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UNBELIEVABLE!!!!

Public land or private land, if you organize an event you are still responsible for safety.

I have no idea if it was before or after the real event. But if you hold an event and then this happens after it is hard to say who is liable. I'd argue that if the event organizers are still involved in any way, it is still part of the event.

I've been part of organizing a snowmobile event and liability insurance is probably the most expensive cost. It sucks until it is your family that was injured because of someone else's neglect.

Sure there is personal responsibility, but if you attend an event as a spectators you assume you are safe from injury. At least I would think I was.




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well there was allot of people there & allot of people got hurt lost sleds ect but we only have 1 guy suing i think that says it all:face-icon-small-dis + instead of going after the guy that set off the avi he wants money from everybody.pretty sure if i remeber right the guy that died did not set off the avi somebody cut above him while he was stuck at the top then the avi let go but i could be wrong +1 guy watching both freinds sad.

From what my buddies told me that were there...that is precisely what happened...
 
Where everybody parked was the "grandstands" and the trail pass was the ticket. Thats how the judge is going to view it.

I am not disagreeing with you guys that it is completly stupid of this guy to sue but as somebody else stated when it is a long term disability all ethics are out the window.
 
I am frequently humbled by the efforts put forth by "True Snowmobilers" to further our sport.

Likewise, I am offended & deeply disappointed by the actions of individuals like this that literally dismantle those efforts.
This clown is NOT a true snowmobiler.
As I said before, he nothing but a self serving opportunist.

Some peer pressure may be in order in this case.
 
When you attend an event as a spectator you generally assume there are no risks. You go to a car race, you expect to not be ran over. You go to a monster truck rally and expect to no have a truck in the stands.

Sorry but this guy has a valid claim.

Couple points here, or thoughts as I see them...

1. Is the car race/truck rally a SPECTACLE for the crowd to come and enjoy?
...or they all running around in the field/mud running against each other for
the challenge, AND YOUR FREE TO COME WATCH IF YOU WANT TO.

2. At these events, you are RESTRICTED to SAFE AREAS ONLY. But, lets say
your allowed to go STAND TRACKSIDE or on the ARENA WALL! If you are
ALLOWED THAT CHOICE, and CHOOSE TO DO SO... is it the events fault
because they let you? OR YOURS BECAUSE YOU CHOSE TO DO SO?

What Im saying here... nearly ALL events we watch are created FOR THE SPECTATOR. As such, they are not allowed access to where they can be hurt. If they are hurt where they should've been safe, there is cause to LOOK at fault, IMO. If this had happened TRACKSIDE at a RACE, you may have a point. The Shootout is a RIDER/PARTICIPANT event. It isnt held for YOU the SPECTATOR... you are allowed to come and join IF YOU LIKE. Thats means... well, its kinda OBVIOUS isn't it?

NO valid claim at all...
 
...but maybe im wrong. Can someone verify that Big Iron is a sanctioned race/event and not just a bunch of turbo'd "good 'ol boys" that maybe got a lil' bigger than that?
 
maybe its not this guy at all.....maybe his insurance company is looking for somebody to subsize their losses. I had a neck injury and all my health insurance company was interested in.....is if it happened on somebody elses property. They figured that type of injury was consistent with an accident and possibly somebody else should foot the bill.

Just saying..........You are jumping to all kinds conclusions without knowing the facts.
 
maybe its not this guy at all.....maybe his insurance company is looking for somebody to subsize their losses. I had a neck injury and all my health insurance company was interested in.....is if it happened on somebody elses property. They figured that type of injury was consistent with an accident and possibly somebody else should foot the bill.

Just saying..........You are jumping to all kinds conclusions without knowing the facts.

The article said it was the guy... not a company.
 
I've being joking about suing Environment Canada for constantly getting the weather forecast wrong, as its resulted in a loss of income (wasted gas money) and personal heartache (depression from crappy riding days) and medical bills (chiropractor) from not being able to see in flat light. Haha! I'm even laughing at myself!

A) If this douche has a claim, shouldn't I have one too?

or

B) The mountains are OBVIOUSLY uncontrolled environments that constantly change and do not ensure anyones safety or satisfaction.

Answer= B)

If this guy's lawsuit leads to closures in our riding areas,.....WOW! be a man, and suck it up princess, life is full of curve balls. You assumed the risk by being there.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if a lawyer tracked this guy down to create a lawsuit. It was such a big deal with the press. I could see some scumbag lawyer taking advantage of that momentum. I wouldn't be surprised if this lawyer contacts, or has contacted other injured people.

The problem I see with the case is that it is your responsibility as a person not to put other people in harms way. Really, the people highmarking were endangering hundreds of people. Even though it was their choice to sit there, it was probably negligent of the highmarkers to hit a dangerous slope while people were sitting at the bottom of it.

If I was sitting at the bottom, I would have sure felt like an idiot after the slide, but I would take responsibility for my own stupidity.

It will be a very sad day for sledders everywhere if this guy wins.
 
Trying to sue Shay Snortland! He lost his life that day!!!!! What a scumbag, he (sHAY) was stuck on the side of the hill, he did not even trigger it, someone else did. The way the conditions were that day it was bound to happen that day, PERSONALLY RESPONSIBILITY.!!!

What a crock of crap, but it was said last year after this tragic event that this was going to happen!!! JUST DISGUSTING.
 
Another note, I believe that the guy who highmarked above Shay, (who was stuck on the side of the hill) setting off the avy, and killing him, is responsible for his death. If anyone should be suing, it is Shay's family. Everyone else at the bottom of the hill is resonsible for themselves, nobody told them to park there. There was another person killed at the bottom in Shay's group, along with several other members of the same group who were injured.
 
I didn't think liberals snowmobiled until I read this post. Maybe mcdonalds coffee was too hot but it is coffee. You don't drink it cold. At least I don't. If you come to my house, in the winter, and fall on the ice and hit your head, it sucks but it is winter. If you park your sled in an avalanche zone and get buried, well it sucks but you shouldn't have parked there. But everyone else was parked there! Are you going to jump off a cliff because everyone else did. When I was 21 I jumped off natural bridge. It is on forest service and is a 115 feet. My approach was a little off and I broke my back. Looking at some people's opinion on here, I guess I should have sued the forest service because there was no sign that said, " Hey dumbazz, don't jump off here or you could break your back." It's all fun and games until someone loses an eye. Then the true colors come out.
If I'm having a picnic, by the interstate, and my 10 month old daughter gets run over by a car. The driver is going 20 miles per hour over the speed limit. Who's fault is it? It is my fault because she shouldn't have been put in that scenario. I'm sure there would be a lawyer that would take it but it's wrong. If you people want to be puppets and just told what to do, the rest of your lives, keep sticking up for these people. Make sure you vote for Obama again in 2012. Life will be a whole lot simpler. You won't have to think for yourself.
 
wow, im not sure how to repond...this video below should do just fine



Pretty harsh Hatchers...........

Frankly none of you know precisely how you would react if your life was severely altered because of this event.

There are many circumstances that are not known to any of us. It is real easy to sit back and say "Well, that is completely wrong, that is just stupid, he knew the dangers,,,,,,, blah, blah, blah"

In the end, the set of circumstances that brought this lawsuit, might be found actionable.

Lets see how this plays out, and what the meat of the suit is actually. You might change your mind once you hear it........

Frankly, If I was the widower or had to deal with the life changing injuries, caused by negligence, you f'in bet I would sue.
A: I would want to get dollars to try and attempt to help put my life back together
B: Make sure nobody else has to go through this again

This whole suit hinges on the word negligence

I am no lawyer, but this whole tragedy screams negligence........

Go ahead flame away, but what if that was YOUR son, daughter, wife, husband that had either lost their life, or had life altering injuries, because of negligence of others......................... YOU juuust might think differently.......

Lets see what the negligence was or was not.........
 
nowadays you got to wonder how many people would sue your azz off and take your house if they fell on your front door step.pretty sad the way things are now.
 
Back to topic. When you attend an event as a spectator you generally assume there are no risks. You go to a car race, you expect to not be ran over. You go to a monster truck rally and expect to no have a truck in the stands.

Sorry but this guy has a valid claim.


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Have you ever read the back of a ticket going to these things? They have a release statement. Just like the ones there. He does not have a valid claim. He should be embaressed for ever trying something like this. You think his friends are sticking up for him? They are laughing at him. He is making the WHOLE snomobile community WORLD WIDE look bad. JM2C!
 
Take a deep breath......and GO!

This obviously changed the mans life, and that of his familes for a very long time, however, understanding the facts as follows:

-Non-Sanctioned "Event"
-Club did NOT endorse however were happy to charge for a sub-par trail and ridiculous parking lot/trailhead conditions
-This "event" was over and people had dispersed earlier in the day
-People gathered at Turbo like we ALWAYS do until the sun dissappears behind the mountain
-People were in a runout zone and knowing the precautions most of us take on a daily basis, everyone that was in the slide, and witnessed the slide, have said they would have done things differently that day. And hopefully they take that lesson to heart
-Some of the best riders in the world have sat at the bottom of Turbo while people climb without a second thought. World Champion Hillclimbers and Sno-Xers, industry figureheads and I was even priviledged to come across Bret Rasmussen testing '04 proto's one spring.....Sitting in the runout just like everyone else.

With these minimal FACTS as I know them, and knowing the avalanche conditions at the time, I talked my group(which included my brother, dad, and three close family friends) out of riding Boulder and driving to Malakwa and riding there. Which in turn ended up being our best day of sledding all year! However, not my point...

Infact I rode with a guy today that was at the slide, at the top of Turbo watching the action....consensus at the top of the hill was basically, "what the hell is everyone doing parking down there? Didn't they read the avy warnings?" And that conversation was repeated many times before the mountain slid.

If I led my group into the middle of that melee and (heaven forbid) someone in my group died.....I wouldn't be mad at the highmarker, or the club, or the lack of signage, I knew where, what, and how situations could have played out, I would be blaming myself for leading my family and friends into danger. Not anyone else....it would have been MY fault, and MY conscience that would be the end of me. I simply would not, could not, sue someone for my own stupidity in leading my group into a situation like that.
ALL of my friends, sledders or not, in the slide or not, ALL agree with me.

The backcountry is a dangerous place, Turbo is Miles and Miles away from a forest service road, let alone civilization. There's signs that warn us, that tell us to be prepared, but it is up to us to adhere to those messages. If I want to take as much risk out of backcountry sledding as I can, you better believe I'm on www.avalanche.ca, checking local weather, talking to locals, making sure I have as many bases covered as possible. And when I have family with me - just that much more of a reason to keep them as safe as one can.

Hence the reason I did not ride Boulder that weekend. I took the info given to me, assessed the situation, and made a decision to leave the area before something catastrophic happened. Luckily, I made a good arguement as all of us took time away from work to go to Revelstoke and partake in the BIS. It was a tough crowd to influence, but man am I glad I did!

Let me pose this question:

What happens if I'm found riding out of bounds? Signs are posted(As they were at the trailhead that morning - I know cause that's where I found out about the crap trail going in) Websites have co-ordinates, people can ask simple questions to the local gas clerk for heavens sake! So I get caught out of bounds and have my sled impounded and I'm given a fine. Do I sue the local club for not putting up enough signs? Do I sue the BCSF for not lobbying the GOVT for enough money to put a fence up? Do I sue my riding partner who said, "We can go down there."? Hells no, IT'S MY RESPONSIBILTY TO KNOW WHERE I AM, THE DANGERS INVOLVED, AND ACT ACCORDINGLY.

Ignorance is no excuse....had a few cops tell me that before.....same theory applies.......either that, or I have A LOT of tickets to dispute!

I feel for the trauma this man has faced, that of his own and of his son, however claiming ignorance to the internet postings, to the website warnings, to the signage at the trailhead etc has got to be put to rest.

If your traveling in the backcountry - know how. It's pretty simple actually....know how.
If you get behind the wheel of a car, do you know the rules of the road? Do you know how to avoid a collision? DO you know the risks? Hell - Do you know how to drive!?!?!?

I don't understand people thinking what we do is childs play - the more you know about the backcountry, the more serious it gets. Plain and simple.

I used to poke fun at my American counterparts when they would come up riding. Whenever something would go wrong, or not as planned, I would take up the fight to "sue whomever" because that's the American Way!(Tongue in cheek people, tongue in cheek!)

So to my American friends, I owe you an apoligy.
Shoulda been looking on my own side of the border apparently....:face-icon-small-con:face-icon-small-fro:face-icon-small-sho
 
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Just trying to have an objective point of view. I get on this site and follow some of the threads in the Avi section and time and time again fellow Sledders are bringing up incidents where some other guy has put there life at risk for doing something stupid like blazing by you when you are stuck on a slope, stuff like that.

There is a vid of this happening. I ask you this, if the guy that blows by you on a slope and causes a Avi he dies but you survive, but you are now a paraplegic cause of this persons actions, would you not take legal action? Sorry but the person that triggered the Avi, he hurt alot of people with his actions.

Not the exact same as this but we dont know all the details. I definatly dont agree with this if he was an experienced sledder that should of known better, but I dont know exactly what happened. Not going to get on a forum and call this person down when I dont know all the facts.

For all the haters on this site, stop attacking people cause you dont agree with there point of view.

You may not have a clue what happened on Boulder that day, but there are many on here that were there or had close friends there. These people have a pretty good idea as to the chain of events that happened that day, but apparently you don't!!

As for attacking you...this is a forum and everyone's comment is open for debate...if you can't take the heat for the opinions you have shared...maybe you should keep them to yourself. Red repping people cause they call you out on your comments - when you truely don't have the slightest idea as to what happened on Boulder that day....TOUCHE!!!
 
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