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[cadmo]

So again wow.

First I would have never sold you a 6000 turbo for 1750 if I would have known it was damaged.

I told you up front to send it back I would get you you money-back but it might take me a little bit to do so since I just spent a month at the hospital.


I should have lied??

I offered to replace the center cartridge mainly because I could swing that easier.

Anyway trash me you know what I tried and you was a Dick. So at thus point you can trash me I would guess so far you have done at least 2000 in damage were even .


Thanks for the guys that know me and said something.


It's peps like this why I shut my doors.

Well up front over the phone you told me that you wouldn’t have the money for a long time and made no mention of some kind of half now half later deal. You only said you could do the centre section. But that is all hearsay to everyone else seeing it was only you and I on the call.

All I ever wanted was too return it but when you don’t return emails and calls and then offer less than a full refund on Paypal what do you expect me to do?

I regards to trashing you I’ve never used any slander or called anyone any names as you are now starting. I’ve always been professional, concise and everything I’ve said has been backed up by facts.

Maybe your true colours are coming through as you claim im the "Dick" and by telling others what happened to myself, im slandering you?

You closing your doors is maybe an indication of your true business professionalism, not some guy sticking up for himself and you not liking what happened out for everyone to read about ????

 

[cadmo]

well i know when ever i bought a vehicle in an auction i ALWAYS was prepared to put an engine or tranny into it..it was just a safe guard i would work in when bidding..

i know dick all about turbo's..but i have looked at a few second hand,and the last one i was looking at was a 2500.00 unit...if i was going to pursue it i was going to offer 2grand and prepare myself for another possible min a thousand if needed.That is the only way i safely do purchases.

Selling on the internet,well i have sold to a few on this site and i always state my price i want...i always have sent it BEFORE any payment because I KNOW WHAT IM SELLING IS AS STATED...and the good people i have dealt with have always been happy to send the money after having the added luxury of having looked first hand at it.

In this situation...a 6500 turbo for 1750...i would have put a couple grand in the cookie jar just because i would have felt it might still be needed and the purchases still decent overall...but that is just the way i do it..

I don;t know turbo;s that well on sleds...i know what abuse they take and the tolerances they can handle in heavy equipment...i know this turbo has impeller issues, but really is pitting on a housing really that detrimental..??

anyway..i do feel for both parties..but i tell ya a person has to do all he can privately first before going public because i do have to agree with mmsports that the possibility that the publicity has a potential impact is a warrented legitimate concern for lost earnings...

the whole issue sucks..if the communications were reviewed before hand by the powers to be on this site im certain the recommendation would have been to not start this thread at this time...and as well saved some issues becoming further apart because of the thread..

So maybe the powers to be of this site should look at this thread..maybe something positive come of it ????

So where in the ad was it an auction??? Where did it say as is?

Were there any lights in the ad where it was green -a certified car, yellow -has issues, or red - wreck?

As I’ve stated before in other posts what i paid for the turbo is irrelevant. 10 bucks or 10 grand, what matters is what condition it was sold as.

FYI the kit is not complete even if it wasn’t damaged; it still requires exhaust modification and gauges, which would put my cost at about $3000 without any repairs.

You can buy a brand new kit from a turbo company i won’t mention for $4500, when that is put into perspective the "amazing deal" turns out to a fair price. If i knew that it was damaged i never ever would have considered it as the repairs (centre section and turbine housing) put it at the price if a brand new kit.

Besides my business schooling I’ve also apprenticed as a diesel tech, you’re mentioning about turbo’s and diesel's and the turbine housing with pitting being that detrimental, insinuation you seem to think it’s fine. I’ve taken it to a Garret turbo shop and they say it needs mayor repair. Are you an authorized Garret repair shop? I doubt it so your thoughts are invalid on the turbo condition.

 

[m8magicandmystery]

there was question marks on my question of the pitting of the housing...that means i was seeking answers and clarification of just what these sled turbo;s can get away with....the opposite of what you are indicating was my intention..

My diesel experience is several years ago...although i was likely one of the youngest in Canada to recieve interprovincial certification ..(20 years old)..and back then the turbo;s had some room to spare...the last 30 years have been operating and opening businesses so i do not feel somewhat overwhelmed by your limited apprenticeship and schooling..

Just a heads up..them Garret boys have mouths to feed..but nonetheless i do wish ya the best..!!

 

[Himark]

Facts...he bought a used part

Facts...buyer contacted seller

Facts....Seller agreed to just refund

Facts...Buyer rejects refund offered.

Facts...buyer crys foul and drags guy through the mud.

Fact...Seller says your refund is out the window now that you dragged me through the mud.

Fact...Buyer now is crying cause he screwed up his own refund.

Am I missing something???

Are these facts all correct??

Cause if they are I dont care of the details of the transaction or the bearing this or pit that.. Shut up and take your medicine here boys.

*as a seller I would of been tempted to do the same thing after I offered a olive branch and the buyer rejected.

 

[cadmo]

Fact: For the record I’ve never received a full money refund offer over the phone after emails started going back and forth.

There is nothing more id like than to return it still for a full refund. Why wouldn’t I have in the first place?

Everyone says Kevin is such a stand up guy about making it right, do you not think id like to say that as well about this situation? All the BS is time consuming and tiring.

Id love to get a full refund of $1950 (turbo and shipping to me) and ill eat the shipping back and turbo inspection cost) As if it was an honest mistake oh well sh!t happens. I just want it over with, let everyone know things were made right and delete the dam thread, but that’s up to Kevin.

 

[D-rail]

If you can't use it, send it back.

The guy will "salvage" his rep if he refunds the $$.

 

[WyoBoy1000]

That's fine.

It's not like I told u to stick it in you butt. I did tell you as Is. I want make this right. I personally do not do pay pal so I will have my wife look into what we need to do. The turbo can note that bad or I would have been able to see it. If it is damaged it must be very minimal . Any way the only reason I sold it so cheap was I needed the money to cover bills .

So do not freek if it takes me a couple of days to respond.

Did he or did he not state, as is

Just what did you get for the money, Full kit, turbo only, ???

How much is the repair?

He said "send it back for a full refund" the one thing you never tried. I have yet to hear any complaints about MM. I would have trusted him on that and I would have asked at that point how much can you get now and how long will it take to get it the full amount. Remember I am also assuming this was a as is purchase so you should be kissing his azz hoping for anything.
Now if you sent it and no response after a bit then you would be justified in my opinion. But you lost that option.

But maybe not, although I can say if I told you as is and you did this to me after that kind of offer. I tell you to shove it also.

I can also remember many ppl including myself giving you lots of advise over the years. I guess we better stop so when something doesn't work you don't slam us eh.

 

[polaris dude]

errm... Are you guys intentionally misunderstanding cadmo or what? He obviously would like his money back before he sends it back or at least that is how I am seeing it, and since he has yet to get his $$ he isn't sending it back.

 

[newmy1]

Shocker this Diptard seller again. This is not the only thread in him screwing people.


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[WyoBoy1000]

errm... Are you guys intentionally misunderstanding cadmo or what? He obviously would like his money back before he sends it back or at least that is how I am seeing it, and since he has yet to get his $$ he isn't sending it back.

I would never refund anything without having it in my hands, thats just business. The easiest place in the world to return something has to be walmart, so go in there buy something. Take it to your car then go say I want my money back and I will bring it back once I have the money. WTF, pretty simple.

I once had a guy (not local) try and return something and said the same thing, I said no, you bring it and I will refund. So he brought it (said he was driving through) all in a hurry to get refunded, I made him wait while I inspected it and he had f'd it up. I told him to get lost. He said all the bs about suing me, blah blah blah. Then I showed him the before pics I had, and it was more than obvious he f'd it up. He got a pretty dumb look on his face cursed a few times took the part, threatened some more and I never heard from him again. If I would have just sent him the money like he asked, I would have been screwed. I don't think this is the same but its simple business.

 

[knuts82]

Who cares if it was as-is. Kevin plain and simple screwed this guy. If he is this great person and knows his stuff then he knew it was already damaged. Ive met Kevin in person at Haydays a few years back and now I can see I wasn't wrong thinking hes possibly a cheating prick the way he was talking out their. Anyone who thinks Kevin is in the right in anyway I have some Ocean front property for sale in North Dakota ill make you a deal on. WoW Im ready to be flamed now. Good day

 

[cadmo]

At no time on email or the phone and even on the Paypal invoice did or does it say AS-IS.

At the very start the turbo was not returned because a full money return was not offered. So what is the point in returning the turbo kit if we cannot come to an agreement beforehand? If I did return it then I would have no kit and return offer I was not happy with.

And now that it’s in Paypal resolution they have instructed me not to send it back until they come up with a decision.

 

[WyoBoy1000]

At no time on email or the phone and even on the Paypal invoice did or does it say AS-IS.

At the very start the turbo was not returned because a full money return was not offered. So what is the point in returning the turbo kit if we cannot come to an agreement beforehand? If I did return it then I would have no kit and return offer I was not happy with.

And now that it’s in Paypal resolution they have instructed me not to send it back until they come up with a decision.

I'm just going off of what was in your first post, and it does say that if you returned it he would refund the money. Is that correct or not.

 

[m8magicandmystery]

the only way we are going to see if a crooked stick is straight is to lay a straight stick besides it.....

who has a straight stick...???

 

[backcountryislife]

errm... Are you guys intentionally misunderstanding cadmo or what? He obviously would like his money back before he sends it back or at least that is how I am seeing it, and since he has yet to get his $$ he isn't sending it back.

Are people misunderstanding logic? You won't get a refund without sending it back... simple reality.

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[IDspud]

Where does a person get their money back before they have to return the product?

Several examples have been given of return the product, get the money. I have never seen it the other way around.

Kevin has told Cadmo to return it for full refund.

Cadmo is sitting on the Turbo, I have never seen this protocol in a refund.

 

[cb2honk]

I would not have sent it back either. The seller was obviously not good financially and was offering to give a full refund but said he couldn't swing it all at the time. THAT'S BS! I understand the hospital thing, that really does suck, I have kids and understand. But, I still would have to go to work as badly as it would kill me to not be there every minute my child was in the hospital. Besides, work/running ur business is what pays the bills.

Cadmo,
I would of done it the exact way you are doing it. You did not have that warm fuzzy feeling about dealing with this guy. You and him are the only ones who know what was said over the phone, but it sounds to me like you are not in the wrong here. It just sounds like he has alot of friends on here. Hope everything works out.

 

[WyoBoy1000]

It just sounds like he has alot of friends on here. Hope everything works out.

Wonder why that is,

Cadmo, if you paid full price and it was supposed to be new this would be different, then if the guy said he would get the money when he could over time. I would have still sent it back then got the money through paypal. Pretty simple. No need to bash on here other than state what happened after it was over with, simple and done. I don't care who you are and every single person that is actually in business knows you don't refund the money unless you get the item back.
But the fact is you bought USED, it was CHEAP and now you think you have rights as if new. Not to say you don't have rights, but it is different and should be dealt with different. If you would have sent it back and started the paypal process it would be done by now and over with.

 

[cb2honk]

THE GUY CLEARLY DIDN'T HAVE ANY MONEY! Basically Cadmo bought this POS and loaned this guy a couple grand to get some chit paid for. The guy knew it was junk, sold it for the money he obviously needed desperately, probably expecting it to be returned and he could just give a refund in multiple payments as he got the money. Cadmo was told it had like 75 miles on it, to me that is NEAR NEW.

 

[Matte Murder]

Wyo have you looked at the pic of the turbo? It was mis-represented in the ad. He never offered a full refund, at best it was a refund after he could come up with the funds. Seems pretty cut and dried. Cadmo your only real option is to send it back and wait for the money. He is not going to send you your money up front. Get ready for a long wait. You have been screwed, just don't know how bad until it's all over. Guy is out of business, he has nothing to lose but his honor and not sure he cares about that right now.