What's so good about 4-Stroke Mountain Sleds??

[JSun]

Looks like the Yamaha's will have some direct competition in the mountains next year from Ski-Doo. There are pics of a 154" 4-stroker on the ski-doo forum.

My first question is this, how big could the market for 4-stroke mountain sleds possibly be?? In my opinion, the 4-stroke mountain sleds, at least the yamaha's and I am guessing the ski-doo as well, are not even mountain sleds until the owner puts at least another $6000-$10,000 into it. Turbo, new tunnel, skis, new rear suspension, track, etc. The number of snowmobilers that are able and willing to do that is relatively small. I have seen a stock Apex run in the mountains and it was pathetic, it couldn't climb and couldn't boondock, so now what you basically have is a long tracked trail sled.

My next question is for the people on here that own a 4-stroke turbo. How much fun is it to ride your sled with a bunch guys that don't own a turbo?? IMO, most of the fun I have riding comes from the competition aspect, and there really isn't any when comparing say an XP to a Nytro turbo. So now to have a lot of fun on one of these, you need a couple of your buddies to be able to afford a $20,000 snowmobile as well. The market seems to be getting smaller..

Next, I feel like the turbo 4's are pretty one dimensional snowmobiles, great for climbing the biggest hills you have the guts to attempt, and that's about it. I rode a turbo Nytro a couple weeks ago and it was a blast once I got it pointed straight up the hill, but trying to turn that thing to go uphill was quite the ordeal. If given the choice between the Turbo Nytro and any 800 class 2-stroke, I'd take the 2-stroke any day.

So, what is the big attraction to the 4-strokes? I just can't see it.

 

[Climbmax]

bawhahahaha.
This otta get good

 

[jimmy buffet]

i love when they say they will last forever......

5 years from now you dont want it....who cares how long the motor will last....rest of the sled is already outdated.

to heavy and push real hard. just my .02 cents

 

[Wheel House Motorsports]

i think your missing the most important part, its not what we want....

EPA.... there ya go, thats why they are coming our way.

 

[yardfarmer]

rental market...saw a $hit ton of them last weekend, ducks in a row and moving slow...,hope I never see the day that we will be forced to ride them

 

[rjm350]

My first question is this, how big could the market for 4-stroke mountain sleds possibly be?? In my opinion, the 4-stroke mountain sleds, at least the yamaha's and I am guessing the ski-doo as well, are not even mountain sleds until the owner puts at least another $6000-$10,000 into it. Turbo, new tunnel, skis, new rear suspension, track, etc. The number of snowmobilers that are able and willing to do that is relatively small. I have seen a stock Apex run in the mountains and it was pathetic, it couldn't climb and couldn't boondock, so now what you basically have is a long tracked trail sled.

I have both a stock XP and Tnytro I used to love the ski-doo because they were in my opinion a very competitive sled for Climbing and boondocking. The 4-strokes came out started making huge power and for an additional 10%-15% of the coast of the big power sled you could lighten up and make it handle great. BRP felt a loose in sales to the yamaha market and they are trying to get there customers back. I guess I don't know how big the market is, and I bet the BRP guys asked the same question when yamaha first came out with the 4-stroke. I think it is obviously bigger then BRP thought and probably bigger then you think and that is why BRP is coming out with the new line.

My next question is for the people on here that own a 4-stroke turbo. How much fun is it to ride your sled with a bunch guys that don't own a turbo?? IMO, most of the fun I have riding comes from the competition aspect, and there really isn't any when comparing say an XP to a Nytro turbo. So now to have a lot of fun on one of these, you need a couple of your buddies to be able to afford a $20,000 snowmobile as well. The market seems to be getting smaller..

In my group the year I started ridding a Turbo the other two guys I ride with also got into the turbo market the same year...they are on an TM8 and Tski-doo...its really fun when the 4-stroke takes the 2-stroke.

Next, I feel like the turbo 4's are pretty one dimensional snowmobiles, great for climbing the biggest hills you have the guts to attempt, and that's about it. I rode a turbo Nytro a couple weeks ago and it was a blast once I got it pointed straight up the hill, but trying to turn that thing to go uphill was quite the ordeal. If given the choice between the Turbo Nytro and any 800 class 2-stroke, I'd take the 2-stroke any day.

This is your opinion, and was mine at one time too.

So, what is the big attraction to the 4-strokes? I just can't see it.

Power and Speed.

 

[2000TCMC]

I came really close to buying/building a s/c Nytro this year but for the money I bought an M8. Just couldn't justify 15K for a sled that as stated above needs a new front & rear suspension, and a new track / maybe tunnel depending on length. I know I would spend at 20K to have it the way I wanted. The stock 800's are coming with good suspensions and track options. Basically gonna leave the thing stock and ride it. It is a blast to ride, may not get the high mark every time, but it works really good for a stock sled.

I understand that Yamaha will be coming out with a higher HP motor in basically the nytro chassis but lighter than the XTX in a mountain sled next year. If you have a 525# ish 170+HP 4 stroke in a good chassis it may be worth looking at. I think that the Nytro MTX at 550+ is still to heavy for the stock HP. Cut the weight add HP now maybe people will pay more attention without a blower.

Just my .02

 

[yammerhammer]

My question is this, Why would any of you give a sh!t? Ride a 2 stroke, like it, let others ride what they want and STFU.

 

[Slick]

I think Jsun and some others can't afford boost, and they hate getting their butts spanked , so..........naturally,..... 4 strokes must SUCK.
Ride and enjoy what you want. (and save your money), LOL

 

[adrenaline junkey]

Ya know my apex is the worst long tracked trail sled i ever owned its just good for nothing i guess



long live the two stroke

 

[80 ponies]

My question is this, Why would any of you give a sh!t? Ride a 2 stroke, like it, let others ride what they want and STFU.

Amen

 

[rjr_73]

Ya know my apex is the worst long tracked trail sled i ever owned its just good for nothing i guess



long live the two stroke

I know man, I hat my 08 nytro to.... hate the smooth ride the most hahaha . 2 smoke all you want but yamaha rocks you haters.

 

[drinkwyo]

ya, what he said STFU

 

[ridehard1212]

most turbo 4strokes are more turnkey then stock 800s!!!!!!! and when i go riding i want to ride

 

[ridehard1212]

but im riding a two smoker right now... just waiting for cats and yammis 2010 so i can decide to snowcheck or spring/summer buy a nytro!!!

 

[Bauer]

My question is this, Why would any of you give a sh!t? Ride a 2 stroke, like it, let others ride what they want and STFU.

lolz

 

[longhairfreak]

We are at the point now where a 2 stroke turbo will lay the smackdown on a 4 stroke turbo. Having said that who would want a 4 stroke turbo?

 

[ridehard1212]

We are at the point now where a 2 stroke turbo will lay the smackdown on a 4 stroke turbo. Having said that who would want a 4 stroke turbo?

somebody who does not want to wrench/ run race fuel/ buy pistons... on know that the 2stroke turbos have come a long way, but everytime i see one for sale i look at the person posts and they are allways asking questions on why its doing this or that.. im not a tech and i dont want tobe, i want to turn the key and ride... and stock 2strokers are not that reliable, add a hairdryer and they are not going to get better?? plus in canada race fuel is like 30 bucks a gallon!!

 

[bungeeguy]

I'm glad to see the progress of 4 stroke sleds, look at the dirtbike market and what it has done with 4 strokes. I rode 250 2 strokes for years until Honda released the CRF 450 4 stroke in 02, I am still ridin a CRF today and the bike is awesome. There is a huge demand out there for the benefits of a 4 stroke motor and we will all benefit once the weight is down and the power is up. Eventually they will be good enough that a turbo will not be needed, and it may not be far off.

 

[NM]

We are at the point now where a 2 stroke turbo will lay the smackdown on a 4 stroke turbo. Having said that who would want a 4 stroke turbo?

If this is true, then why would they not at least show the 4 strokes they can. I guess this is what UFO's and a 2 stroke turbo smackin down on a fourstroke turbo have in common...Everyone has heard the rumor, but no one can confirm it. BIS should be interesting this year watching the 2 smokers trying to keep up. Who is stepping up? Anyone? Anyone?