With Boondockers new stuff would you...

[cb2honk]

I had the BD kit on my D8 last year with some issues. I think issues, some minor, some major, are going to happen with any turbo kit. BUT, when I did run into issues, I had better luck getting help from Silber than BD. Even though I wasn't running his kit, he helped, even on the weekend, multiple times. He has earned my future business by his customer service alone.

 

[RidnHigh]

One other factor to look at is total number of kits out there... more kits = more potential for different issues and different rider input/tuning/install.

A smaller company that has a smaller number of kits will be able to give more personal service... and as this grows, so do the challenges of customer service and frustrations.
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Couldn't agree with this more. Although, the other side to this point is that, the larger you are and more kits you sell, the more money you make and the more employees you have/hire to be of assistance to these elevated number of issues. Also, the more money and time you have to R&D and put into your development. You also have more opportunity to get the bugs worked out with having more kits out there. There are a million different ways to scramble an egg, but in the end its a scrambled egg. If the kit has a major issue that many people are having problems with than you go back to the beginning, where sales numbers have nothing to do with it. You can look at both sides pretty equally and start an argument..... like stated above I hope everybodies kits run well this year.

 

[rmk685]

+1. I'm not a guy who buys on price but you can't ignore that the Silber kit is $2000 less. For me that money will prolly go to a skid. These are great times for turbo sled guys.

Silber according to their website is $4600. Boondocker according to their site is $4625. I am curious as to where everyone finds 2000 difference as I have heard alot of people mention this. Not bashing or calling anyone out just curious?

I had a bd kit in an 09 dragon and it ran great until I had the polaris updates done. Then when I reflashed it back to the original fuel map it was back to great. Had 2 frieds with the exact sled but they had the ebc and the intercooler and they couldnt get theirs to run at all! That being said I am going to give bd another shot cause I didnt have any major problems with my kit and I like the idea of their new controller that keeps the boost and throttle in ratio with each other, I think this would be a big positive for the boondockers(which i prefer to hillclimbing).

 

[gmustangt]

Silber according to their website is $4600. Boondocker according to their site is $4625. I am curious as to where everyone finds 2000 difference as I have heard alot of people mention this. Not bashing or calling anyone out just curious?

I had a bd kit in an 09 dragon and it ran great until I had the polaris updates done. Then when I reflashed it back to the original fuel map it was back to great. Had 2 frieds with the exact sled but they had the ebc and the intercooler and they couldnt get theirs to run at all! That being said I am going to give bd another shot cause I didnt have any major problems with my kit and I like the idea of their new controller that keeps the boost and throttle in ratio with each other, I think this would be a big positive for the boondockers(which i prefer to hillclimbing).

Us guys that bought silbers through the goup buy are getting them for $3600. Silber is 100% complete.

Boondocker is $4625 but does not include ebc/ new torque box / Wideband... which will easily be well over a thousand.. putting it easily over the $5600 mark... i remeber when i was looking at prices i was around 6g for a boondocker set up.

 

[Matte Murder]

Exactly. I am pretty sure the new Boonedockers kit with all the extras is right at $6000 for the 2012 Pro. Silbers kit included clutching and gauges too.

 

[rmk685]

Us guys that bought silbers through the goup buy are getting them for $3600. Silber is 100% complete.

Boondocker is $4625 but does not include ebc/ new torque box / Wideband... which will easily be well over a thousand.. putting it easily over the $5600 mark... i remeber when i was looking at prices i was around 6g for a boondocker set up.

I guess I wasnt aware of the group buy. As far as a general buyer outside of the "group buy" there isnt much price difference. The boondocker kit dont need the ebc, silber dont have it, I ran mine without ebc and it ran great.

All in all, I hope both silber and boondockers have great and trouble-free kits for the 2012 season. I know there will be problems with both, hopefully just not major problems. From everything I have read and heard about Justin (silber) I dont think a guy could go wrong with his setup, Only reason I choose bd again is cause thats what I had good luck with on my 09.

Hope everyone has a fun and safe time on boost

 

[Arcteryx]

This guy I know...... just kidding. No really I'm not! There was a guy on here last year that bought both. I emailed back and forth with him several times last year and we spoke on the phone a couple of times.
I am going to PM you his screen name you can shoot him an email and see if he will fill you in on the comparisons. I don't want to speak for him but he seemed like a cool guy and hard to argue with someone that has both.
I'll send you the PM.

 

[turboless terry]

I had a bd on an 09 m8 that was flawless. My wife's pro, also, has a bd on it and runs awesome. I didn't put the ebc on the pro but after riding my buddies cat, with the newer ebc, I wish I would have. Way simpler than the one on my 09 cat. I don't know anything about silber but it sounds like it is a good kit too. Only had one ride with a det sensor issue and then the kit only got better after I got it dialed in. I would bet most issues were due to an install issue or lack of knowledge. The best thing you could do is buy from a reputable dealer in your area. That way if you have a problem they can usually get you lined out. I bet both kits have only gotten better. Good luck with which ever you choose.

 

[jakey-boy]

Were the guys having problems with BD kits using them for boondocking and tree riding or more big climbs? I rode with 3 of them and they were spot on in the trees all day long but we never pulled any open hills at all. I'm wondering if its the guys trying to crank 10 lbs of boost and pull big straight climbs that are having better luck with Silber. Just curious if that's a difference as I know on cats BD was definitely the most reliable for bottom end boondocking but many of the other kits were able to crank out more top end.

I know BD made a bunch of changes over the spring and summer to get the kits working better including the timing control and everything else. Hopefully they have these sleds as spot on as they are known for but its good to see a guy like Silber pushing them to improve.

 

[cb2honk]

I know there will be problems with both, hopefully just not major problems.

This is what I'm talking about. So, the guy that answers the phone and is willing to help no matter what the problem is, that's who I would go with. I don't ride much during the week, so when you call at 7am on a Sunday with an issue, and Silber anwers the phone ready to help, PRICELESS! Both these kits are going to be great. BD has a great history, and Silber is off to a GREAT start. We all benefit when there is competition between manufactures.

 

[dmkhnr]

Were the guys having problems with BD kits using them for boondocking and tree riding or more big climbs? I rode with 3 of them and they were spot on in the trees all day long but we never pulled any open hills at all. I'm wondering if its the guys trying to crank 10 lbs of boost and pull big straight climbs that are having better luck with Silber. Just curious if that's a difference as I know on cats BD was definitely the most reliable for bottom end boondocking but many of the other kits were able to crank out more top end.
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I don't think there was anybody on this forum that had problems with thier bd kit that I can remember. In fact any problem that you hear of is from somebody saying "I know a guy", or "my brothers" kit didn't work.
Myself, and my buddy both ran the kit last year, and it did need some fuel tuning, and it needed a little additional weight in the clutch, but once dialed in it ran like a top.
I sold my bd turbo pro, only to buy another so I'm running my second one this year.
I did call and talk to Justin at Sibler, he was very thorough with me about his kit, very knowledgable about tuning, and putting out a quality kit at a great price. I was extremely close to pulling the trigger, in fact I have a 12 backup stocker that would be a perfect candidate for it.

Basically I like the ebc, and I like the fuel controller. They did the cold air intake, the aux injectors, and the intercooler. All of this is an improvment, and it will be a great setup.

 

[Arcteryx]

I don't think there was anybody on this forum that had problems with thier bd kit that I can remember. In fact any problem that you hear of is from somebody saying "I know a guy", or "my brothers" kit didn't work.

Ah ya, statements like these just anger the crap out of me. So let me be clear, yes there absolutely were. I was one of several with personal first hand stories. My BD runs well now so this isn't a dig on them.
I just want to be clear on realities of last years kits.

 

[Ricks 32]

I think BD was in a race to get their kit on the market last season. They will admit this as well. They put plenty of R&D throughout last season and I feel their newer kits will perform great.

I rode Smith Fork, Wyo. last November and came across the BD gang and they had some bugs to work out. I ran across them again right after the new year and they were on Cats just enjoying the day and resting their brains from the Pro project. Then again in March I rode Indian Creek and they were there with their Pro's running excellent. Their fuel control issues have been addressed and I'm sure the 2012 BD kit will be a success. After riding the BD Pro kit last spring I WISH I could get one this year.

I haven't had any experience with the Sibler kit.

 

[hyperduc]

Originally Posted by dmkhnr
I don't think there was anybody on this forum that had problems with thier bd kit that I can remember. In fact any problem that you hear of is from somebody saying "I know a guy", or "my brothers" kit didn't work.

I guess being stuck on the mountain or going back to the trailer early because the guy that I was riding had issues with his BD wasn't an instance of first hand knowledge. Just because I didn't own the sled, doesn't mean that I don't have a relevant opinion as to the problems they had.

 

[dmkhnr]

Ah ya, statements like these just anger the crap out of me. So let me be clear, yes there absolutely were. I was one of several with personal first hand stories. My BD runs well now so this isn't a dig on them.
I just want to be clear on realities of last years kits.

Were your problems just fueling/clutching issues, or were they bad components, or design flaws?
Most of any issues that I read about or experienced had to do with fueling/clutching, and I wouldn't call these problems, just tuning was needed to make the kit run right.

 

[iq 700]

two years ago i had a BD race gas kit on my d7 and had some issues trying to get it dialled in. after a few calls and about an hr on the phone pete from boondockers jumped in his car and drove to togwotee to help me out and after being there for a half hr it was running great and ran flawless for two years. it was a great kit and the help from them guys was amazing. customer service like that is why i ordered another kit for my pro. cant wait for it to get here. hats off to BD

 

[Matte Murder]

iq 700 you got some great service there. It would be awesome if Boonedocker or any other Turbo mfg had test and tune days a couple of times a year in popular riding areas. They could come with a trailer full of parts and a few techs who could help people having trouble with their installs or tuning. Even if I had a set up running well I would love to have somebody with experience jump on my sled and ride it so they could give me advice on tuning or clutch set up or shocks or whatever. Boonedocker is in some prime riding area too, so they wouldn't have to travel too far. Does Boonedocker do their own installs at their facility or just through dealers? I really want to turbo an ETEC but that sled is so high tech it scares me to mess it up. The engine runs so good stock and is 100% trouble free. I don't want to end up with a problem.

 

[skibreeze]

I don't think there was anybody on this forum that had problems with thier bd kit that I can remember. In fact any problem that you hear of is from somebody saying "I know a guy", or "my brothers" kit didn't work.
Myself, and my buddy both ran the kit last year, and it did need some fuel tuning, and it needed a little additional weight in the clutch, but once dialed in it ran like a top.
I sold my bd turbo pro, only to buy another so I'm running my second one this year.
I did call and talk to Justin at Sibler, he was very thorough with me about his kit, very knowledgable about tuning, and putting out a quality kit at a great price. I was extremely close to pulling the trigger, in fact I have a 12 backup stocker that would be a perfect candidate for it.

Basically I like the ebc, and I like the fuel controller. They did the cold air intake, the aux injectors, and the intercooler. All of this is an improvment, and it will be a great setup.

If you read the 4th post, you have your first example of issues with a bd kit. I got personal help from the dealer, phone support, but in the end it never got reliable. I finally removed the kit and sold it. I then bought a silber pro.

 

[colorado_matt]

I don't think there is any relevance comparing anything dragon related to the pro regardless of who's kit was on it or if it was stock.

I spent a majority of last winter riding with BoonDocker pros and was very impressed time and time again. I will be riding a BoonDocker pro this year with 100% confidence in both products. I have never been more excited for a new sled and this is my 7th. Hopefully all kits perform great and I hope to see them all on the snow.

 

[dcturbo]

No one seems to remember all the issues with reeds?

We have 2 BD's one went through 1 set and the other went through 2. And yes I did double up the bottom row.
The best thing BD is doing this year is actually using 2 auxiliary injectors to fuel the turbo and this will keep the reeds from getting to hot and chipping.