Weight Lifting supplements?

[milehighassassin]

Creatine will also make you a moody bastage and shorten your temper.

That is not a side effect of Creatine. Creatine is a natural substance. There are high levels of it in red meat already.

With that said, people under the age of 18 should not be using it.

Creatine will gain you muscle. The initial gain is water but continued use with a good workout routine will show solid muscle gains. Unless you are already maxing out your workout, there is not much point. Don't start off working out and immediately start taking creatine.

Good read on it:
http://www.menshealth.com/nutrition/creatine-side-effects-what-it-what-it-does

I am a HUGE fan of protein. 100% Whey protein. When I was working out regularly, I found taking a protein drink within 30 minutes of working out GREATLY helped my recovery time and I was also not as sore.

Also, "bulking up" does not reduce flexibility. Many athletes bulk up that need flexibility. Maintain your stretching.

 

[jakey-boy]

Protein and creatine are both necessary for anyone that wants to be able to workout hard several days a week and not experience fatigue. The only thing with creatine is to learn to use it correctly. Week one is a loading up phase which is 4 servings a day, next 3 weeks is maintenance phase which is 2 servings per day pre and post workout, and the 4th sometimes 5th weeks are a cycle off phase that lets your body take over the production of Creatine again. I got fantastic results using it that way and combining it with the use of Whey protein. I really wasn't looking to gain a lot of weight I just wanted to increase my maxes and Creatine allowed me to work out longer and harder then I could without it. Beyond that just eat, eat, eat but learn to eat clean. Chicken breast, fish, broccoli, brown rice, green beans and fruit should be 90% of your diet. 5-6 smaller meals a day.

 

[milehighassassin]

Creatine is a bad idea. Similar to steroids, you are taking a substance that your body makes on its own and stuffing it into the system. This means when you are taking it you are killing the cells that make it as they sense it and no longer need to do their business. So, when you stop taking it, the body is not set-up to take over that role. And may never recover the ability to. Not to mention the possibility for kidney and liver damage and nasty side effects when used with common things like caffeine and NSAIDS (think Aleve/Tylenol). Think of it as a snake oil cure all for people looking for anything to make the building process easier. Oh, and if you decide to continue on into college, NCAA rules state that it is a punishable offense to provide creatine to an athlete. Just food for thought. Might be the same in high school.

IN CASE ANYONE WANTS TO READ ABOUT BIOCHEMISTRY:
Creatine is an energy substance, converted into creatine phosphate or phosphocreatine and stored in the muscles, where it is used for energy. When doing high-intensity, short-duration exercise, such as lifting weights or sprinting, phosphocreatine is converted into ATP, a major source of energy within the human body. Studies that have shown results hypothesize that if you have low stores naturally, you may have some useful response. But in every single stinking study they note that there is no reliable way to predict who it will help, hurt, or completely not effect.

This might not go over well on here, and I hope no one does this but there are some steroids that are perfectly safe to use while under a doctor's care. There are many steroids that do work, but long term use of them is hard on the body. If you are having blood work done they are perfectly safe to use.

The same goes with HGH. HGH, is actually an amazing drug. I honestly have no idea why it is not used more frequently to allow people to recover from injury. HGH is also natural but your body stops producing it as you get older (doesn't really stop, it reduces it). HGH actually PROMOTES growth. This is how cells recover faster when people take it. Muscles heal faster, a person would recover from surgery faster, etc, etc. The biggest concern with HGH is that it does promote growth and that is the growth of ANY cell in your body. What is bad about this is if you have any form of CANCER cell in your body, it will rapidly spread. Again, if you are under doctor's care and are not a high cancer risk, then there is nothing to worry about. If you are high risk, or have a growth of cells in your body, it is going to kill you.

HGH has been used for a long time to speed the recovery.

Compare HGH to say cortisone which will actually destroy the tissue it is exposed to. This is the reason a doctor will want to limit how many cortisone shots you are given. It basically rots things out.

 

[Scott]

If a coach is telling you to take creatine.....I'd be concerned about that coach.

Shame on that coach.
Is he the head coach? A school employee/staff member? Or is his main job outside of the school system? How long has he been a coach?

Seriously.



Does the state of Nebraska have a certification process for their coaches? In Montana we all must pass a course to be certified to coach in the school system. Part of that course addresses training, nutrition and supplements. It sounds like this coach needs to take that course.

 

[treemagnet03]

FYI Milehigh: I am a medical student with a double major in chemistry and biochemistry and come from a family full of doctors. I know what I am talking about. Creatine is not an effective way to get the job done. Way too likely to cause problems. Also, stay away from steroids. The steroids that are given by a doctor are not recreational muscle building steroids. Steroids come in many flavors: for reducing inflammation, lowering likelihood of transplant rejection, increase muscle mass post surgery, etc. The list of side effects includes killing off the immune response due a complicated reaction chain that would take a long time to type out here. Few would read it.

Any doctor caught dealing any form of muscle enhancing drugs is likely to be stripped of their license to practice medicine. Straight malpractice, never again to be hired. I would love to know where you got your friendly docs advice on steroids. That way I can personally call the state licensing board and stop them abusing their privileges.

 

[tudizzle]

My brother took creatine supplements 20 years ago trying to bulk up.


he did....but now is extremely allergic to creatine and anything with red meat or meat byproducts in it.

 

[xrated]

FYI Milehigh: I am a medical student with a double major in chemistry and biochemistry and come from a family full of doctors. I know what I am talking about.

Hey homey, take some advice and fix that chip on your shoulder...you are a med student, you may know how the body and processes work but you don't know chit yet.

Not saying what you said about creatine was all wrong. I'm just giving ya some friendly advice from a guy who works with lots of "double major" "dad was a doctor, uncle was too" "P.H.D, MD" and "medical student" types who exhibit on a daily basis that they don't know chit. But thankfully some end up learning and I hope you do as well.

 

[X2Freeride]

DO NOT HALF KILL YOURSELF FOR HIGH SCHOOL SPORTS!

I know too many people, myself included, that half killed themselves for high school sports. In my case it was football. We went to the state championship 3-4 years I was in high school... You know what I got out of that... Some damn plaques, bad knee's, dislocated fingers that are well on their way to arthritis and some worthless memories with people that 10 years later dont matter to me in the least and I haven't seen or talked to in 5 years.

If you want to get in shape do it the right way, diet and exercise to build LEAN muscle... But diet the RIGHT way dont starve yourself half to death by not eating to make some stupid weight class just because your coach thinks you have a better chance to win there...

 

[milehighassassin]

FYI Milehigh: I am a medical student with a double major in chemistry and biochemistry and come from a family full of doctors. I know what I am talking about. Creatine is not an effective way to get the job done. Way too likely to cause problems. Also, stay away from steroids. The steroids that are given by a doctor are not recreational muscle building steroids. Steroids come in many flavors: for reducing inflammation, lowering likelihood of transplant rejection, increase muscle mass post surgery, etc. The list of side effects includes killing off the immune response due a complicated reaction chain that would take a long time to type out here. Few would read it.

Any doctor caught dealing any form of muscle enhancing drugs is likely to be stripped of their license to practice medicine. Straight malpractice, never again to be hired. I would love to know where you got your friendly docs advice on steroids. That way I can personally call the state licensing board and stop them abusing their privileges.

I have not used steroid and do not plan on it. But there is lots of peer reviewed information proving that steroids when used properly under doctor's care will help with maintaining and building of muscle. Steroids are used legally for many patients who are injured and are needing to build muscle mass. The problem arises when it is abused and used wrong. There is an entire league of baseball players that will agree with that.

About creatine, it does work and it works well, if.....
USED PROPERLY.

It is not a miracle pill, it is a GREAT TOOL for somone that is already maxing out their workout and cannot add mass.

 

[milehighassassin]

My brother took creatine supplements 20 years ago trying to bulk up.


he did....but now is extremely allergic to creatine and anything with red meat or meat byproducts in it.

So it wasn't for your brother. My step-father is allergic to bananas, does that mean that no one should eat bananas?


BTW, bananas are like the perfect food. You can probably live off of bananas and water alone!

 

[treemagnet03]

Sweet. This is getting to be like an argument about vaccines. I guess like all things, in the end it is up to each individual what you want to put into your own 'temple.' You get one shot, do with it what you will.

Xrated-no chip. I gladly admit there are many things I want nothing to do with. Things like urology. Nothing to prove to anyone on this site either. If you ever meet me in the hills I carry a big medical kit for use on anyone that needs it. Including nitro for the older generation. I just felt that with the amount of personal interest I held in this topic at one point in my own athletic career, I wasn't completely unqualified to discuss it. Peace?

Onward to useful discussions of incoming snow..........

 

[milehighassassin]

So you carry a medical kit with Nitro on it as a medical STUDENT? You don't need a medical director to administer that? Or are you squibbing by on those laws as well?

 

[treemagnet03]

All legal and above board. Guess my feelings regarding legality of medical prescribing were not clear above?

Back. To. Topic. Seriously.

 

[milehighassassin]

Just confused, you say you are a medical student yet you are carrying Nitro around, something that requires you to be a doctor, or prescribe under the direction of a medical director. Not buying it, sorry. I was an EMT in Colorado for 8 years, and your story doesn't make any sense.

 

[treemagnet03]

Mile high in the head. I pm'd you to clear up what my feelings were on this and why it was legal. Carrying nitro is not illegal. Nurses...with less training than I have....give it! It is to be given under orders. In my case, ordered by other docs in my riding group that----goasp-----might require me to radio them without time for them to get to where I am. I have given and monitored nitro in more than one emergency room. Have you ever been to a busy university level 1 trauma center? It is lowly folks like myself that do a lot of the work in the dead middle of the night. Good Lord in Heaven. Grow a pair, and if you have a problem with me be man enough to pm back. Don't drag your $);$&&$(() attitude issues here so everyone else has to read this crap.

We now return to our regularly scheduled program.

 

[milehighassassin]

Carrying it is not illegal, you are right. Giving it to someone to take is illegal without being under the direction of a medical director (Doctor). I've worked in several trauma centers as well as in an ambulance.


Edit... I have no PM from you.

 

[Scott]

How many people will go as Zombie Steve jobs for Halloween?

Hey, that's a good idea.

I had a buddy who dresed up as Payne Stuart for Halloween in 1999, only 6 days after Stuart died. A little too soon? Maybe, but he fared well at the Halloween Party in his nickers.

 

[sevenhundo]

Not to take sides but emts cant give chit to anyone anymore...Right? Maybe im in a small town but some people that are in the medical field do have a chance at things that others dont. He could possibly be there to save your life one day. Oh by the way my dads been an EMT for 24 years. But anyways we are talking about creatine and if the guy should take it or not. I grew up in a class of a bunch of wrestlers that took creatine i never did cause i was happy with my performance. The people that did didnt win anymore or lose anymore.
I actually talked to my brother today which he was a wrestler won state a few times said he would never take that chit again gave him problens to include not pooing right, bloading, and being irriatable. Exercise and eating HEALTHY is the best way to go. And lots of practice

 

[milehighassassin]

It depends on the state. In some small town with a volunteer department they can't give out drugs because they don't have a medical director. You technically are not prescribing anything, you are assisting them in taking their own drugs. You do carry a few things.

 

[sevenhundo]

He doesnt work for a volenteer dept. No narcotics or any kind of medication because they dont know their medical history is what i understood. But i am NOT a medical proffesional at all so my advice is useless im just stating stuff i have heard. My wife has been a nurse for years also. But I AM not sure of the facts because i have had a FEWWWW beers. I just like to argue. But the facts of the people taking creatine i can back up!!!