Synthetic Oil - why?

[Coldfinger]

I know, Cat recommends synthetic apv oil, yada yada.

I was looking for other, more convenient (local) options about a month ago so I called a few oil companies.

Valvoline tech line rep told me they don't make a synthetic two stroke snowmobile oil because there is no purpose - the oil gets used right away. They said it doesn't make sense to run synthetic in a 2-cycle because the one purpose of synthetic is that it will last longer, which isn't an issue in 2-cycle engines. Hey, I'm just relaying what they said.

 

[clutch man]

I know, Cat recommends synthetic apv oil, yada yada.

I was looking for other, more convenient (local) options about a month ago so I called a few oil companies.

Valvoline tech line rep told me they don't make a synthetic two stroke snowmobile oil because there is no purpose - the oil gets used right away. They said it doesn't make sense to run synthetic in a 2-cycle because the one purpose of synthetic is that it will last longer, which isn't an issue in 2-cycle engines. Hey, I'm just relaying what they said.

He is full of chit. The new motors in all the newer 2 stroke sleds run a closer tolerance than they ever have before. plus with the power valve motors you cant have as much carbon when it burns or it will stick to the power valve. On top of that the synthetic oils lube the motor under the heat of a 2 stroke far better than any conventional oil ever will. This will make the motor last longer and only run the best amsoil interseptor or red line.

 

[mynewuseddoo]

Why amsoil or redline?

 

[drypowder]

how about conklin. it has a synthetic oil ,low ash , and a pour point at -41 degrees . thats a better pour point than skidoos by 1 degrees.

 

[ezra]

I run the cheep chit citgo sea and snow fleet farm under 10 bucks a gal on sale on all my sleds even a 1010 cat on spray.used amsoil for yrs fine oil but no B.S.my power valves are cleaner now than with interceptor.run what makes you feel good .most of my buds have changed over after watching me for a few yrs

 

[snowmobiler]

i choose to believe indydan

 

[Proven]

What does Indydan say?

 

[Dam Dave]

I choose to believe my own research

 

[Qreiff]

Yes, do your own research.

Check out this informational link on my website. It about 10 minutes long and worth the watch.

Oil technology is advancing and most companies are not. They have their formulations and that's it.

Legend Oil is a new age, hybrid oil taken advantage of modern day additive technology and is formulated to BURN!

Links are at the bottom.

Legend makes the difference!

 

[Ski-Laxn]

When you order from QC Performance. I ship same day or next. Two to three days to NE.
Chuck

 

[mynewuseddoo]

My team and I have been developing a new synthetic two stroke oil which is designed to actualy separate molecularly during combustion. It is essentialy two different lubricants in one which are bonded through a process called transflux induction. Basicaly a fancy way of saying electicity. This creates the bonds which are needed to keep the oil's stable and homogenized under normal storage and atmospheric conditions. When combustion occurs the gasoline and heat both react with the oil to break the molecular bonds and this results in a much cleaner burn and a much cleaner engine. We have been bench testing motors with this product with great results. Since it is oil we are testing we are basicaly putting our engines through absolute hell with tests at high RPM and they are nasty to say the least. Not intermitent bursts but prolonged intervals at max RPM upwards of 120 min. The motor tear downs have shown excelent results and only normal motor wear has been noticed. We are trying to blow a motor but haven't achieved that goal yet. Maybe 6 hours should do the trick?

 

[clutch man]

Why amsoil or redline?

In my years of motor repairs i have found the these our the best 2 stroke oils out there. Less moter repairs and our better at not getting carbon on the power valves. I have 2000 hard miles on my 800 have never had to clean the power valves (run amsoil intersetor). I did the brake in with is too it has never seen any other oil and never will as long as i own it. I run it at 50/1 too. Infact i trust these oils so much that i will only stand beind my motors if they run amsoil or redline.

 

[M8 Rider]

Synthetic Oils

Most people would agree that any of the top brand names would work great. Like AmsOil,Redline,Royal Purple,Arctic Cat APV,Polaris Gold,SkiDoo synthetic and many others. I used to run Royal Purple Sno-2c but I could buy Arctic Cat APV for $10.00 less so I went with that. Both have been great options for me. Just use the oil that fits your needs the best.

 

[geo]

Oil in the proper ratio is the most important, so don't think high priced oil will allow you to run higher mixture ratios. Poor engine will not like that (the other stuff like bearings which like to run in a bath). Synthetic oils need to run at higher mix ratios or they WILL gum your valves quicker than a good mineral because of higher flash points. The testing to prove the benefits of better protection of synthetic are not real 2 stroke world (who runs 2 hrs at max load).
The only synthetic I have not seen used is Legend. So the fancy shamtsy chemical engineering may have come up with somethings better but, my motor is happy and tight with the old stuff so don`t tell it please LOL.

A good mineral base and synthetic additives (called semi-synthetic) has stood the test of time and will protect the average Joe's engine very well. Two strokes haven't really changed in combustion temps (unlike modern 4 strokes and diesels) and aluminum still melts at the same temps.

Company`s make more money on synthetic and lab engineers test the oils in lab situations. Put the two together with accounting (profit) and warranty and of course they will specify synthetic.

The old oil squable. Funny thing is there have been many synthetics and their new formulas over the years (many many years) but they always compare to the old reliable. You have to ask yourself why mineral based oil is still around if it is so bad and the other stuff is so much better. Can`t be an overabundance of supply LOL.

Geo

 

[clutch man]

Oil in the proper ratio is the most important, so don't think high priced oil will allow you to run higher mixture ratios. Poor engine will not like that (the other stuff like bearings which like to run in a bath). Synthetic oils need to run at higher mix ratios or they WILL gum your valves quicker than a good mineral because of higher flash points. The testing to prove the benefits of better protection of synthetic are not real 2 stroke world (who runs 2 hrs at max load).
The only synthetic I have not seen used is Legend. So the fancy shamtsy chemical engineering may have come up with somethings better but, my motor is happy and tight with the old stuff so don`t tell it please LOL.

A good mineral base and synthetic additives (called semi-synthetic) has stood the test of time and will protect the average Joe's engine very well. Two strokes haven't really changed in combustion temps (unlike modern 4 strokes and diesels) and aluminum still melts at the same temps.

Company`s make more money on synthetic and lab engineers test the oils in lab situations. Put the two together with accounting (profit) and warranty and of course they will specify synthetic.

The old oil squable. Funny thing is there have been many synthetics and their new formulas over the years (many many years) but they always compare to the old reliable. You have to ask yourself why mineral based oil is still around if it is so bad and the other stuff is so much better. Can`t be an overabundance of supply LOL.

Geo

The fact that conventional oil is cheaper is why it is still out there and people still buy it, but for the life of me i cant see getting the cheap oil and putting it in a $11000.00 plus sled. That make no sense to me at all.
For a cat 800 a new crank is $1400.00, the labor to install it is $600 to $750 hmm i can buy alot of good oil just for the labor.

One more thing the new pistons for cat and Polaris our made from the toughs aluminum out there now and in fact do take allot more heat to melt. there piston now will take more than 100 degrees more than the earlier piston did.

Also i talked to a cat man that has sold cat and owned them for 30 years he said all new 2 stroke cats motors our made to run 50/1 synthetic oil.

 

[mynewuseddoo]

My team and I are also developing a line of bridges which we will be selling in the classified section on this site. The bridges are of the highest quality and have been wind tunnel tested.....we all remember what happened on that windy day a few years back eh? I've been running stock oil for as long as I've owned a snowmobile and my top end rebuilds look good. Haven't noticed any gumming or gunk. A buddy of mine runs Esso semi synthetic and he has never had a problem and its cheap.

 

[JasonAK]

Oil in the proper ratio is the most important, so don't think high priced oil will allow you to run higher mixture ratios. Poor engine will not like that (the other stuff like bearings which like to run in a bath). Synthetic oils need to run at higher mix ratios or they WILL gum your valves quicker than a good mineral because of higher flash points. The testing to prove the benefits of better protection of synthetic are not real 2 stroke world (who runs 2 hrs at max load).
The only synthetic I have not seen used is Legend. So the fancy shamtsy chemical engineering may have come up with somethings better but, my motor is happy and tight with the old stuff so don`t tell it please LOL.

A good mineral base and synthetic additives (called semi-synthetic) has stood the test of time and will protect the average Joe's engine very well. Two strokes haven't really changed in combustion temps (unlike modern 4 strokes and diesels) and aluminum still melts at the same temps.

Company`s make more money on synthetic and lab engineers test the oils in lab situations. Put the two together with accounting (profit) and warranty and of course they will specify synthetic.

The old oil squable. Funny thing is there have been many synthetics and their new formulas over the years (many many years) but they always compare to the old reliable. You have to ask yourself why mineral based oil is still around if it is so bad and the other stuff is so much better. Can`t be an overabundance of supply LOL.

Geo

Legend is a Mineral based oil.

Jason

 

[JasonAK]

The fact that conventional oil is cheaper is why it is still out there and people still buy it, but for the life of me i cant see getting the cheap oil and putting it in a $11000.00 plus sled. That make no sense to me at all.
For a cat 800 a new crank is $1400.00, the labor to install it is $600 to $750 hmm i can buy alot of good oil just for the labor.

One more thing the new pistons for cat and Polaris our made from the toughs aluminum out there now and in fact do take allot more heat to melt. there piston now will take more than 100 degrees more than the earlier piston did.

Also i talked to a cat man that has sold cat and owned them for 30 years he said all new 2 stroke cats motors our made to run 50/1 synthetic oil.

Did he tell you what parts are "MADE" for sysnthetic oil?

Jason

 

[geo]

OK, if you compare a 1970 Bultaco piston to a modern Suzuki piston, you're right pistons are better today LOL.

I've pulled apart to inspect or rebuild well over a 1000 engines in the past and present.
Never has a pure synthetic oil showed up as better than a mineral base as superior in the real world for wear and seal (some of the early stuff was actually junk IMO). This includes engines that are tuned to the highest HP per liter for world GPs.
Lot's of time the sticker on the tank says the synthetic sponser but the oil used was the mechanics pick from experience and visual inspection after on-track testing.

I trust my $13000 sled and my life possibly LOL, on the ESSO semi-syn (same as Yammalube) stuff. Inexpensive, clean, good seal, and lots of clean blue lube in the bottom end on inspections.
Met up with one of my old M7's this winter. Has a broken speedo now (sensor went out sometime a couple of years ago). Never been apart (did a little cheating inside) since I owned it. 14700 some miles on the odo.
My 08 M8 on its 3rd owner. 11300 plus miles.
All the miles on the "cheap" stuff.

Good to see that Legend is mineral based. Developer must know something.

Geo

 

[Cowboy1]

Legend is great stuff......Best i've run!