who rides them that way? for that matter any sled. That's kinda like buying a house and not putting anything in it, Might as well be riding a rental and its cheaper than owning a sled
What's so good about 4-Stroke Mountain Sleds??
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who rides them that way? for that matter any sled. That's kinda like buying a house and not putting anything in it, Might as well be riding a rental and its cheaper than owning a sled
I completely agree with this one, had many friends stuck on their 2 stroke dirtbikes and now they all have 4 strokes only because they out preform the 2 strokes STOCK.
the 4 stroke sleds stock havent come close yet weight wise but only time will tell and we all know 4 strokes is the future but not right now imo(unless you turbo$$)
they need more time and i could see in a couple years that most of you guys hatin on 4 strokes will be riding one soon.
untill then ill stay on my stock sled that rocks! and its a 2 stroke
I by no means want anything to do with the 2/4 stroke fight, but this caught me a bit. In motocross 250 4 strokes run in the 125 class, and 450 4 strokes run in the 250 class, so they can be competitive. Thats cool and all, but directly compared CC to CC, the 4 aint out performin the 2 stroke stock for stock.
That being said, who cares what you ride? We were out banging up the hills today, in our group; M8, M1000 mod, 2 XP's, vintage Rev, Stock Vector, couple vintage RMK's, and a 94 phazer. Everyone had a helluva time, different strokes for different folks.
I would love to have a turbo 4 stroke to do wheelies all over the place with for a while tho!
I have yet to see one single 2 stroke turbo impress me.
They are up at the cabin and then when we come back they are gone. Probably had to go back down and get loaded up before they have to get the tools out. Having said this my buddy built one, but as far as I know, he picked it up in Nov and has yet to get it reliable enough to ride with a group.
Hey but to each their own, I own both.
They are up at the cabin and then when we come back they are gone. Probably had to go back down and get loaded up before they have to get the tools out. Having said this my buddy built one, but as far as I know, he picked it up in Nov and has yet to get it reliable enough to ride with a group.
Hey but to each their own, I own both.
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Doo will probable come out with a larger (800cc-1000cc)e-tec mtn sled for 2010. But they will most likely have a 1200 154"and 163" which is what I would like to Turbo up. It would save me $ not have to add a longer track/suspension=$2400.IMO
Doo will probable come out with a larger (800cc-1000cc)e-tec mtn sled for 2010. But they will most likely have a 1200 154"and 163" which is what I would like to Turbo up. It would save me $ not have to add a longer track/suspension=$2400.IMO
Here we go again, getting really tired of the old let's bash the heavy ,under powered,4 stroke boat anchors again by the ignorant dumba$$ who doesn't own one or hasn't ridden one enough to understand.
I DO own a bone stock 06 Vector 162 Mtn SE. Bought it that way as I was unsure as to what I was getting myself into, did a ton of research here on sites like this, magazine reviews etc., but even with all that knowledge was still abit skeptical about the 4 stroke. I jumped ship from Polaris, had a 800 RMK with a few mods and ( still have) a 700 RMK with tons of mods, and bought a stock Vector. Figured before I go and spend a ton of cash on boost I'd give it an honest try, put it up on the hills against the guys I ride with and see what it can do, then go from there. Well, it been 3 seasons, bone stock, and loving it. It will hold it's own with the Summit , RMK and MTN Cat 7-800's 151-159's of the world. Some conditions it will out perform them and in some conditions they get the better of me, but all in all they are pretty equal. Now it doesn't highmark like the XP,Dragons and M's of the world, but if that's all you want to do, then boost it, and you'll leave them behind. I could care less about being high man on the hill, doesn't take any talent to pin it and go straight up, and it all comes down to the one with the most money into his sled who will own the highmark. That is FACT!!!! What I like is boondocking thru the trees, grabbing some air, exploring new areas, etc., and my great big heavy boat anchor is the best sled I've ever ridden for all that, and I've tried them all. The weight difference is irrelevant, I personally, can't feel it while riding it, it handles way better than my old 800 RMK. I also really enjoy the turn key reliability, no adding injector oil, the way better fuel mileage and no smoke smell,( although some days I miss the smell of a good 2 stroke oil in the air). I take my sled to my dealer every October, for 250 bucks I get synthetic oil change and a pre-season tune up, I've used 2 belts in all that time, added new skis ( my own fault for riding way to early/ late in the seasons), hyfax (normal wear) and a ignition switch ( my own fault for rolling it over into a tree well). Until the guys I ride with start to make it hard for me, the sled will get only minimal upgrades, plans include exhaust, shockwave helix and a new track. Sometimes I would like that boost, but it's not required yet, maybe when guys in my crew all switch to newer iron then it'll get boost, till then it's staying pretty much stock.
Riding a 4 stroke for a few minutes here and there doesn't give you enough time to make an intelligent opinion on their performance, if you think it does, you need to revaluate your intelligence. I made the switch to a 4 stroke sled and don't regret it for a second, and judging from the posts everyone else who actually OWNS a 4 stroke loves theirs too, the only people who seem to hate them don't own one. Of course no sled is perfect and some can't get past brand loyalty, but if that's you to bad for you!!
Enough, of my ranting. Ride what you will, don't bash what you don't know or are afraid of and have fun. Ride safe and see you on the hills with my boat anchor!!!!!
I DO own a bone stock 06 Vector 162 Mtn SE. Bought it that way as I was unsure as to what I was getting myself into, did a ton of research here on sites like this, magazine reviews etc., but even with all that knowledge was still abit skeptical about the 4 stroke. I jumped ship from Polaris, had a 800 RMK with a few mods and ( still have) a 700 RMK with tons of mods, and bought a stock Vector. Figured before I go and spend a ton of cash on boost I'd give it an honest try, put it up on the hills against the guys I ride with and see what it can do, then go from there. Well, it been 3 seasons, bone stock, and loving it. It will hold it's own with the Summit , RMK and MTN Cat 7-800's 151-159's of the world. Some conditions it will out perform them and in some conditions they get the better of me, but all in all they are pretty equal. Now it doesn't highmark like the XP,Dragons and M's of the world, but if that's all you want to do, then boost it, and you'll leave them behind. I could care less about being high man on the hill, doesn't take any talent to pin it and go straight up, and it all comes down to the one with the most money into his sled who will own the highmark. That is FACT!!!! What I like is boondocking thru the trees, grabbing some air, exploring new areas, etc., and my great big heavy boat anchor is the best sled I've ever ridden for all that, and I've tried them all. The weight difference is irrelevant, I personally, can't feel it while riding it, it handles way better than my old 800 RMK. I also really enjoy the turn key reliability, no adding injector oil, the way better fuel mileage and no smoke smell,( although some days I miss the smell of a good 2 stroke oil in the air). I take my sled to my dealer every October, for 250 bucks I get synthetic oil change and a pre-season tune up, I've used 2 belts in all that time, added new skis ( my own fault for riding way to early/ late in the seasons), hyfax (normal wear) and a ignition switch ( my own fault for rolling it over into a tree well). Until the guys I ride with start to make it hard for me, the sled will get only minimal upgrades, plans include exhaust, shockwave helix and a new track. Sometimes I would like that boost, but it's not required yet, maybe when guys in my crew all switch to newer iron then it'll get boost, till then it's staying pretty much stock.
Riding a 4 stroke for a few minutes here and there doesn't give you enough time to make an intelligent opinion on their performance, if you think it does, you need to revaluate your intelligence. I made the switch to a 4 stroke sled and don't regret it for a second, and judging from the posts everyone else who actually OWNS a 4 stroke loves theirs too, the only people who seem to hate them don't own one. Of course no sled is perfect and some can't get past brand loyalty, but if that's you to bad for you!!
Enough, of my ranting. Ride what you will, don't bash what you don't know or are afraid of and have fun. Ride safe and see you on the hills with my boat anchor!!!!!
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yamaha4life
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i have a stock 2008 apex mtx and my riding buddies have summit xp's , arctic cat m sleds, polaris rmk dragons, but the thing is i can keep up with them and do almost everything they can do. the things is you don't really notice the weight and i get why better gas mileage and its more reliable. my buddies are die hard 2-stroke rides and i let them try it and they also really like it. by the way next year im boosting it and i know they will have a hard time keeping up with me.
Put a 450 2 stroke out there and then see what happens. They have all gone to the 4 stroke because of the displacement advantage and the draconian EPA requirements by the government. The motorcycle manufactures threw up their hands and said ****k it!
I would love to see a 250 cc direct injected racer out there.
Im not going to get into the sled issues. Thats out of my area. I ride a 800rev and like it. The 2 stroke dirt bike is a thing of the past! Kaw and honda dropped the big 2 strokes a few years ago. Think the little ones are on the way out as well. EPA sucks. KTM holds true with a 300cc 2 stroke. Wins every woods bike shootout the mags have. Isnt that kind of like boondocknig on a sled??? That said in Billings MT we have a motorcycle hillclimb that is fairly famous. Some of you may know what im talking about. The old CR500 still can and sometimes does outperform the newer 450s. No bs classes. CC limit no matter what stroke. Hell one year in the mod class i seen a 800 polaris 2stroke in a bike won the class. Next year an old air compressor (aka Harley davidson) powered bike won. Point being dont let the turbo guys scare u. Pick a harder line and go for it......U might win. Rider skill is way more important than sled. Dont be scared 2 stroke riders!!!!!!!! Rant over
PS I ride an old CR 500 that makes as much power as a new 450. Not as wide of power ban though. but one hell of a lot cheaper to fix(motor wise at least. $90 for rings= new motor. do that with a 4 stroke!!! mine is a 96 with no motor problems yet reliability is not an issue)
PS I ride an old CR 500 that makes as much power as a new 450. Not as wide of power ban though. but one hell of a lot cheaper to fix(motor wise at least. $90 for rings= new motor. do that with a 4 stroke!!! mine is a 96 with no motor problems yet reliability is not an issue)
Great post. Tells it like it is. I had similar experiences.
hiflyr, much props for the pic, thats sweet. but back to all of the ranting. i ride an 800 rev, i like it, if i could have any sled, it would be a tm8, but i dont have nearly that much money. i have ridden stock 4 strokes, and wasnt very impresed. but i have seen tnytro in action and there amazingly powerful and fast. but i never saw him carving or sidehilling. he just went straight up. and im guessing cuz either its heavy or he didnt want to roll a 25K sled. and about the dirtbikes, they got ride of 2 stroke racing so the public would switch to 4 stroke, cuz lets face it, most 2 strokes emmissions are not good at all. but there is a lot of stump humpers out there and they dont like that. but i still ride and love my yz250. they did the same switch in motorcycle racing not that long ago. they went from 500cc 2 strokes to 1000cc 4 strokes. so cc to cc, 4 strokes dont have a chance, but with boost and lots of money, they would be fun. and theres my 2 cents
market share
BRP wants to dominate all markets the 4 stroke is another joice for the buyer so have a four stroke and work your way into that market too.
BRP wants to dominate all markets the 4 stroke is another joice for the buyer so have a four stroke and work your way into that market too.
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"HUH????.........a '72 Elan???"
"The first fun sled I had was a RUPP ....but I was six....."
In conclusion, "What's so good about 4 stroke mountain sleds??" : After seven years I've saved enough $$$ on oil, gas and repairs to justify the BOOST. And honestly I really had fun on my stock sled and was always right up there breakin' trail or leading the way.
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uh oh..... why didn't I just keep my mouth shut.
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JSun
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I really thought this thread died awhile ago, but I have no choice but to respond to the previous post.
My response to your first HUH...
Arctic Cat M8 HCR (Only dry weight I could find) - 457 lbs
Polaris Dragon 800 155 - 472lbs (What Polaris lists it at)
Ski-Doo Summit 154 - 435lbs, in reality closer to 450lbs
Ski-Doo Renegade 4-Tec - 533lbs
Yamaha Nytro MTX - 553lbs
I'll let the math speak for itself, and last time I checked people don't ride "engines"..... The extra weight also is due to the fact that the chassis needs to be built stronger to handle the extra weight of the 4-stroke.
To your second HUH....
Congradulations
To your third HUH....
I don't mind running my sled hard to get to the top of a hill, and I enjoy working at getting there. Also, I've never had my sled "sputter" and spit or "flood" on a warm day, cold day, whatever. I have a ski-doo, DPM takes care of environmental changes for me, everyone else has some form of EFI. The days of the rotary valve 670s are over, but I will agree with what you stated if those were the two-strokes you were talking about.
Like I said before, its great that people love their 4-strokes, and its nice to see how far 4-stroke snowmobiles have come since the first real one in 2003. Kind of scary to think its only been 7 model years, and 8 with the 2010s. I just think that in the mountain snowmobile market, for all but the turbo guys, the 2-stroke will be a better option for years to come, if the manufacturers decide to go that way. The Etec ski-doo gets as good or better fuel milage, uses barely any oil, and its not like the majority of todays two-stroke are in the shop everyday. So when compared to the 4-strokes, I'll take the weight savings, at least for a few more years........
Oh, and yes I loved my Elan, I don't really see a problem with that, I rode it up until I was 17.... I have yet to have more fun on any snowmobile
My response to your first HUH...
Arctic Cat M8 HCR (Only dry weight I could find) - 457 lbs
Polaris Dragon 800 155 - 472lbs (What Polaris lists it at)
Ski-Doo Summit 154 - 435lbs, in reality closer to 450lbs
Ski-Doo Renegade 4-Tec - 533lbs
Yamaha Nytro MTX - 553lbs
I'll let the math speak for itself, and last time I checked people don't ride "engines"..... The extra weight also is due to the fact that the chassis needs to be built stronger to handle the extra weight of the 4-stroke.
To your second HUH....
Congradulations
To your third HUH....
I don't mind running my sled hard to get to the top of a hill, and I enjoy working at getting there. Also, I've never had my sled "sputter" and spit or "flood" on a warm day, cold day, whatever. I have a ski-doo, DPM takes care of environmental changes for me, everyone else has some form of EFI. The days of the rotary valve 670s are over, but I will agree with what you stated if those were the two-strokes you were talking about.
Like I said before, its great that people love their 4-strokes, and its nice to see how far 4-stroke snowmobiles have come since the first real one in 2003. Kind of scary to think its only been 7 model years, and 8 with the 2010s. I just think that in the mountain snowmobile market, for all but the turbo guys, the 2-stroke will be a better option for years to come, if the manufacturers decide to go that way. The Etec ski-doo gets as good or better fuel milage, uses barely any oil, and its not like the majority of todays two-stroke are in the shop everyday. So when compared to the 4-strokes, I'll take the weight savings, at least for a few more years........
Oh, and yes I loved my Elan, I don't really see a problem with that, I rode it up until I was 17.... I have yet to have more fun on any snowmobile
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