Pretty sure Klim supports Klim they will sell there stuff to whoever pays the bills.If sledding becomes extinct they will sell there clothing to hikers.They will always have a market we might not always have a place to ride.
W.L. Gore (Gore-Tex) Does support greenies.
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Thats funny. I own/use an iMac. haha, not because I knew Microsoft supports Sierra but still good to know. I will have to start weening myself from google though. That's gonna be tough...
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I was at Bob's the other day looking for Reima gloves and could'nt find any. I must not have looked under the dust! I bought some FXR's but they don't look as tough as the Reima were. As far as gore goes, they like most other large companys support a lot of groups I don't agree with but it is pretty much impossible to take care of our daily needs without buying from them. I won't buy anything that I know is made by Levie because of their support for greenies and gays.
If you all start boycotting the companies that in any little way support green causes you might as well:
1. Turn off your CPU right now and NEVER start it again.
2. Turn off your TV and NEVER power it up again.
3. Sell your Ford, Lincoln, Mercury, Toyota, Chevy, GM, etc. etc car you drive and start walking.
4. Never travel again. Stay home.
There, now that you are not supporting anymore companies that support green causes guess what you are now: A greenie!!!
This is meant tongue in cheek, but much truth in #1-4. . .
JIM
1. Turn off your CPU right now and NEVER start it again.
2. Turn off your TV and NEVER power it up again.
3. Sell your Ford, Lincoln, Mercury, Toyota, Chevy, GM, etc. etc car you drive and start walking.
4. Never travel again. Stay home.
There, now that you are not supporting anymore companies that support green causes guess what you are now: A greenie!!!
This is meant tongue in cheek, but much truth in #1-4. . .
JIM
Klim uses Gore Tex in their products... so anyone that buys Klim is indirectly supporting Gore-Tex.
Again, you are going to be extremely hard pressed to avoid it.
Again, you are going to be extremely hard pressed to avoid it.
Fat Tire beer.... damn it. I love that stuff.
watch for that new belgium brewing co label on what you buy next. no use in dropping fat tire for another one of their beers.
Please show me where I said GORE does not support greenies. I believe if you take a look I said Klim does not support greenies. If you need to have the difference explained to you send me a private message so we don't waste the time of those on here with intelligence.
Klim does support this site, Polaris, Ski Doo, Artic Cat, Yamaha, and more companies making snowmobile equipment then any clothing company out there.
This thread is based on jealousy and irrational thinking. BTW, are you making a statement that you will not use any product produced if you find out that it has a supplier that supports a green agenda. If so I'll do a little homework of my own and see if I can enhance your life.
Jim, good post.
Stupid thread! Gore donates money to lots of different agenda’s because their product gets use by a lot of different user groups. I have ridden with Gore reps, they also donate a lot of money to support snowmobiling.
What I’m wondering is if Gore sells its product to user groups that support a green agenda,( pretty much proven to be the dumbest people on the planet) but evidently they’re smart enough to use Gore Tex why aren’t you?
What I’m wondering is if Gore sells its product to user groups that support a green agenda,( pretty much proven to be the dumbest people on the planet) but evidently they’re smart enough to use Gore Tex why aren’t you?
Klim donates product to a lot of the search and rescue organizations as well as supports their fundrasing efforts throughout the year. I am not certain of the snowmobile related causes that they support.
I am not excited about Gore supporting the greenies, but should we not buy beacons because they support green causes? What about Scott and Smith goggles? UnderArmor? I think that we have to use the best product available.
Sorry we don't carry much for Scott anymore. You need to look me up when you stop in.
Well, I'm almost afraid to bring this back up. Lets try not to dog one another. We all ride sleds, right?
Anyway, I did some legwork with a few of our vendors. Ok, "Gore-Tex supports the Sierra Club"? Come on guys. The mineral that
Gore-Tex is made from has to be mined out of the ground. Do you really
think they are going be greenies and hurt themselves? Gore has a long
list of customers in the Motorsports industry such as Aerostitch, Harley
Davidson, SIDI, etc. I just attended an Alpinestars seminar last week where they were introducing their new Gore-Tex gloves.
It is not unusual for snowmobile clothing companies have some kind of tie to the snowboard and Ski industry either directly or indirectly. There is a lot more money in those sports than ours. It is evident in the numerous resorts and the price of their gear. Many great product ideas and features originate from the ski or snowboard industry.
The owner of HMK previously worked for Heelside which is a company that sells snowboard boots. I would imagine the factory they use to produce their boots is not a snowmobile boot only factory. The influence is even evident in their designs.
TOBE also got their start in the snowboarding world and appear to
be ski enthusiast too. This is what we found in Red Sherpa magazine.
"Tired of two-stroke fumes and roaring engines the To Be
staff every year sets of to the Norwegain ski resort Stranda for some
deep powder skiing." Red Sherpa pg. 12 winter 2007 (see attached photo)
Scott even has a line of clothing that they sell to skiers, a line for
mountain bikes, and goggles that they sell to skiers and snowboarders. Spy and Dragon do as well.
For some of you I hope this helps ease your conscience. Much like we are often stereotyped as those "evil snowmobilers". We often mistakenly classify every skier and snowboarder as a "greenie". Even half my staff either skis or snowboards as well as rides dirtbikes and snowmobiles.
Cheers everyone.
I would love to hear of these groups that The Gore-Tex reps donate money to in our sport. Gore is a great product. There is no disputing that. What I have a problem with is that they alienate customers. They are a business. Why piss of some of your customers. It doesn't matter if we are a small part of what they do. It is like listening to actors talk about politics. Here is the main problem. As a group of enthusiest we rarely voice out opinion. When we do, we jump on one another. On another note. Jim, how much free Klim stuff do you get? Klim is a major player in our sport. I have not seen Sony, GMC, or my computer claiming to support sledding.
I would love to hear of these groups that The Gore-Tex reps donate money to in our sport. Gore is a great product. There is no disputing that. What I have a problem with is that they alienate customers. They are a business. Why piss of some of your customers. It doesn't matter if we are a small part of what they do. It is like listening to actors talk about politics. Here is the main problem. As a group of enthusiest we rarely voice out opinion. When we do, we jump on one another. On another note. Jim, how much free Klim stuff do you get? Klim is a major player in our sport. I have not seen Sony, GMC, or my computer claiming to support sledding.
Thats ridiculous man,
I drive in a Chevy to get to the hill, i use a sony camcorder on the hill, and i use the computer to email all sorts of work that has to be done with our Boondockers videos.
I routinely donate money/time to organizations, clubs, causes, whatever to keep land open for public OHV access. All that is possible because i use products that are openly "green"
Gore people are sledheads. They come out west snowmobiling all the time.
Sure Mr Gore may donate his own funds, or even some of his company funds to "green" groups but as stated, what big company doesnt?
The system is set up to get all sorts of tax write offs in business by donating to the green groups.
And the next person that says Klim does not support sledheads needs to be slapped
I have never said that Klim does not support sledding. Check my posts. This is an issue with Gore-Tex. Support Gore-Tex all you want. Don't complain when more of your land is closed to riding. We just lost a huge chunk up here.
Phatty, you can be pizzed at me if you want. If Gore-Tex(again not Klim) was worried about us, they would also donate to SAWS, and the Blue Ribbon Coalition. They would get the same tax breaks. There was a problem like this a while back with Camelbak. They are now a member of the Motorcycle Industry Council. Supporting more of there customer base. Maybe a little pressure from sledheads will help them to donate some of there money our direction to help us with our riding areas instead of the opposite.
the guy's son lives in my hometown and they are the biggest leaf lickers in the area! we had a cayote hunt and his wife put an obituary in the local paper for 5 yotes......3 months later during calving season (they also own an organic ranch) they were shooting the cayotes that were eating their organic calves......that really shows that leaf lickers are really a bunch or hypocrits!
Phatty, you can be pizzed at me if you want. If Gore-Tex(again not Klim) was worried about us, they would also donate to SAWS, and the Blue Ribbon Coalition. They would get the same tax breaks. There was a problem like this a while back with Camelbak. They are now a member of the Motorcycle Industry Council. Supporting more of there customer base. Maybe a little pressure from sledheads will help them to donate some of there money our direction to help us with our riding areas instead of the opposite.
number 1 im not pizzed at anyone. debate and discussion are part of problem solving.
number 2 Why dont you call the gore guys and try and talk them into donating to SAWS or BRC instead of the green groups? How do you know that the gore guys dont donate to these groups from their own personal funds?
number 3 Do you truly want gore to "Supporting more of there customer base." Cause i promise you that sledding is probably bottom on their list.
number 4 tax breaks for donations to SAWS and BRC will never be as profitable for a company as donating to a carbon credit, eco friendly, destroy our world green group. Thats the facts. I hate it as much as you do.
number 5 with a leftest president and a leftest congress i guarntee you that gore's small donations are going to be the least of OUR concerns. I think were going to see more riding closures in the next 4 years than we have in the last decade... and not even the law will stand in their way
From the SAWS website:
http://www.snowmobile-alliance.org/Supporters.html
It looks like Kim has donated at least $50 to SAWS as that was criteria for being listed as a supporter.
A couple things jump out at me when skimming the list of supporters:
1) where are the big four sled makers?
2) the corporate support is, in general, relatively small businesses in which sleds and sled related hardware is their primary business. i can't imagine any of these companies have the discretionary cash to support SAWS or any other advocacy group. this puts our cause at a significant disadvantage to the greenies...
Why would donations to SAWS and BRC be a less effective tax break than greenie organizations? Presumably they are all 501(c)3 non-profits? If SAWS and BRC are not, then they need to re-organize to become one.
J
http://www.snowmobile-alliance.org/Supporters.html
It looks like Kim has donated at least $50 to SAWS as that was criteria for being listed as a supporter.
A couple things jump out at me when skimming the list of supporters:
1) where are the big four sled makers?
2) the corporate support is, in general, relatively small businesses in which sleds and sled related hardware is their primary business. i can't imagine any of these companies have the discretionary cash to support SAWS or any other advocacy group. this puts our cause at a significant disadvantage to the greenies...
number 1 im not pizzed at anyone. debate and discussion are part of problem solving.
number 4 tax breaks for donations to SAWS and BRC will never be as profitable for a company as donating to a carbon credit, eco friendly, destroy our world green group. Thats the facts. I hate it as much as you do.
Why would donations to SAWS and BRC be a less effective tax break than greenie organizations? Presumably they are all 501(c)3 non-profits? If SAWS and BRC are not, then they need to re-organize to become one.
J
At least you can donate yourself out of a guilty conscience, shop at REI then donate to SAWS or Blue Ribbon..
Its like sinning then wiping away your sins in the confession booth
Its like sinning then wiping away your sins in the confession booth
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I think it would be in the big 4's best interest to help keep our riding areas open. If we have no place to ride then we won't be buying sleds.
We should really get on them to donate.
Do a little bluffing if you have too.
Here's Doo's number - 715-848-4957 for USA
Here's Poo's email http://www.polarisindustries.com/en-us/OurCompany/ContactUs/Pages/EmailConsumerService.aspx
Arctic Cat - 612 399 0500
Yamaha - (800) 962-7926
I sent Poo an email...if anyone can get emails of the others I think more people will be inclined to write then call.
If we keep harassing them we might get them to donate.
They might as well cause the greenies certainly don't like any of them.
We should really get on them to donate.
Do a little bluffing if you have too.
Here's Doo's number - 715-848-4957 for USA
Here's Poo's email http://www.polarisindustries.com/en-us/OurCompany/ContactUs/Pages/EmailConsumerService.aspx
Arctic Cat - 612 399 0500
Yamaha - (800) 962-7926
I sent Poo an email...if anyone can get emails of the others I think more people will be inclined to write then call.
If we keep harassing them we might get them to donate.
They might as well cause the greenies certainly don't like any of them.
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you guys got to remeber that goretex was made for human powered sports first. Than other markets saw the advantage. Most motor sports came to the layering sytem way after the human powered sports did. Motor heads started using the greenies clothes not the other way around.
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