stock Apex vs. stock Nytro

[MEAT]

I have a stock 07 Apex mtn that I rode all last year. I like the sled but damn is it heavy and I'm not a small guy either. It was my first season last year and I learned alot. All the guys I ride with ride 2 stroke sleds. I just couldnt go where they could and I think trying and getting stuck was starting to get old for them. So my question is would I be happier riding a new Nytro this year and selling the Apex or am I going to be in the same boat? We ride the mountains here all the time and sometimes getting through the trees on the Apex to get up above the tree line was very difficult. I dont want a turbo, the cost is too high. So please give me your thoughts and dont crucify me if I go back to the 2 stroke.

 

[Duke]

I think you would be much happier on an XP or something like that, your buddies backs will be happier too. I rode mine 1/2 a season stock, I didnt mind it, but if I couldnt have boosted, I would have sold it for something with a better power to weight ratio. You wont be any happier with a Nytro. My $0.02. Good luck

AA

 

[khk]

I have had both a stock apex and a stock nytro and have the nytro boosted now.I don't think you will not be happy with the nytro the power to # is not that good. it is way different to ride than the apex but still with out it boosted I think you will be in the same spot you are now. thy are both great sleds but it took me some time before I could ride the same places I did with my 2 strokers and thy will not clime with a 2 stroke in stock form (just my 2 cents)

 

[Ultralord]

I would not think that you would gain enuf buy buing a nytro without boost you will be the last guy all the time but if you set the nyto up perfect you will be close and you will have a ball i love my sled but it is getting boost. If you cant or wont go boost then buy a cat,pol or a xp. the nytro is a way better sled does not ride near as heavy as the apex but it still needs about 75 hp.

 

[MEAT]

I appreciate the feedback guys, keep it coming. I like the 4 stroke reliability but I am looking at a 2009 M8 sno pro 162 as a replacement. the cats dont seem to make quite as much power as some of the other 8's but it also seems there is less going wrong with them as well. Damn that Nytro is a nice looking sled though.

 

[Ultralord]

I appreciate the feedback guys, keep it coming. I like the 4 stroke reliability but I am looking at a 2009 M8 sno pro 162 as a replacement. the cats dont seem to make quite as much power as some of the other 8's but it also seems there is less going wrong with them as well. Damn that Nytro is a nice looking sled though.

buy a m1000

 

[FriscoProx]

Selling your '07 Apex and buying a new m8 or m1000 is gonna be $4,000ish swing. You'd be along way towards an Apex turbo kit for that.

 

[tm8man414]

i agree with the other guys you wouldnt be happy with a nytro cuz of the power to weight ratio. and i have a 08 m8 snopro with boost but i still liked it when it was stock im 6,0ft and 155lbs. you said you were a bigger guy so i think you wouldnt be happy with a m8 so id go for a m1000 if its possible. and your correct on the reliability part of the arctic cats there is no two stroke that can beat them in that department. just my 2 cents. good luck with ur choice

 

[MEAT]

turbo installed up here seems to be in the $9k range. Thats alot of cash and it still wont help me when you gotta pick your way through the trees slowly uphill. It would be awesome blasting up a hill though.

 

[MEAT]

How does the stock Nytro climb compared to the stock Apex?

 

[Whiz-bang]

Stock for stock the Apex will outclimb the Nytro. It has more power, more track and more weight. The lighter weight is an advantage but not enough to out climb the Apex. The only way to ride a Nytro through the trees in the deep is on the gas and do not lose your momentum.

 

[powdermuncher]

Just spend a few grand on lightweight parts and you will love the Apex.

-Light skid with 2 wheel kit
-float shocks all around
-bark-buster frond end
-light weight pipe
- Mountain Mod seat
And some people will hang me on that one----
- A 15 wide Polaris track works awesome on the stock power sleds
Clutching is a must for tree riding and I like the handlebars about 2" higher


This sled is just as reliable as stock but 80+ pounds lighter and much easier to ride ( turn and carve)
It will outlast any new sled that you may buy 2 times over at a fraction of the cost. Not only that --- it is a custom sled set up for you ---- instead of being one of the sheep-herd on the latest thing in the showroom.

 

[EZmoney]

How does the stock Nytro climb compared to the stock Apex?

Stock Nitro really does not go that good, but hell nor does the apex.The two against each other, i think the apex would climb better.The Nitro has a good bottom and mid but a really poor top end. Myself i would turbo your Apex,You can boondock with a turbo apex and we all know how good they climb,but buying a turbo doesn't sound like its in your cards. If you going to switch it up for a sled check out the new M8 i agree with the others on this sled. There a nice sled with good power and there light and reliable or pick up a used 08.The guys i know that have them like them and the time i spent ridding theres i was impressed. Better make up your mind the snows going to start to fly!

 

[TBird]

I agree to all above, stock Apex MTX gets you further then an stock Nytro MTX!
I chose the boost path, with some modifications, you would really benefit some lighter components, such as:
1. Timbersled Barkbuster frontend, maybe also Fox Floats.
2. Relocate the battery to underneath the seat.
3. Timbersled dropdownbrackets.
Next step would dig deeper in the wallet:
4. Timbersled Mtn tamer skid, or Ski-Doo 162" skid.
5. Lightw seat, MountainMod or Boss
6. New tunnel, CR or VA or ....

There are no limitations what you CAN change, Yamaha is build STRONG and HEAVY, but theres a limit on how much i would spend, i love my sled and are going to keep it for a while, therefor i can change a couple of things each year

 

[bigbull]

I appreciate the feedback guys, keep it coming. I like the 4 stroke reliability but I am looking at a 2009 M8 sno pro 162 as a replacement. the cats dont seem to make quite as much power STOCK as some of the other 8's but it also seems there is less going wrong with them as well. Damn that Nytro is a nice looking sled though.

There, fixed it for ya!
BB

 

[M5-]

I don't know if you've been following used prices of Apexes lately but your Apex isn't going to fetch more than $6500 USD even if it has 0 miles on it. A new anything will be probably be in the 10K range, so if you look at it as if all that 3500 would go down the drain over time (1-2 seasons) that gives you quite a bit to play with. I think you would have a better sled keeping the Apex and dropping weight. 60-80 is quite doable on this sled for your $3500. A modded Apex will kill the Nytro all day long. As an added bonus you could slap a nitrous kit on your Apex and you'd be all set.

M5

 

[alrevedup]

The 07 Apex is a very good place to start, first set it up well and then learn to ride it!!!! Boost with out experience is only going to get you across the lake faster or worse......... get you up a climb that you end up rolling down!

we are all somewhere on the learning curve. We all know that guy that can take an old phazer almost any place we can go!!

2 stroke or 4 stroke

boost or no boost................the most important factor is the rider!!!

 

[Shawnmcgr]

There is also a lot technique to learn to boondock in the mountains. Last year was a steep learning curve and I'm sure this year will be to. It's a lot of sled to start out on and I'm sure some of the frustration you expereinced on an Apex you would have expereince on any sled.

The apex has it's strengths and weaknesses. It will not climb with stock 800s but I find it much more manuverable in deep snow. I ride with Revs and when we swap sleds the first thing they do is dump it on it's side 'cause they are used pulling harder on the Rev to lay it over.

If your going to leave it stock then, as others have said, dump some weight and get it set-up for your riding.

No point in selling for a loss - might as well boost.

 

[M5-]

The 07 Apex is a very good place to start, first set it up well and then learn to ride it!!!! Boost with out experience is only going to get you across the lake faster or worse......... get you up a climb that you end up rolling down!

we are all somewhere on the learning curve. We all know that guy that can take an old phazer almost any place we can go!!

2 stroke or 4 stroke

boost or no boost................the most important factor is the rider!!!

You got that right. How should a guy spend his money say in golf. New clubs or lessons? In the end probably the lessons.

M5

 

[Stlhead]

Wow, by reading this thread you would think a 4 stroke without a turbo could barely get off the truck. Not all 4 strokes get turbos, and not all riders need them to enjoy the mountains. I would look at the rider before I blamed the machine for not being able to hang with the group. An apex without a turbo may not set the high mark, but it should have no problem getting to the hill.