W.L. Gore (Gore-Tex) Does support greenies.

[phatty]

That's a good point Sawyer, Gortex pays for 100% of Klims addvertising budget, getting snowmobiliers to by Klim products so they can support the Greenies. Now that's ironic. How about we all support HMK for a while. I think they have some great products and I know the owner, Kirk, supports us!

Wow... You must like conspirocy theorys.

Look, I like Kirk, I like HMK. I think they do great things for the industry. And this post in no way is to belittle Kirk or his company. But if you want to start comparing apples to apples, which company belongs to and donates to the Blue Ribbon Coalition? Here is a little hint... you wont find HMK on their list...

Also Justin owner of Klim supports sledding as do all their employees.

Now let the end user decide where to spend their money and this topic can just die...

 

[Snoman69]

Not being a smartass but how does Klim support us? We support Klim

That's a good point Sawyer, Gortex pays for 100% of Klims addvertising budget, getting snowmobiliers to by Klim products so they can support the Greenies. Now that's ironic. How about we all support HMK for a while. I think they have some great products and I know the owner, Kirk, supports us!

You guys crack me up..... You pull crap out of thin air.....

Klim supports our sport more then anyone of you individually, and probably more then any 50 of us combined. I know they regularly support the industry through donations for BRC, SAWS, and numerous S&R groups....

They have been the number one supporter for our forum rides since my involvment (since 04).....

As others have said, if you are boycotting anyone who supports the green movement, park you vehicles, turn off your pc's, & pack away you PS3's and LCD TVS. Probably get rid of your sleds as well. I would be willing to bet that the big three in one way or another support the green movement... Supporting the green movement does not necessarily mean closing our riding areas.

 

[happylilcuss]

ToBe what is your response to the "tired of 2 stroke" ad?? Does your company advertise against snowmobiling to other sports? I am thinking about buying your gear. However this really troubles me. It seems like maybe you are here pushing your product and in magazines for skiiers and snowboarders saying that snowmobilers are bad.. Whats your response? Just curious cause I am about to buy some of your products.

 

[Spur]

Why not,

Nobody could stay in business with a 35% failure rate.

Sure you could, companies do it all the time. All you have to do is limit your warranty and price accordingly. Almost all waterproof breathable fabric's work relatively well for about a year.

Klim wanted to build gear that they could warranty for the life of the product. They did the research to see who could help them accomplish this and guess what they discovered???? Gore-Tex could and would, but it came at a price. To use Gore-Tex required they get their gear manufactured at a Gore approved factory with Gore approved equipment. Gore does not have a factory in the USA that was capable of producing the quality or quantity that Klim demanded. Thus they had to go to China. Unfortunately, because of labor costs there are no clothing factories in the USA that are big enough to produce the amount of gear Klim sells world wide. The other draw back was cost. Klim believed there was a market that understood that you get what you pay for and would be willing to pay the higher price to get the better quality. Not everyone should or can afford to buy Klim. My guess would be that's one of the reasons they don't build their stuff to attract the younger generations. ( that's not a dig, just a fact of life in most situations ) I don't want to wear baggy pants with a skull on the chest. On the other hand if my son who is a sophomore in college showed up with a new Klim outfit on I would be pretty disappointed in him because I know he can't afford Klim right now. Hopefully he will make good decisions so the day will come he can afford to buy Klim. Right now I hope he buys stuff that costs 1/3 of what Klim costs, and it probably will be baggy and covered with some weird logo, and will fit right in with his age group and spending ability.

 

[-Alticity Films-]

ToBe what is your response to the "tired of 2 stroke" ad?? Does your company advertise against snowmobiling to other sports? I am thinking about buying your gear. However this really troubles me. It seems like maybe you are here pushing your product and in magazines for skiiers and snowboarders saying that snowmobilers are bad.. Whats your response? Just curious cause I am about to buy some of your products.

Good question.
That was a pretty stupid statement to print in their own TOBE magazine. But the way it was posted in this thread allows it to be taken out of context. That was printed in TOBE's own SNOWMOBILE magazine. All you have to do is pick up a copy of the magazine or Alticity 4,5, 6, or 7 to know that TOBE is a sledding based company. The owner of TOBE, Tomas Berntsson is one helluva rider and he really puts the gear to its test and he is a featured rider in each of those videos.
Also TOBE has one website. www.tobetechnology.com and the site is plastered with snowmobiling. You won't find much ski/snowboard on there. Yes most TOBE employees ski or snowboard but we are sledders first. Also in Scandinavia, the clothing is sold in many ski/board shops but 90% of TOBE's shops are sled shops.

I guess the tired of 2 stroke text (it was not an ad) in their own magazine was a very bad judgement call. They were trying to show that the gear is multi sport clothing and picked poor wording to do so.
So rest assured TOBE is a sledding company. As a distributor, I donate cash and merchandise to MANY sled clubs and associations and raffles. The closest thing I do to being a "greenie" is recycling beer cans and soda bottles.

BTW TOBE doesn't advertise in any magazines other than sledding mags.

 

[doors4u]

It's funny that most of the people who own Klim have never tried on anything else. Does that mean that it is the best clothing out there? No, it just means it works best for those people. Kudos to the people who do their reaserch and don't buy into the marketing Kool Aid of these clothing companies. I too have been around many different brands of clothing and none have impressed me as much as TOBE. People that think everything of theirs is the best and everything else is ****e drive me up a wall. Narrow minded people are exactly what is wrong with this socialist counrtry. Rant over.

 

[x-guy]

It's funny that most of the people who own Klim have never tried on anything else. Does that mean that it is the best clothing out there? No, it just means it works best for those people. Kudos to the people who do their reaserch and don't buy into the marketing Kool Aid of these clothing companies. I too have been around many different brands of clothing and none have impressed me as much as TOBE. People that think everything of theirs is the best and everything else is ****e drive me up a wall. Narrow minded people are exactly what is wrong with this socialist counrtry. Rant over.

So where do you get this incredibly important information that most people that own Klim have never tried on anything else? I am curious as to where you got this data from? please do tell.... because I certainly, as well as everyone else I know who wears the gear, certainly does not fall into this catagory. Have I tried everything? no, I would go broke doing so, but I have definetly tried my share of clothing before discovering Klim. Kudos to those that don't throw idiot baseless statements out there!

 

[thefullmonte]

ToBe what is your response to the "tired of 2 stroke" ad?? Does your company advertise against snowmobiling to other sports? I am thinking about buying your gear. However this really troubles me. It seems like maybe you are here pushing your product and in magazines for skiiers and snowboarders saying that snowmobilers are bad.. Whats your response? Just curious cause I am about to buy some of your products.

I never posted that to try and say that ToBe is a bunch of tree huggers. They have influence from the ski industry. So what? They make a good product. Why is it so hard for so many of you to accept that not every skier or snowboarder is a bad guy who's only goal in life is to shut down our riding areas? I was only trying to say that us as snowmobilers have more in common with those industries than most of you care to acknowledge.
I'm finding it hard to believe this thread is still alive. If you read carefully, pretty much every thought and point of view has been covered. Everybody in the World is supporting the green movement. And why wouldn't you? Protecting the environment doesn't always mean that those organizations are trying to shut down every riding area across the globe.
I'm not trying to pick on anyone with these comments, but please go back and read this entire thread. Many many people have tried numerous brands of gear resulting in large amounts of wasted $$$. (myself included )Many of these people have ended up with Klim and suddenly been happier riding than they have ever been before. On the other side of the coin, some have tried other brands like ToBe and been impressed. In the end, does it really matter what brand you are wearing if it works for YOU?
Peace everyone, here's one for all of you
Monte

 

[doors4u]

So where do you get this incredibly important information that most people that own Klim have never tried on anything else? I am curious as to where you got this data from? please do tell.... because I certainly, as well as everyone else I know who wears the gear, certainly does not fall into this catagory. Have I tried everything? no, I would go broke doing so, but I have definetly tried my share of clothing before discovering Klim. Kudos to those that don't throw idiot baseless statements out there!

Let me guess. You owned Snorider gear before your Klim? And your sleds faster than mine, your pickups cooler than mine, and you have a bigger house. Thanks for proving my point. I'm so glad you know all about me now. Maybe we can be BFFs? Klim Kool Aid anyone? Time for the old avatar.

 

[I-500]

That is EXACTLY how TOBE's membrane works and it is not Gore-Tex. There is a thriving competitive market for Waterproof membranes. If you only want to wear Gore-Tex that is fine, but it must be known that their are other membranes that work on the exact same principles. You have a choice in high end SNOWMOBILE gear now.

Not if you want a lifetime warranty against leakage. Yes, there are other membrane alternatives BUT you were not paying attention, my point is that there is much more to making these products than just the membrane. Good luck.

PS. Get back to me when ToBE offers a full line of sled clothing.....just spent some time on the site.

no gloves, bibs, boots, baselayer, balaclava's, women's etc.....not to mention who in the world over 30 would wear stuff that looks like it came from Burton. I am sure it is quality gear but ToBe is obviously a crossover product trying to appeal to a wider audience than just boarders...Klim is sled clothing period.

 

[Why Not]

It's funny that most of the people who own Klim have never tried on anything else. Does that mean that it is the best clothing out there? No, it just means it works best for those people. Kudos to the people who do their reaserch and don't buy into the marketing Kool Aid of these clothing companies. I too have been around many different brands of clothing and none have impressed me as much as TOBE. People that think everything of theirs is the best and everything else is ****e drive me up a wall. Narrow minded people are exactly what is wrong with this socialist counrtry. Rant over.

Wrong, most of the people who buy Klim have already tried the cheap stuff.

Is there another snowmobile clothing manufacture out there that has a lifetime warranty on their product?

 

[oregunrmk]

It's funny that most of the people who own Klim have never tried on anything else. Does that mean that it is the best clothing out there? No, it just means it works best for those people. Kudos to the people who do their reaserch and don't buy into the marketing Kool Aid of these clothing companies. I too have been around many different brands of clothing and none have impressed me as much as TOBE. People that think everything of theirs is the best and everything else is ****e drive me up a wall. Narrow minded people are exactly what is wrong with this socialist counrtry. Rant over.

What an ignorant statment.
I had Scott bibs, Altimate boots,Sorrel boots, Polaris and Columbia jackets. I had no idea you could actually stay dry.I was impressed with Klim the first day I tried it. First time ever that I was not soaked after riding, and your right the tobe helmet is almost free.BTW if the Tobe helmet was offered in black this year, I would have bought one.

 

[phatty]

Not if you want a lifetime warranty against leakage. Yes, there are other membrane alternatives BUT you were not paying attention, my point is that there is much more to making these products than just the membrane. Good luck.

PS. Get back to me when ToBE offers a full line of sled clothing.....just spent some time on the site.

no gloves, bibs, boots, baselayer, balaclava's, women's etc.....not to mention who in the world over 30 would wear stuff that looks like it came from Burton. I am sure it is quality gear but ToBe is obviously a crossover product trying to appeal to a wider audience than just boarders...Klim is sled clothing period.

I personally think ToBe has good style myself, but yea im only 29 ...
Plus i know Josh would do everything he could to keep his customers happy, stand up dude for sure...

Can this thread die yet?

 

[BigRed118]

It is funny to me how this thread started as a statement about Gore-Tex. It has been twisted around to be an attack/defend thread on Klim. I will state this again because it has probably been lost in this thread. Without bringing points like this up, nothing changes. Maybe when this thread is over, Gore-Tex will understand that we could use there support also.

 

[x-guy]

Let me guess. You owned Snorider gear before your Klim? And your sleds faster than mine, your pickups cooler than mine, and you have a bigger house. Thanks for proving my point. I'm so glad you know all about me now. Maybe we can be BFFs? Klim Kool Aid anyone? Time for the old avatar.

what point? that your an ignorant moron? no problem. I fail to see where you are proving me wrong here. Where did I say anything about knowing you? I dont want to know you, nor would I make any assumptions about your character, you prove that yourself enough! Point is you made a stupid statement with absolutely no proof, so I am asking you again, back it up, or shut your mouth.... I am waiting

I think this thread is done, I for one am happy about the awareness this thread has given me about clothing industries being involved with the greens.

 

[Snoman69]

I personally think ToBe has good style myself, but yea im only 29 ...
Plus i know Josh would do everything he could to keep his customers happy, stand up dude for sure...

Can this thread die yet?

You're just a young punk

Josh is a great guy, and ToBe is a great product....

Give it up people..... THe bottom line is there are numerous great products out there, Klim, ToBe, HMK, Scott/Reima.... Wear what you want, jeeeesh

We need snow badly...

 

[doors4u]

The whole point to my first post was to shed light on the fact that people need to look at all the facts before they purchase clothing. Instead the fall into themarketing traps of all these companies. Just because a company spends a ton of money on marketing doesn't make it the best product for everyone. People tend to read into a post and distort what the original post was even talking about. The point I was making is that Klim headquarters are 10 miles up the road from where I live. Most of the people around here buy it because it is all they know. They buy it because their buddy wears it not because they did any research on it. Support the sport and know what you are buying and who you are buying it from.

 

[Snoman69]

The whole point to my first post was to shed light on the fact that people need to look at all the facts before they purchase clothing. Instead the fall into themarketing traps of all these companies. Just because a company spends a ton of money on marketing doesn't make it the best product for everyone. People tend to read into a post and distort what the original post was even talking about. The point I was making is that Klim headquarters are 10 miles up the road from where I live. Most of the people around here buy it because it is all they know. They buy it because their buddy wears it not because they did any research on it. Support the sport and know what you are buying and who you are buying it from.

Who Cares?

The beauty of america is people can make there own choices.... Doesn't matter how they were made, just that they were made.... Some people feel they don't need to research it because their bud already did... Others will research the h3ll out of it and go with what they think works for them.... Happens with everything, whether it be sled, electronics, vehicles, etc..

Bottom line is there are many choices for people to choose from.

 

[BigRed118]

I am going to go ahead and call this thread.......1:15pm....dead......

 

[oregunrmk]

Hell Fellers, Id ride in my jockstrap at this point, cup in of course!