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stock Apex vs. stock Nytro
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MEAT
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never had any trouble on the open hills, once I learned you cant let off the throttle like you can on a 2 smoke and then get back on it. The only real problem was trying to stay up on the snow while moving slowly through the trees. Going up hill it was pretty hard to do. Do you guys think going to a challenger extreme and ditching the maverick would help out alot? How hard is it to change on an Apex?
Challenger extreme definitely helps on the Nytro. I've never attempted a trackswap on an Apex so I couldn't tell you how difficult it would be.
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khk
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Meat. you are getting some good info here. There is a big learning curve to boon docking any sled in the mountains and it is nothing you learn over night most of the people that say thy can hang with the 2 strokes in the trees probably have been riding for more than a year or two. experience is everything when it gets tight. You do have a great sled and if your going to take a hit on the difference between a new one put that money to work on your apex with lite wight stuff and get it clutched to your wight and altitude. the apex has one of the biggest tracks on the market and you should not have that muck problem floating on top of the snow at slow speeds that was on of the things I loved most about the apex. The camo track is a better track but it will not make you a better rider. Changing the track is not a big deal just take your time and pics if your not sure about it so you can refer back to them if you cant remember how thy went. Good luck
From what I have heard a set of Gen II's might help out with steering through the trees going up hill. They will keep the front end up and help with the flat and off-camber steering. I have not done it yet myself (can't afford to upgrade everything at once) but have heard nothing but praise.
Other than that...keep looking and thinking well ahead of the machine and keep the momentum up - that's one thing the Apex has in spades!
I've found bar risers really help. I added 4" and would like to add another 2-3".
I like the maverick in the powder. But I find it tends to spin on hard pack /spring snow where a challenger would give more hook-up. It also will not take any abuse (tossed a few paddles). I would think the time and effort would be better spend on lightening up the sled.
Drill the track, add riser, exhaust/seat, rear skid or 2 wheel rear axle, dump the extra skid wheels, dump the parking brake, rack, bumper, etc.
Other than that...keep looking and thinking well ahead of the machine and keep the momentum up - that's one thing the Apex has in spades!
I've found bar risers really help. I added 4" and would like to add another 2-3".
I like the maverick in the powder. But I find it tends to spin on hard pack /spring snow where a challenger would give more hook-up. It also will not take any abuse (tossed a few paddles). I would think the time and effort would be better spend on lightening up the sled.
Drill the track, add riser, exhaust/seat, rear skid or 2 wheel rear axle, dump the extra skid wheels, dump the parking brake, rack, bumper, etc.
mine's stock.....
I dunno, seems to go pretty good even carrying my, uh... substantial 240lb frame
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM0Dyv_4Gdc
If you're a bigger guy, I think the Apex is a better sled overall. A LOT more track and more HP takes you farther.
Cheers,
PistonBroke
I dunno, seems to go pretty good even carrying my, uh... substantial 240lb frame
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM0Dyv_4Gdc
If you're a bigger guy, I think the Apex is a better sled overall. A LOT more track and more HP takes you farther.
Cheers,
PistonBroke
I dunno, seems to go pretty good even carrying my, uh... substantial 240lb frame
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM0Dyv_4Gdc
If you're a bigger guy, I think the Apex is a better sled overall. A LOT more track and more HP takes you farther.
Cheers,
PistonBroke
yea ya seem to do real well
Apex info
Let me lend a little encouragement, I too wanted to dump the heavy pig the first year but after my second year I wouldn't trade it for anything but a Nytro with Boost. Do the light weight mods as mentioned. Seat, under tunnel exhaust, relocate lightweight battery, 2 wheel kit, dump all others, run Hyperfax, run 3" higher riser, lefty throttle, bumper & rack,Timbersled drop brackets.
Then learn how to carve with one hand and one leg, once you mastered that you can go anywhere any two stroke can go , I ride with all the manufacturers sleds and good riders. I can hang and even sometimes dissapoint the 2 smokers using less gas and NO oil! Practice, practice, practice, switching tracks will make a good difference also. Good luck!
Let me lend a little encouragement, I too wanted to dump the heavy pig the first year but after my second year I wouldn't trade it for anything but a Nytro with Boost. Do the light weight mods as mentioned. Seat, under tunnel exhaust, relocate lightweight battery, 2 wheel kit, dump all others, run Hyperfax, run 3" higher riser, lefty throttle, bumper & rack,Timbersled drop brackets.
Then learn how to carve with one hand and one leg, once you mastered that you can go anywhere any two stroke can go , I ride with all the manufacturers sleds and good riders. I can hang and even sometimes dissapoint the 2 smokers using less gas and NO oil! Practice, practice, practice, switching tracks will make a good difference also. Good luck!
I ride an 07 apex Se and absolutly love it. the motor is stock. I got it clutched right and have spent some money losing weight on it and set it up for me. I'm 6'1" and 275 and I have people ask me what kind of turbo is on there. they are shocked when I tell them none! It works well for me, but you have to learn to ride it. The rider can make it look good or bad. I,ve seen some "new light" sleds that can't do chit, with out a good rider!
If you end up keeping the Apex, make sure you take off about 100lbs. That's if you want your buddies to see you when you get stuck. I helped dig out an Apex last year, and with just 2 of us, it was a major PIA. That extra 150lbs is allot with just 2 guys. He ended up buying an XP this year. Traded it straight across for one. If you stayin stock, any of the new 800's will be a good fit for you.
Nice vid PistonBroke...good to see footage of a stock Apex with someone on it that can ride!
I have lighten the Apex by about 60 lbs and added 14/17 HP ,what a difference.I would have shaved even more but I added some weight to the suspension 6/8 Lbs for more reliability on the trail.
The riding skill is the cheapest fix, maybe your buddies should help you out with what your riding faults are each time you get stuck so you can prevent them. If your not aggressive the turbo will only make you a more out of control duff, things come at you alot quicker. Your first comment is that your a bigger guy, I am an rev chassis fan when it comes to 2 smokes, but the torque of the M1000 may suite you best.
If it was my decision, i would ride the apex this season and see how you do, and before spending cash to swap i would go the light weight route with what you have cuz you will save in rebuilds every year like on the 2 stroke
My 4cents
If it was my decision, i would ride the apex this season and see how you do, and before spending cash to swap i would go the light weight route with what you have cuz you will save in rebuilds every year like on the 2 stroke
My 4cents
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johnny be bad
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xp or dragon! you cant go wrong in the trees with either!
riser
Hey Meat!
Thanks for the kind words from and the other snowesters - gettin' all misty over here <sniff!>
The riser setup is a Powermadd pivot adapter + Powermadd 8" riser. No cables, brake lines or throttle cable needed extending. You do need to route the throttle just right so it's not under tension at full lock steering.
I've got no other mods on the sled except hand guards and I nuked the stupid gas rack...LOL
The tall riser is probably the single best thing you can do to help control the sled. I'm around 5'10" and this setup is just about right for solid standup position (IMHO).
Good luck with the sled. I've got 4000 miles on mine stock so far, still love it on every ride.
PistonBroke
Nice riding pistonbroke! that is pretty inspiring! What kind of risers do you have on there and what was involved in changing them? Any other mods?
Hey Meat!
Thanks for the kind words from and the other snowesters - gettin' all misty over here <sniff!>
The riser setup is a Powermadd pivot adapter + Powermadd 8" riser. No cables, brake lines or throttle cable needed extending. You do need to route the throttle just right so it's not under tension at full lock steering.
I've got no other mods on the sled except hand guards and I nuked the stupid gas rack...LOL
The tall riser is probably the single best thing you can do to help control the sled. I'm around 5'10" and this setup is just about right for solid standup position (IMHO).
Good luck with the sled. I've got 4000 miles on mine stock so far, still love it on every ride.
PistonBroke
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khk
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Hey Meat!
Thanks for the kind words from and the other snowesters - gettin' all misty over here <sniff!>
The riser setup is a Powermadd pivot adapter + Powermadd 8" riser. No cables, brake lines or throttle cable needed extending. You do need to route the throttle just right so it's not under tension at full lock steering.
I've got no other mods on the sled except hand guards and I nuked the stupid gas rack...LOL
The tall riser is probably the single best thing you can do to help control the sled. I'm around 5'10" and this setup is just about right for solid standup position (IMHO).
Good luck with the sled. I've got 4000 miles on mine stock so far, still love it on every ride.
PistonBroke
rider position makes a big diff. did you keep the stock clutching ? that was the first thing to go on mine and it was a huge improvement
clutch
Still stock clutching for now. All I've done is messed with the secondary tension a bit. What kit did you use that you like?
Thanks,
PB
Still stock clutching for now. All I've done is messed with the secondary tension a bit. What kit did you use that you like?
Thanks,
PB
Had a stock Apex and made it work...could ride with anyone, maybe not the highest mark or first pass through heavy timber. The sled was too labor intensive for my liking especially after riding my M1000. I can pretty much do anything I want on the M1000 with the limit being Weight vs HP which I estimate to be around 195 HP and 490 lbs. Near the end of the season I picked up a Nytro. I was really impressed with the sled, I'm still learning to ride it as it is so nimble. I'm currently boosting the Nytro and trying to sell the M1000 cause boost is just too fun. IMHO the Yammis are great sled, but without a serious power adder and maybe some weightloss they will not go everywhere you want (I want) at least not without alot of extra effort.
My .02$
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My .02$
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khk
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I used a Hartman clutch kit and was very happy with it Tom sets his kits up for your personal riding weight, altitude,and style of riding not one size fits all it was the first time I used his kit and now have one on 2 other sleds and thy all work great. I ride in lower elevation compared to most 3,000 to 6,000 and stock just didn't cut it.
