Might just have to bite the bullet and try a pair of these
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I wasn't happy with the app either. More crap to deal with getting ready (pairing), it sometimes wouldn't pair, and sometimes toggling the goggle between Auto and Manual wouldn't do anything. And when they were in auto, the goggles would fog worse than the original Kingpin Ignites I had. The Kingpin Ignites were better than the 2.0 S1 line in my opinion--the Kingpins you could at least hit the heat button when stopped and the fog started to appear, and the fog would dissipate. Or turn them to always on easily. Not having to deal with any of those items with the Tempest has been fantastic.I hate the 509 goggles. Hard to remember how manual mode works and the fact you need an app is ****!ng stupid. I sent 509 a long email. I sent them back with no care of a refund i just did not want the junk in my bag. The klim work ok. The tempest are sold out.