The cost of illigal aliens
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Are there illegal aliens near where you live?
Roughly how many?
Are there illegal aliens near where you live?
Roughly how many?
Citizens of our own country do that.
I am sure if YOU went to another country and burned their flag it wouldn't bother them too much. There are idiots in our country that do it but that does not give the "right" to a foreigner to come over and do it.
Housebreaker
A lady wrote the best letter in the Editorials in ages!!
It explains things better than all the balderdash you hear on TV.
"Recently large demonstrations have taken place across the country
protesting the fact that Congress is finally addressing the issue of
illegal immigration. Certain people are angry that the US might
protect its own borders, might make it harder to sneak into this
country and, once here, to stay indefinitely. Let me see if I
correctly understand the thinking behind these protests.
Let's say I break into your house. Let's say that when you discover me
in your house, you insist that I leave. But I say, "I made all the
beds and washed the dishes and did the laundry and swept the floors;
I've done all the things you don't like to do. I'm hard-working and
honest (except for when I broke into your house)."
According to the protesters, not only must you let me stay, you must
add me to your family's insurance plan and provide other benefits to
me and to my family (my husband will do your yard work because
he too is hard-working and honest, except for that breaking in part).
If you try to call the police or force me out, I will call my friends
who
will picket your house carrying signs that proclaim my right to be
there.
It's only fair, after all, because you have a nicer house than I do,
and I'm just trying to better myself. I'm hard-working and honest. um,
except for well, you know.
And what a deal it is for me!! I live in your house, contributing
only a fraction of the cost of my keep, and there is nothing you can
do about it without being accused of selfishness, prejudice and being
anti-housebreaker.
Oh yeah, and I want you to learn my language so you can communicate
with
me.
A lady wrote the best letter in the Editorials in ages!!
It explains things better than all the balderdash you hear on TV.
"Recently large demonstrations have taken place across the country
protesting the fact that Congress is finally addressing the issue of
illegal immigration. Certain people are angry that the US might
protect its own borders, might make it harder to sneak into this
country and, once here, to stay indefinitely. Let me see if I
correctly understand the thinking behind these protests.
Let's say I break into your house. Let's say that when you discover me
in your house, you insist that I leave. But I say, "I made all the
beds and washed the dishes and did the laundry and swept the floors;
I've done all the things you don't like to do. I'm hard-working and
honest (except for when I broke into your house)."
According to the protesters, not only must you let me stay, you must
add me to your family's insurance plan and provide other benefits to
me and to my family (my husband will do your yard work because
he too is hard-working and honest, except for that breaking in part).
If you try to call the police or force me out, I will call my friends
who
will picket your house carrying signs that proclaim my right to be
there.
It's only fair, after all, because you have a nicer house than I do,
and I'm just trying to better myself. I'm hard-working and honest. um,
except for well, you know.
And what a deal it is for me!! I live in your house, contributing
only a fraction of the cost of my keep, and there is nothing you can
do about it without being accused of selfishness, prejudice and being
anti-housebreaker.
Oh yeah, and I want you to learn my language so you can communicate
with
me.
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Most of em.
The local middle school had so many non-english speaking students they wanted to make spanish the language spoken at the school. They figured it would be easier to teach the american students spanish than the ones here iligally english. The mexican parents picketed the school when the state informed them that if they did that they would lose all state and federal funding. The school changed their minds and insisted the non-english speaking students attend special after school sessions to speed up the process.
If your local gas station has western union and sells money orders, you have illigals in your town.
If you know that they're are illegals, why not call INS? I'm not trying to be a (d)ic(k) here, but I keep reading thread after thread about illegals (sic) mexicans, and people complain but do nothing about it.
Seems we have the same problem with voting, but thats another issue. I don't doubt that there is a problem in the US, but the laws we have aren't being enforced - why aren't we, as a people, howling about that.
Every conservative legislator and or pundit is hollering about send them back. OK Lou Dobbs, WTF am I supposed to use for money to fill the tanks on 185000 bus trips back to the border. Are those drivers going to be paid in tacos? If there are 11-13 million illegals, they can't all be criminals. Some of them must work - a crappy job at that.
I'll admit that some are paid in cash, under the table. Take it up with the ahole who wants to get around the tax consequence of hiring an employee. If "Pedro" does a days work, then he should earn a days pay. Ya ya I know, he's illegal so "f" that taco bender, he got what he deserves. Does being illegal, make him less than a man. Lawbreaker = Chattel.
Now I know some of you have this "I'm sick and tired of this hard working immigrant stuff - go home and come back legally." Fine, then call your legislator and get them to get off their azz and get a workable guest worker program into play. You have a lot less to fear from a guest worker program than from the expansion of the Patriot Act. But we don't need a guest worker program, just raise wages and people would be more willing to work. Great, so for a dollar an hour increase, suddenly the unemployed are going to all jump off the couch and hit the workforce, I call BS. Minimum wage keeps getting increased...
Now before you all start slappin me with red squares of hate, let me suggest a couple things for you to ruminate on.
1. If there wasn't opportunity, they wouldn't be here. Some how we need to fill jobs with the unemployed, not the imported. Suggestions
2. Employers (all - yes you home depot guy) shouldn't pay under the table. If you are then your part of the problem.
3. Why are there illegals in jail? No papers - off to the border.
4. Does the government want to really solve this. Lets say 1/2 of the illegals are having SocSec taken out of the pay - they'll never see this.
5. If its 338.3 billon in services, what do they put in to the economy via the gas pump and grocery?
Discuss....
Seems we have the same problem with voting, but thats another issue. I don't doubt that there is a problem in the US, but the laws we have aren't being enforced - why aren't we, as a people, howling about that.
Every conservative legislator and or pundit is hollering about send them back. OK Lou Dobbs, WTF am I supposed to use for money to fill the tanks on 185000 bus trips back to the border. Are those drivers going to be paid in tacos? If there are 11-13 million illegals, they can't all be criminals. Some of them must work - a crappy job at that.
I'll admit that some are paid in cash, under the table. Take it up with the ahole who wants to get around the tax consequence of hiring an employee. If "Pedro" does a days work, then he should earn a days pay. Ya ya I know, he's illegal so "f" that taco bender, he got what he deserves. Does being illegal, make him less than a man. Lawbreaker = Chattel.
Now I know some of you have this "I'm sick and tired of this hard working immigrant stuff - go home and come back legally." Fine, then call your legislator and get them to get off their azz and get a workable guest worker program into play. You have a lot less to fear from a guest worker program than from the expansion of the Patriot Act. But we don't need a guest worker program, just raise wages and people would be more willing to work. Great, so for a dollar an hour increase, suddenly the unemployed are going to all jump off the couch and hit the workforce, I call BS. Minimum wage keeps getting increased...
Now before you all start slappin me with red squares of hate, let me suggest a couple things for you to ruminate on.
1. If there wasn't opportunity, they wouldn't be here. Some how we need to fill jobs with the unemployed, not the imported. Suggestions
2. Employers (all - yes you home depot guy) shouldn't pay under the table. If you are then your part of the problem.
3. Why are there illegals in jail? No papers - off to the border.
4. Does the government want to really solve this. Lets say 1/2 of the illegals are having SocSec taken out of the pay - they'll never see this.
5. If its 338.3 billon in services, what do they put in to the economy via the gas pump and grocery?
Discuss....
Workfare - CITIZENS don't get welfare check they get workfare check, ONLY after they've worked for it, just like you and I (you get paid when you work).
HUGE fines for companies that are caught with illegals working there.
Because of knuckleheads in govt. like San Francisco that create safe zones, or the fact that by the time the cops have the paperwork filled out, the illegals are already BACK into the country.
It's not the Soc Sec that the politicians (Dems) are concerned with it's the VOTES that they gain by leaving them here or granting amnesty.(see # 3)
The gas and the grocery money does not make up for the drain on the economy that low paid illegal workers cause.
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Mooseknkuckle.
There is a proposal right now in the senate and the house that would take away the employer draw to hire and pay either above board or under the table away.
Heres the problem. Nancy Palosi and her goon squad have blocked every effort to even bring it to a vote. They say it would be too hard on the illigals. It's called the save act.
Furthermore, the data base that is the backbone of the E-verify system is under attack by the same people. They want to shut the data base down. They say it has too many errors to be used (less than 1 percent).
Heres the rub. Over the last 30 years, every year the Social Security Administration sends out what are called No-match letters to employers. Those are letters telling the employer that the SS number of the employee they have doesn't match the name (either thru marriage or name change or it is a fake SS number). Now the company is SUPPOSED to contact the employee and get the matter resolved. This usually just takes a trip down to the SS office and a little paperwork. No big deal.
However, no-one has bothered do ever deal with it because the law that backs the no-match letters up (like every other facet of illigal alien law enforcement was never enforced). So now they are using their inaction as an excuse to kill the best chance we have to clean up the system.
They will be taking a vote (possible today) to re-autorize the E-verify system. Unfortunetly Palosi and her goon squad have put so many restrictions on it's use that it will be useless.
Over 2 million companies have signed up for and use the system today. If Palosi gets her way, those 2 million companies will be locked out of using it and we are right back to square one. No enforcement at all.
There is a proposal right now in the senate and the house that would take away the employer draw to hire and pay either above board or under the table away.
Heres the problem. Nancy Palosi and her goon squad have blocked every effort to even bring it to a vote. They say it would be too hard on the illigals. It's called the save act.
Furthermore, the data base that is the backbone of the E-verify system is under attack by the same people. They want to shut the data base down. They say it has too many errors to be used (less than 1 percent).
Heres the rub. Over the last 30 years, every year the Social Security Administration sends out what are called No-match letters to employers. Those are letters telling the employer that the SS number of the employee they have doesn't match the name (either thru marriage or name change or it is a fake SS number). Now the company is SUPPOSED to contact the employee and get the matter resolved. This usually just takes a trip down to the SS office and a little paperwork. No big deal.
However, no-one has bothered do ever deal with it because the law that backs the no-match letters up (like every other facet of illigal alien law enforcement was never enforced). So now they are using their inaction as an excuse to kill the best chance we have to clean up the system.
They will be taking a vote (possible today) to re-autorize the E-verify system. Unfortunetly Palosi and her goon squad have put so many restrictions on it's use that it will be useless.
Over 2 million companies have signed up for and use the system today. If Palosi gets her way, those 2 million companies will be locked out of using it and we are right back to square one. No enforcement at all.
Ollie,
The SAVE act is a wonderful piece of legislation, that unfortunately will not remove the reason people risk life and limb to come here. Right now there are laws on the books that make it illegal to hire undocumented workers, but there still here. The laws aren't being enforeced, period. Adding another law to the books will only make people get more creative. There is a huge amount of money spent on the "war on drugs", but we still have a problem. That problem is us.
Section 303 of the Save act refers to a reward system for people who turn in suspected document forgers. Sorry folks, I can't abide by a government program that encourages people to rat on others. Its not that I don't want to see the problem solved, but we sure are quick to give up our rights as individuals. If you want to do the right thing, then do it. Why do you think that you should get paid for doing the right thing?
Now I'm not a fan of Ms. Pelosi, and as an aside somehow eliminating undocumented workers would probably hurt the bottom line at the restaurants see has invested in
, but there are another 537 members of congress. We complain about the work congress does, but there sure is a high incumbency rate.
Sturgis - I agree with the workfare. I'm not even asking for trash pick up, just a few hours a week at the library. As for votes, I think its funny when "immigrants" are encouraged to contact their legislator. Uhm, your illegal and unregistered, unfortunately some folks are swayed by popular opinion not what the "electorate" desires. That we need to work on.
The SAVE act is a wonderful piece of legislation, that unfortunately will not remove the reason people risk life and limb to come here. Right now there are laws on the books that make it illegal to hire undocumented workers, but there still here. The laws aren't being enforeced, period. Adding another law to the books will only make people get more creative. There is a huge amount of money spent on the "war on drugs", but we still have a problem. That problem is us.
Section 303 of the Save act refers to a reward system for people who turn in suspected document forgers. Sorry folks, I can't abide by a government program that encourages people to rat on others. Its not that I don't want to see the problem solved, but we sure are quick to give up our rights as individuals. If you want to do the right thing, then do it. Why do you think that you should get paid for doing the right thing?
Now I'm not a fan of Ms. Pelosi, and as an aside somehow eliminating undocumented workers would probably hurt the bottom line at the restaurants see has invested in
, but there are another 537 members of congress. We complain about the work congress does, but there sure is a high incumbency rate. Sturgis - I agree with the workfare. I'm not even asking for trash pick up, just a few hours a week at the library. As for votes, I think its funny when "immigrants" are encouraged to contact their legislator. Uhm, your illegal and unregistered, unfortunately some folks are swayed by popular opinion not what the "electorate" desires. That we need to work on.
The workfare recipients need to do the jobs that the illegals are doing now. Get rid of the illegals (with no work and no welfare they will not hang around for long), put our citizens to work, seems like a win-win situation to me.
I agree...the only problem is some of our citizens would rather NOT work..
That's why "no work = no check".
I agree...the only problem is some of our citizens would rather NOT work..
Then Let them F'ing Starve to death and Good riddens!
Not that I fancy myself as an English Composition major, but let me first apologize for my atrocious abuse of the King's English. After reviewing my earlier post this morning, I've have got to stop typing a stream of consciousness and not reading it after for typos and grammer.
Now that's out of the way.
from an oped piece by Robert J. Samuelson
...Business organizations understandably support guest worker programs. They like cheap labor and ignore the social consequences. What's more perplexing is why liberals, staunch opponents of poverty and inequality, support a program that worsens poverty and inequality. Poor immigrant workers hurt the wages of unskilled Americans. The only question is how much. Studies suggest a range "from negligible to an earnings reduction of almost 10 percent," according to the CBO...
Would you pay 10 percent more for stuff to eliminate the illegal problem, if that were a workable solution?
Could someone from Oregon chime in about the "gas pumpers". It's my understanding that folks who pump your gas are "welfare" recipients. Apparently that part of the deal for your monthly assistance.
Now that's out of the way.
from an oped piece by Robert J. Samuelson
...Business organizations understandably support guest worker programs. They like cheap labor and ignore the social consequences. What's more perplexing is why liberals, staunch opponents of poverty and inequality, support a program that worsens poverty and inequality. Poor immigrant workers hurt the wages of unskilled Americans. The only question is how much. Studies suggest a range "from negligible to an earnings reduction of almost 10 percent," according to the CBO...
Would you pay 10 percent more for stuff to eliminate the illegal problem, if that were a workable solution?
Could someone from Oregon chime in about the "gas pumpers". It's my understanding that folks who pump your gas are "welfare" recipients. Apparently that part of the deal for your monthly assistance.
New immigration strategy — Deport yourself
Ollie - just ran across this in the Houston Chronicle
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5914689.html
Ollie - just ran across this in the Houston Chronicle
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5914689.html
And people wonder why some of us think this country is doomed !Thats the dumbest thing I have heard of in a long time. Maybe that lady should run for president!
Polz
Why? She probably has more power over you where she's at.
After working as a federal prosecutor in Brooklyn, N.Y., for two years, Myers held a variety of jobs over the past four years at the White House and at the departments of Commerce, Justice and Treasury, though none involved managing a large bureaucracy. Myers worked briefly as chief of staff to Michael Chertoff when he led the Justice Department's criminal division before he became Homeland Security secretary.
Myers also was an associate under independent counsel Kenneth W. Starr for about 16 months and has most recently served as a special assistant to President Bush handling personnel issues.
Her uncle is Air Force Gen. Richard B. Myers, the departing chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. She married Chertoff's current chief of staff, John F. Wood,
Lets play connect the dots, shall we?
Why? She probably has more power over you where she's at.
After working as a federal prosecutor in Brooklyn, N.Y., for two years, Myers held a variety of jobs over the past four years at the White House and at the departments of Commerce, Justice and Treasury, though none involved managing a large bureaucracy. Myers worked briefly as chief of staff to Michael Chertoff when he led the Justice Department's criminal division before he became Homeland Security secretary.
Myers also was an associate under independent counsel Kenneth W. Starr for about 16 months and has most recently served as a special assistant to President Bush handling personnel issues.
Her uncle is Air Force Gen. Richard B. Myers, the departing chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. She married Chertoff's current chief of staff, John F. Wood,
Lets play connect the dots, shall we?
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