 was around 10mph faster than the 163. Same boost. 8#'s.

I climbed a chute with the 155 that I could not make on the 163.
Now you can read into whatever you think but I Personally am anxious to see how Justin's new kit will work. The closed loop is the way of the future and will be soon standard for all kits.
If it works with out flaws then there is no kit out there that gives you so much bang for your buck.

As for the new improvements that BD has I don't see a huge benifit on the TPS... I have never had a problem on learning how to ride the throttle in the trees. Maybe I just don't understand what they are trying to accomplish with it.???

But hey either way the turbo business is getting better for you and I every year.
Time will tell.....

DC

 

[mountainhorse]

For those of you who may be new to the turbo market rule # 1 is never judge a kit builder from a first year build.

Now that BD has had a year to ride and tune this sled my guess is it will work 25% better than other kits on the snow. You don't want to bet against a builder that has the history BD has. These guys can ride 7 days a week in mountain terrain and have the resourses to get the technical stuff figured out.

None of the kits from last year worked like they should have on the new RMK's. This year will be a different story.

I hear ya... prototypes and production units in the hands of the users are two completely different things.

The Silber kit is 100% new this year. I sincerely wish him the best of luck in hitting it out of the park on the first go around with an all new kit.

The BD kit has a new injector layout and new Intercooler/Airbox.

The Aerochager is unchanged unless you go with an intercooler.

The HM turbo is the same as ran last year with some programming refinements in the Gen 3.5 box.

Stanger has been quiet.

Bryce has been kind of quiet.

I have not heard anything since from the Big Boost guys a PMS.

OVS has their kits that are essentially the same as they ran last year with some programming refinements.

 

[skibreeze]

I have an '11 Silber and will also have a '12 Silber. Will make for some interesting posts later this year.

 

[m1kflyingtiger]

The Silber kit is 100% new this year. I sincerely wish him the best of luck in hitting it out of the park on the first go around with an all new kit.

I can't say I quite agree on this statement. He's running the same 2 extra injector setup/billet throttle body and the same fuel programming. From everything I've heard the fueling on these pro's is rediculously trickey and last year justin's mapping was spot on. Yeah it's a new turbo design and cold air intake. I'm very much looking forward too this too, but as far as his tuning and programming goes he was a step closer than any of the other manufacures finished off the season when he started releasing kits.

Time will tell, as with anything, but when you pay for a kit your paying for the tuning too and that's where Justin is just improving a good product not testing a new one in hopes.

 

[mountainhorse]

With a completely new turbo, and fuel box control setup, BOV etc on the Silber kits for 2012...lots changed ... I'm sure that the tuning and programming with the new injectors and 2012 engine will have some tweaks to it... and I'm sure he will be on top of getting them well sorted for happy owners of his kits.

I will agree... 100% was not correct ... It would have been better to say "Mostly New" or "90% New" for the Silber Turbos kits.

Although I did not have a Slber kit to compare to ... the 1 BD kit and 1 Aero kit that I installed last season with my friends last season ripped the whole year and did not have issues at 8 lbs of boost... same reeds. I will probably install the new intercooler kit for Josh and Nick on their sleds from BD/Aero.





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[buckshot]

Well Justin has had some really good salesmen on his side. I had a BD on my D8 andit left lots to be desired. When it ran good it ran good though and extra thanks to Code Red not Junior. I picked up a 12 pro and ordered silber's new kit. His reputation made my decision for me.

 

[sledwolf]

Well Justin has had some really good salesmen on his side. I had a BD on my D8 andit left lots to be desired. When it ran good it ran good though and extra thanks to Code Red not Junior. I picked up a 12 pro and ordered silber's new kit. His reputation made my decision for me.

Ill second that, Justin Barnes with Code Red is one of the biggest factors i considered when ordering the BD kits for my Pros. He did right by me the last time, now i sure hope Bd has thier ducks in a row because if im blowing boots and reeds ill be one pizzed dude. Im not willing to spend that kind of cash so i can wrench on a sled all season. That said im sure the Silber kits have had just as many issues and whole lot less customers to voice complaints. So id be really suprised if his kits were as good as Bd. I just have a hard time believing that all the progress Bd has made the last couple years wont pay off big with these new kits.

 

[buckshot]

Lol ...too many Justins in the business

 

[Anthony Oberti]

I have talked to 3 people that ran the updated injectors and intercooler late last season, and they said it worked VERY well. Big difference vs. the regular BD set-up. I am putting it on my sled for sure this year.

 

[Dirt2oil]

X2, not sure if the new ebc is worth it tho, still debating that one

 

[jsandgren10]

For those of you who may be new to the turbo market rule # 1 is never judge a kit builder from a first year build.

Now that BD has had a year to ride and tune this sled my guess is it will work 25% better than other kits on the snow. You don't want to bet against a builder that has the history BD has. These guys can ride 7 days a week in mountain terrain and have the resourses to get the technical stuff figured out.

None of the kits from last year worked like they should have on the new RMK's. This year will be a different story.

I don't really agree with this statement. Just because there are a lot of resources doesn't mean it will be better. Of all boondocker products I've seen and ran with rzrs, apexes, etc they never ran as strong as a smaller company. Boondocker has more kits in different sleds where someone like silber concentrates just on the pro to make it run like it should. Same with impulse on an apex runs a lot stronger. Or for rzr a k&t or aerocharger runs better that I've seen.

I think boondocker makes good kits but not 25% better than other kits.

 

[m1kflyingtiger]

I would tend to agree, but I was enquiring about the timing key and what what all it does and if it was adaptable to anyone kit and the response I got from pete at boondockers pretty much made my mind up that I won't be buying any of their products in the forseeable future. Just the arrogance of the email and lack of respect for his competitors. (when he tried to sell me an upgrade I told him I had a silber kit and was just curious about the timing module as I ride sea level)

"The timing module is $129.99 It will help with detonation on boost but is not a fix for electronics that will not allow you to properly tune.
You would truly be much better off ordering the BD kit as it is tested* & proven and you are able to make any tuning change* if needed
I have not heard anything good about these other kits.
I have had customers call and order many of our items to convert their kit over to a BD kit utilizing only the turbocharger and tossing out the rest of what they had before"

Got ahold of the pure logic guys and got the skinny on the timing module because boondockers kept just trying to sell me a whole turbo setup instead of answering my questions because they "haven't heard anything good about these other kits."

I'm sure they make a solid product, but I feel the support is the most important thing, and a small company with a focus on a sled is going to put out a better quality product.

And thanks to the guys at pure logic! They were great, called me right back, played some phone tag and he called back 3 times the day I called, answered my questions and even advised AGAINST buying their product for my application, informing me of other ways to get better results!

 

[RidnHigh]

I would tend to agree, but I was enquiring about the timing key and what what all it does and if it was adaptable to anyone kit and the response I got from pete at boondockers pretty much made my mind up that I won't be buying any of their products in the forseeable future. Just the arrogance of the email and lack of respect for his competitors. (when he tried to sell me an upgrade I told him I had a silber kit and was just curious about the timing module as I ride sea level)

"The timing module is $129.99 It will help with detonation on boost but is not a fix for electronics that will not allow you to properly tune.
You would truly be much better off ordering the BD kit as it is tested* & proven and you are able to make any tuning change* if needed
I have not heard anything good about these other kits.
I have had customers call and order many of our items to convert their kit over to a BD kit utilizing only the turbocharger and tossing out the rest of what they had before"

Got ahold of the pure logic guys and got the skinny on the timing module because boondockers kept just trying to sell me a whole turbo setup instead of answering my questions because they "haven't heard anything good about these other kits."

I'm sure they make a solid product, but I feel the support is the most important thing, and a small company with a focus on a sled is going to put out a better quality product.

And thanks to the guys at pure logic! They were great, called me right back, played some phone tag and he called back 3 times the day I called, answered my questions and even advised AGAINST buying their product for my application, informing me of other ways to get better results!

Not to add to a rant, but the simple fact is that Pete and a couple other issues are what kept me away and to make another choice this year. I dont want to be sold, i want to be educated when i call in for help.