With Boondockers new stuff would you...
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This will be a very emotional topic...with the fans of both putting up their perception of their own kit that they have run and/or the kit they have invested $4000+ of hard earned cash on just this season.
Please PLEASE... lets keep this thread clean and bash free... both on the products and on each other.
If you have direct experience with a kit... post that up... but not your uncles brothers best friends milkman's experience as told through your local butcher.
Both kits have new features... both kits had many happy owner... some bad experiences for sure... but we are talking turbos here.
There are other top notch offerings as well including Aerocharger, OVS, Twisted, Turbo Boyz, HM Turbos (am I missing any?)
Boondockers has new components in them that have not been used in the consumers hands... So does Silber.
Life is good, boost it up!
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Please PLEASE... lets keep this thread clean and bash free... both on the products and on each other.
If you have direct experience with a kit... post that up... but not your uncles brothers best friends milkman's experience as told through your local butcher.
Both kits have new features... both kits had many happy owner... some bad experiences for sure... but we are talking turbos here.
There are other top notch offerings as well including Aerocharger, OVS, Twisted, Turbo Boyz, HM Turbos (am I missing any?)
Boondockers has new components in them that have not been used in the consumers hands... So does Silber.
Life is good, boost it up!
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Not trying to start a bash fest. Just some insight from people who have had PERSONAL Experiences.
It can be hard to not be biased could be based on different sleds. IE, my 08 Dragon BD continually had issues and had even more after removing the kit. So far the Silber on my Pro has had better results but is it the sled or the kit, sometimes we'll never know.
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I had a boondocker on my pro last year seems like it never really worked correct, then they made changes and had to send boxes back in and all kinds of little issues, i was not to happy so i sold it and now i am gonna try silbers turbo kit
I had a boondocker on my pro last year seems like it never really worked correct, then they made changes and had to send boxes back in and all kinds of little issues, i was not to happy so i sold it and now i am gonna try silbers turbo kit
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theshadowrider
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I run a BD turbo with and intercooler and the EBC. (On a dragon) Its worked awesome. BD's EBC is the sweetest feature. I love the EBC that I can set the boost and it always what I set. Then I took the push to pass button and hooked it up to a a toggle switch. I ride at 8 lbs and they if I am going climbing then I just hit the switch to add 2 lbs or 4 lbs depending on the day. My brother rides a turbo performance XP and liked the EBC so much he bought one from BD and put it on his skidoo! Riding a sled without, and now one with the EBC, I will never ride without no matter who's kit I run.
I run a BD turbo with and intercooler and the EBC. (On a dragon) Its worked awesome. BD's EBC is the sweetest feature. I love the EBC that I can set the boost and it always what I set. Then I took the push to pass button and hooked it up to a a toggle switch. I ride at 8 lbs and they if I am going climbing then I just hit the switch to add 2 lbs or 4 lbs depending on the day. My brother rides a turbo performance XP and liked the EBC so much he bought one from BD and put it on his skidoo! Riding a sled without, and now one with the EBC, I will never ride without no matter who's kit I run.
Another variable is actually were a person rides. Low elevation riders seldom have issues with spool up or bottom end but find it a little more difficult to run the bigger boost.
I have run three BD turbos two 700 dragon rg kits and a pro pump gas kit. I have had very few issues with any of them but there was always something that I would have liked to work better. The 700 dragon kits had great power with a little less bottom end and teh pro was great on the bottom but I found it lacking on the top.
I ride low elevation (2500 ft) so I was limited to 7 lbs boost with Av. An intercooler is a must and really should be with any two stroke turbo. My .02
I have run three BD turbos two 700 dragon rg kits and a pro pump gas kit. I have had very few issues with any of them but there was always something that I would have liked to work better. The 700 dragon kits had great power with a little less bottom end and teh pro was great on the bottom but I found it lacking on the top.
I ride low elevation (2500 ft) so I was limited to 7 lbs boost with Av. An intercooler is a must and really should be with any two stroke turbo. My .02
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SSWIM
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This response is absolutely 100% right on. Both the BD and Silber kits are "new" this year. It will be interesting to see the outcome. No matter what the results, we the consumer, are going to benefit from the R&D and new upgrades.
Sam
So with you just saying what you just did above...Is the Boondocker EBC universal with others Kits? Is that what you are telling me?
This kind of question is always going to lead to hurt feelings, because there are some people out there who just cannot take negative comments about "their" turbo.
I personally chose the silber after two friends (both with BD pump gas set ups) couldn't get their sleds to run correctly, and the folks at BD were unable to help. I never dealt with them personally, but the customer service wasn't the issue. In speaking with several other owners of the same BD kit the feeling was the same, it didn't run right and BD didn't know how to fix it.
Silber on the other hand, you would have to look pretty hard to find someone that wasn't happy with his set-up.
My impression of the BD "new stuff" is that they finally figured it out and are releasing a new kit to replace the one they had issues with, in defense though they do some have cool electronic controllers that no one else does.
I personally chose the silber after two friends (both with BD pump gas set ups) couldn't get their sleds to run correctly, and the folks at BD were unable to help. I never dealt with them personally, but the customer service wasn't the issue. In speaking with several other owners of the same BD kit the feeling was the same, it didn't run right and BD didn't know how to fix it.
Silber on the other hand, you would have to look pretty hard to find someone that wasn't happy with his set-up.
My impression of the BD "new stuff" is that they finally figured it out and are releasing a new kit to replace the one they had issues with, in defense though they do some have cool electronic controllers that no one else does.
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theshadowrider
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Yes. The ebc works on any kit. Not hard to install either.
+1. I'm not a guy who buys on price but you can't ignore that the Silber kit is $2000 less. For me that money will prolly go to a skid. These are great times for turbo sled guys.
I have to wonder, with all of the stuff BD has going on(ebc, tps sensor, push to pass, etc), is that just making it too complicated? I know the EBC works well if you know all of the ins and outs, i would just worry about making the turbo system too complicated?
On the other hand, Silber kits(2010-11 kits, not the new ones) are simple but not as hi tech. You may not have as much adjustability, but would it be better due to the fact its more simple and there is just less to go wrong?
On the other hand, Silber kits(2010-11 kits, not the new ones) are simple but not as hi tech. You may not have as much adjustability, but would it be better due to the fact its more simple and there is just less to go wrong?
You can read all of the past experience threads elswhere. I think this will end badly if the bashing starts. Just because a guy had a bad BD kit last year dont mean chit they have a new product, just like everyone was happy with silber last year but he has a new product. So this thread is worthless
One other factor to look at is total number of kits out there... more kits = more potential for different issues and different rider input/tuning/install.
A smaller company that has a smaller number of kits will be able to give more personal service... and as this grows, so do the challenges of customer service and frustrations.
Both BD and Silber tested the Comp Turbo's in their proto sleds last season and into the summer... Silber will be running these in his kits for 2012, BD wants to hold off for more evaluation. I hope to stop by Comp Turbos when I'm visiting family in the San Dimas area this fall ...should be interesting.
Whatever you run and whatever you ride... I sincerely hope that you all have a flawless season!!
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A smaller company that has a smaller number of kits will be able to give more personal service... and as this grows, so do the challenges of customer service and frustrations.
Both BD and Silber tested the Comp Turbo's in their proto sleds last season and into the summer... Silber will be running these in his kits for 2012, BD wants to hold off for more evaluation. I hope to stop by Comp Turbos when I'm visiting family in the San Dimas area this fall ...should be interesting.
Whatever you run and whatever you ride... I sincerely hope that you all have a flawless season!!
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Also to add to this, most people don't join forums because they are looking to praise a product either. They join cause they are having issues, so even a small issue can seem much larger than it really is
