The DOW just keeps falling

[ruffryder]

Actually I did answer the question.

No you didn't and you still have yet to.. Maybe you didn't understand the question in the first place?

If everything were the same as now, except for Obama saying "how wonderful everything was going in the country, how we are strong, and how we are pulling through this" even though things are still getting worse, what would you say?

Besides the 5 D's of dodge ball that is....

As for socialist health care.
Look at Canada (no offense to the Canadians).
If socialized medicine is so great, why do hundreds of thousand of Canadians cross the boarder into the US to seek medical treatment?

I think that is a bs statement... not factual.. more fear tacticts from the right... Note, he even dispels your "socialized" medicine bs too....

Check out this from someone who actually experienced both..

 

[ruffryder]

Our current health care system is #1 in the world.

BS... Based on what? Your own personal opinion?

If Govt paid Health care is not socialized medicine what is it?

It is called single payer insurance.... The govt is the insurance provider, everything else is private...

You do understand with a govt system that the talented MD's will leave for a free economy where they can earn a living, and that the talent pool will continually decline. Its all about choice, and i choose not to follow along down the path of sub par govt regulated health care.

If that was the case, why are there lots of doctors in all the other industrialized countries that have universal health care programs?... blah, more bs....

 

[ruffryder]

Here is some more...

check it out folks...

 

[dooadew]

citi group only worth .96 cents despite all our handouts

 

[Ollie]

Dow Down 325 points.

If Obama wasn't striking terror into the markets, yes, we would be better off now and he would get the praise. However, if for some mysterious reason the stocks had continued to fall, he would at least have a real reason to say it was Bush's fault.
So no, I wouldn't be bashing away like I am now.
Does that spell it out clear enough or do I need to draw you a picture?

Insurance.
SINGLE PAYER!?!?!

"It is called single payer insurance.... The govt is the insurance provider, everything else is private..."

THERE IS NO "EVERYTHING ELSE".
it is just the government and their control.
What a Joke
How About ONLY PAYER.
That is like saying the military is an independent company.
Or Social Security is just a savings account that you only get out what you put in.

You think the government can do a good job at health care for all and do it cheaper.
Just look at medicaid and medicare.
2 of the most inept orgs. in the government.
I sure as heck won't accecpt government control.
I am sure those that are too lazy to work or don't want to sacrifice to get insurance will love it.

 

[johnsodo]

ruffy wher in the constition dos it say the gov can or needs to give us a hand out or helth care show me

 

[ruffryder]

ruffy wher in the constition dos it say the gov can or needs to give us a hand out or helth care show me

can does not equal needs
hand out does not equal health care....

Gov't is run by the voters, if enough of them want the gov't to do something, then it will happen. I would guess the fact that we have a legislative branch makes it so....

 

[Beels]

Here is some more...

check it out folks...

From some leftist blog site...

Why don't you just STFU when you have NO clue?

 

[johnsodo]

ruffy what tipe of goverment do we have? (it is a Republic )

so if 51% of us what to take all of your stuf and give it to some one else that dose not what to work you will be ok with it

 

[ruffryder]

ruffy what tipe of goverment do we have? (it is a Republic )

so if 51% of us what to take all of your stuf and give it to some one else that dose not what to work you will be ok with it

technically it is a democratic republic... as we democratically vote for our representatives in government...

Tyranny of the majority on the last part... So who would answer yes to that question?

 

[Snow Fox]

can does not equal needs
hand out does not equal health care....

Gov't is run by the voters, if enough of them want the gov't to do something, then it will happen. I would guess the fact that we have a legislative branch makes it so....

And that my friends is why the founding fathers knew that illiterate, non-landowning people should not vote. See what all these illiterate welfare collecting dumbf**ks are doing to our country. They expect handouts and don't believe in working and earning what they get. So is why we have Comrade as President, and a bunch oxygen wasters got him elected.

 

[POLZIN]

From some leftist blog site...

Why don't you just STFU when you have NO clue?

Ha ha what would he have to talk about!

 

[johnsodo]

Tyranny -the cruel and arbitrary use of authority

 

[johnsodo]

Observance of
the Constitution
is essential to
the survival of the
Republic and the
well being of
Americans,
their lives,liberties
and property.
Those in power
must fear the
consequences of
ignoring, evading
or violating it







We affirm the principles of inherent
individual rights upon which these
United States of America were founded:
That each individual is endowed by God with
certain unalienable rights; that among these
are the rights to Life, Liberty, Property and the
Pursuit of the individual's personal interest,
That the freedom to own, use, exchange,
control, protect, and freely dispose of
Property is a natural, necessary and
inseparable extension of the individual's
unalienable rights;
That the legitimate function of government
is to secure these rights through the
preservation of domestic tranquility, the
maintenance of a strong national defense,
and the promotion of equal justice for all;
That history makes clear that left unchecked,
it is the nature of government to usurp the
liberty of its citizens and eventually become
a major violator of the people's rights;
Therefore, it is essential to bind government
with the chains of the Constitution and
carefully divide and jealously limit
government powers to those assigned by
the consent of the governed.

 

[bobback]

ruffy, you seem to think the gov't is the solution to everything...name one successfully ran gov't program.

The recession of the 80's was just as bad or worse than it is now...you know how we got out of that? By cutting taxes. Now obama is going to raise taxes on the rich to pay for his new healthcare plan...that's fair.

ruffy, why don't you provide us some FACTS on these great healthcare programs in other countries...start w/ Canada, then the UK.

 

[Beels]

ruffy, you seem to think the gov't is the solution to everything...name one successfully ran gov't program.

The recession of the 80's was just as bad or worse than it is now...you know how we got out of that? By cutting taxes. Now obama is going to raise taxes on the rich to pay for his new healthcare plan...that's fair.

ruffy, why don't you provide us some FACTS on these great healthcare programs in other countries...start w/ Canada, then the UK.

Don't hold your breath.

I don't usually get involved in these chitfights, but I'm plain sick and tired of reading this guy's nonsensical BS.

 

[ruffryder]

ruffy, why don't you provide us some FACTS on these great healthcare programs in other countries...start w/ Canada, then the UK.

How about just a listing of all countries in there respective order?

crappy site, but the info is from the WHO anyways....

Isn't Spain socialist? hmm... UAE are ranked hire then us too... dang muslims... lol.. At least were are two steps above Cuba..

ruffy, you seem to think the gov't is the solution to everything...name one successfully ran gov't program.

No, there are just some things that are in a nations best interest to offer..

How about roads, interstate program, military, police, fire dept, courts, FCC, SCC, usps, Darpa, NASA, National Science Foundation...

Crap the list is huge... but we tend to only think of the little problems with them all. Most fail to see govt's role in our lives, and its ability to allow us to live a more free life, instead we only focus on the bad things it does...

Look at Mexico, right across the boarder, but corruption runs rampent. Businesses don't like that, they like an even playing field to go out and make business, make money, that is what the US offers.... They help to set the rules, and we play by them happily. Areas with out this ability struggle.

 

[bobback]

Don't hold your breath.

I don't usually get involved in these chitfights, but I'm plain sick and tired of reading this guy's nonsensical BS.

.

I was thinking the same thing...why keep him entertained, just anoter typical lib that never answers anything. Probably gives people neg. reps w/o signing his name.

 

[ruffryder]

Cool comparisons thing...

Some more info...

 

[Ollie]

How about just a listing of all countries in there respective order?

crappy site, but the info is from the WHO anyways....

Isn't Spain socialist? hmm... UAE are ranked hire then us too... dang muslims... lol.. At least were are two steps above Cuba..




No, there are just some things that are in a nations best interest to offer..

How about roads, interstate program, military, police, fire dept, courts, FCC, SCC, usps, Darpa, NASA, National Science Foundation...

Crap the list is huge... but we tend to only think of the little problems with them all. Most fail to see govt's role in our lives, and its ability to allow us to live a more free life, instead we only focus on the bad things it does...

Look at Mexico, right across the boarder, but corruption runs rampent. Businesses don't like that, they like an even playing field to go out and make business, make money, that is what the US offers.... They help to set the rules, and we play by them happily. Areas with out this ability struggle.

First off,no buisness likes a level playing field.
They want the ability to compete. If they can compete, they succeed. If they can't, they don't. Obama's current plans impede the ability of small buisness to succeed. They impose restrictive taxes and regulations that make it next to impossible to succeed.

Show me anywhere in the constitution or bill of rights where it is the governments job to do anything other than provide for the security of the country?

The government has TAKEN the rights of the states to govern themselves.
it is the states job to manage itself, it's roads, medical needs and the rest.
The government has taken those rights away in the name of "fairness".
What a load of BS.