Speedwerx Supercharger kit??? WTF

[gus bohne]

Its a shame after all the yrs of trying that this is NOT DYNO PROVEN.
WHY ?
Those of us who have been pressure charging 2 strokes for 20 yrs know why.

Now go get some straight up usa hp numbers or just shut the **** up./
belt driven on a 2 stroke is just noise. always has been always will be.

No proof, still just big foot sightings and no real evidence to back your foolish claims.

please show some proof, or be relegated to the aerodisaster team of WE said it was on a dyno and thats good enough..LMAO// failure after failure after failure.

all just smoke and mirrors and deadmens money.

 

[m8magicandmystery]

Its a shame after all the yrs of trying that this is NOT DYNO PROVEN.
WHY ?
Those of us who have been pressure charging 2 strokes for 20 yrs know why.

Now go get some straight up usa hp numbers or just shut the **** up./
belt driven on a 2 stroke is just noise. always has been always will be.

No proof, still just big foot sightings and no real evidence to back your foolish claims.

please show some proof, or be relegated to the aerodisaster team of WE said it was on a dyno and thats good enough..LMAO// failure after failure after failure.

all just smoke and mirrors and deadmens money.

Pu$$ycat...learn to say whats on your mind...

 

[EDP]

Its a shame after all the yrs of trying that this is NOT DYNO PROVEN.
WHY ?
Those of us who have been pressure charging 2 strokes for 20 yrs know why.

Now go get some straight up usa hp numbers or just shut the **** up./
belt driven on a 2 stroke is just noise. always has been always will be.

No proof, still just big foot sightings and no real evidence to back your foolish claims.

please show some proof, or be relegated to the aerodisaster team of WE said it was on a dyno and thats good enough..LMAO// failure after failure after failure.

all just smoke and mirrors and deadmens money.

Its shame that people think a dyno number is everything. Yes it has been on a dyno and yes there is a sled out grass drag racing backing up the dyno number.

I am not at liberty to post the dyno graph. If I was I would have no reason not to show numbers, but then again I have scene this setup side by side to a very well turbo setup m8.

A dyno has one main purpose and that be of a tuning tool. If you leave the dyno session with more hp then when you began then it was a good day. You can take the same setup to to three different dynos and have three different numbers.

Simple marketing tool is all a solid hp number is. Kit A makes 180 hp on pump gas. Kit B on this guys dyno made 220 hp on pump gas. Both companies claim if you want to go up on boost you would need to run Race Gas. Side by Side on the hill they are neck and neck. Conclusion we all know is that the M8 needs Race Gas around the 200 mark.

I guess having well known name riders test piloting it and giving feedback means nothing as well. We all need to see that little piece of paper from DynoTech stating how much hp said setup made. I even think at one point there was a video floating around here of the Zollinger Family out testing with Ripcharger. I believe Nate may have rode one a couple years back at Jackson that Cutler put together.

I have been on many BB kits that were said to put down big hp numbers at dyno tech only to be a mere couple feet ahead of a stock displacement on the hill.

So with this all now known facts we can all sleep at night:

1. If 10 people on the internet stat a company's customer service sucks, it sucks for everybody and we all need to trash them. BC us 10 have a higher combined post count then the whole forum.

2. Nothing makes hp gains unless said rider or dyno states it.

3. A supercharger will never work on a two stroke even though there is video of it in action on numerous ocasions.

4. If you have not or can not see it for ones self in your own little riding area that I dont want any body to know about bc flatlanders will over run it then it is black magic or big foot.

5. Current Turbo kits are the best ever known to the industry and there is no need to even further develop the current setups even though there is major areas for improvement for one guy to run with just to see the others follow.

6. Lastly and most importantly Mr BackCountry was ripped by SW and he is the fly on the wall at my shop, hes got the inside scoop about both companies take his word as facts.

Threads like this are reasons many Companies dont use the forums as mush as we scene in the past. Way to many keyboard cowboys that have scene and done it all.

 

[ACMtnCat]

Here's another vid that shows this supercharged m8 barley beating a piped m8. Is that what a guy gets for $6,000? No thanks!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eEX--gM1Hk

 

[m8magicandmystery]

Here's another vid that shows this supercharged m8 barley beating a piped m8. Is that what a guy gets for $6,000? No thanks!

http://m.youtube.com/index?client=mv-verizon-us&desktop_uri=/?client=mv-verizon-us

i can't get to the vids...can ya post them on here instead of the link...??

 

[m8magicandmystery]

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Threads like this are reasons many Companies dont use the forums as mush as we scene in the past. Way to many keyboard cowboys that have scene and done it all.

if a product speaks for itself it has no problem defeating these types of threads as a end result..all a product has to do is walk the talk...

 

[gus bohne]

You have a very narrow window of comparison then son.
Yes, dyno proof is the end all, all the vids of your bigfoot , shot from behind a tree 300 yrds out are pittifull to say the least.
If your hero was to prove he is superman and not another novice #1 qualifier then maybe some poor fool would start the bigfoot race league.

END THE DRAMA MAMMA<, the best you can do is sing the I saw bigfoot song .

No proof only more mirrors.. thanks for the laughs. hope to see a one getting towed by another stocker..and ya, superchargers do work till .9 p/r. then its all noise.

I will pay for your dyno session at dynotech if you can prove me wrong.

 

[specialk6r]

I think this is the link he meant to post: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eEX--gM1Hk

I was really excited about the supercharger, and if it could honestly keep up with a PG turbo for $6000 I think the premium price would be a deal for the lack of lag - especially considering that you pay for new technology. However, this test is controlled by the manufacturer so I believe we can assume that these results (about 5-10 ft ahead of a stocker) are the BEST case scenario. So how does an average supercharged M8 run? A little slower than stock?

Also, in this test video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ek0blQg3wc they claim, "Speedwerx Procharged M8 at 5psi out highmarked a good running M10 by about 5ft. EVERY HIT! Both sleds 153" tracks both rider weights the same both in fresh powder."

Really? 5 feet? I put my okay running BDPG M8 at 7 lbs up to my M1000 and the turbo would blow over the top of hills that the 1000 could only make it 2/3 the way up.

So don't get me wrong, I want to like this product, but I'm going to need to see/hear something a little better than it being within arms reach of an M1000.

 

[hd4rob]

This kit really does not need much tech support.
Every Performance shop struggles in the phone support we all know that. Its tough to find good help that does not feel like they need 50k a year and work 40 hours a week. And now with the great Obama in office another 4 years its only going to get worse. I have gone through many sales people through out the years. It take a unique person to love what they do and have the patience of a saint to deal with the day to day responsibilities as well as having the knowledge at the same time. Myself I stick any extra funds profited into more product development which most your performance shops do the same. So when purchasing small little things that many of your major eCommerce guys offer it helps to buy from those that actually RnD and develop products for your industry first think to support them in chance to develope more new and exciting products so we can put them on the net and trash them before knowing all facts.


I am here to help you guys and the understanding of forced induction not looking to trash companies or consumers so if you have actual tech questions fee free to ask.

I am not stating gods gift of knowledge on boost or forced induction for that there is always some one out there smarter but I do have a very long history in dealing with forced induction and how it works.

Again I am here to help with your questions or concerns if you have issues with certain companies please keep them to yourself.

This is the problem, companies don't want to pay for good help. 50k for a guy that can sit on the phone and sell and tech your products is a bargain. You Would rather pay somebody 25k that can misdiagnose problems and treat your paying customers like chit. We are not talking about buying a pair of socks at walmart, we are talking about $6000 kits that people will have questions about. The guy that you pay 50k(if he deserves it) will easily make double that for the company. You see everyones point that $6000 is to much, just like your 50k tech is to much. At your first talked pricing, I would be running two of these kits, then you brought speedwerx in to things, jacked the price and then get pizzed when people call foul. I have never had a speedwerx power enhancing product live up to their straight up USA claims. In fact most times it cost way more to fix their wrongs. Cracked pipes, warped 02 bungs, melted hoods, and I can keep going. Their alloy springs are the only worthwhile product they have.

 

[specialk6r]

3.[/B] A supercharger will never work on a two stroke even though there is video of it in action on numerous ocasions.

EDP, I'm sorry if this sounds like I'm jumping on the hate bandwagon, because I really am a fan of the claims this product makes. 210 hp with no lag sounds like my perfect sled. I'm aware that supercharged sleds have proven that they can start and move under their own weight (proven by the cell-phone quality videos on Speedwerxs website) but can you direct us to a video of a supercharged M8 doing more than just barely outclimbing a stocker? At 10,000 feet a boosted 210 hp sled has nearly double the power of a weezing N/A sled, so are you telling me that an extra 100 hp only gets you 5-10 feet higher than a stock sled?

Thanks for any insight.

 

[EDP]

To each there own....

If I could afford a sales guy at $50K a year and he was making his salary and then some for the company I would be all for it. I am always taking applications. You guys have to realize how much time and money goes into a product before it is released.

Trust me the supercharger price is not huge margins for just cost to retail and that does not include the time and money involved into RnD.

I intend on logging many hours of riding this winter snow dependent. So if any would like to see BigFoot keep an eye out for my post I will try and post when and where I will be for any that may be of interest.

Until then lash out and trash I will respond to tech questions.

 

[HOOCH256]

Hey EDP, you should load up a couple of those beauties and bring them to the Snowest annual forum ride in Cooke City on presidents day weekend feb 15-18th and let us fellow snowestrs toss a leg over them! Cmon HM turbos is going to be there too and maybe timbersled, it'll be great fun!!!!!!


Sent from my super duper sweet iPhone using Tapatalk when I should be doing something productive!

 

[specialk6r]

I believe my tech question was taken as "lashing out" so I'll rephrase, and again this isn't rhetorical, I'm actually interested in your product:

If a supercharger barely pulls a stocker like in the first link that I posted, does a supercharger make marginal power gains or is the sled that Speedwerx brought to a TV shoot running poorly? Is it comparable to a CPC stage 2 in terms of performance (as you suggested) or does it highmark a M1000 by 5 feet (as Speedwerx suggested.)

Also, do you have any plans to come to Togwotee or anywhere near Jackson Hole? If so, please PM me when/where and what kind of beer your crew prefers. I'd love to see your sleds in action.

 

[m8magicandmystery]

I believe my tech question was taken as "lashing out" so I'll rephrase, and again this isn't rhetorical, I'm actually interested in your product:

If a supercharger barely pulls a stocker like in the first link that I posted, does a supercharger make marginal power gains or is the sled that Speedwerx brought to a TV shoot running poorly? Is it comparable to a CPC stage 2 in terms of performance (as you suggested) or does it highmark a M1000 by 5 feet (as Speedwerx suggested.)

Also, do you have any plans to come to Togwotee or anywhere near Jackson Hole? If so, please PM me when/where and what kind of beer your crew prefers. I'd love to see your sleds in action.

x2..i am sincerly wishing this product success as i would love to consider it.Im just not sold on it and i am completely open to be convinced otherwise to purchase it. So please keep us up to date with vids and comparisions and unbaised testimonials...thanx

 

[EDP]

I believe my tech question was taken as "lashing out" so I'll rephrase, and again this isn't rhetorical, I'm actually interested in your product:

If a supercharger barely pulls a stocker like in the first link that I posted, does a supercharger make marginal power gains or is the sled that Speedwerx brought to a TV shoot running poorly? Is it comparable to a CPC stage 2 in terms of performance (as you suggested) or does it highmark a M1000 by 5 feet (as Speedwerx suggested.)

Also, do you have any plans to come to Togwotee or anywhere near Jackson Hole? If so, please PM me when/where and what kind of beer your crew prefers. I'd love to see your sleds in action.

x2..i am sincerly wishing this product success as i would love to consider it.Im just not sold on it and i am completely open to be convinced otherwise to purchase it. So please keep us up to date with vids and comparisions and unbaised testimonials...thanx

Each of these video's were taken very early on in RnD.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7CTSgwxs10
This sled it was up against here was an estimated 160-170hp sled Naturally aspirated. video quality is poor but this was pretty fresh snow. Listen to how hard the M8 is laboring at the top and did not go up and out. Start of hill to top of hill I would say it is atleast a 10 sled length swing for the Procharged sled

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ek0blQg3wc

This video was up against a very well setup M10 built by a very well known shop aprox hp on the M10 was 190-200 area.

The sled in the tv shoot I can not respond on for that I was not with that trip. I do know it was the first time the setup was at that particular elevation and riding area. As well as very early on last fall. We have all scene it happen where 9k ft at Certain area react differently then 9k ft at a different riding area. Example Snowy Range and Rabbit Ears are very similar in elevation but sled will run differently per location. No excuse just stating what we have scene this time and time again even with NA setups.
On another note turbo or supercharger end result is always the same the longer the pull on motor the harder it pulls up top. (as long as intake temps stay in check)

Which brings up a good topic is that a super charger properly setup will produce lower Intake Air Temps which in end result will create a more consistent power curve.

I believe there is already a few sleds in the tog area running this setup. I may be in the jackson area late to mid Feb. Will keep posted.

 

[rusty rider]

Ok, im jumpin in, I built a turbo machine up last year and before i ordered the kit I was considering a supercharger. Partly the reason why I didnt go that route was because of videos like that, and also when it was introduced at first it was much cheaper than its is advertised now. If this supercharger was actually working as well as turbos we wouldnt be watching footage from a cell phone a half mile away. This is just purely from a consumers view point on why I didnt buy your product. I too really wanted to see this product achieve what it was sounded out like to be. I guess thats life, wish in one hand and sh!t in another. Good luck with the supercharger, would be fun to have another option for forced induction on a snowmachine.

 

[specialk6r]

This sled it was up against here was an estimated 160-170hp sled Naturally aspirated. This video was up against a very well setup M10 built by a very well known shop aprox hp on the M10 was 190-200 area.

Yup, those are the two cell-phone videos from Speedwerx website, wherein a supercharged sled beats a sled of undisclosed build (could by a M6 for all we know) by 3 seconds on a long pull, and then supposedly "highmarks" another sled that isn't even on camera. It would take an extremely gullible buyer to drop $6,000 with that being the only proof that the product goes. Especially when there are hundreds of videos of every type of turbo wheeling up huge hills and smoking N/A sleds. Are supercharger owners the only ones in the world who don't have Go-Pros (I don't either, but I thought I was the last one)?

Still, I'm very excited to see how these things run in real life. What's the best way to make this happen? I have 2 boosted M8s and one is for sale, so I may be in the market very soon.

 

[Vi-PEC Powersports]

Each of these video's were taken very early on in RnD.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7CTSgwxs10
This sled it was up against here was an estimated 160-170hp sled Naturally aspirated. video quality is poor but this was pretty fresh snow. Listen to how hard the M8 is laboring at the top and did not go up and out. Start of hill to top of hill I would say it is atleast a 10 sled length swing for the Procharged sled

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ek0blQg3wc

This video was up against a very well setup M10 built by a very well known shop aprox hp on the M10 was 190-200 area.

The sled in the tv shoot I can not respond on for that I was not with that trip. I do know it was the first time the setup was at that particular elevation and riding area. As well as very early on last fall. We have all scene it happen where 9k ft at Certain area react differently then 9k ft at a different riding area. Example Snowy Range and Rabbit Ears are very similar in elevation but sled will run differently per location. No excuse just stating what we have scene this time and time again even with NA setups.
On another note turbo or supercharger end result is always the same the longer the pull on motor the harder it pulls up top. (as long as intake temps stay in check)

Which brings up a good topic is that a super charger properly setup will produce lower Intake Air Temps which in end result will create a more consistent power curve.

I believe there is already a few sleds in the tog area running this setup. I may be in the jackson area late to mid Feb. Will keep posted.

Would be interested to give this setup a try on our engine dyno with our ac800 standalone ecu coming in on the third week of december...... Would realy like to test on of these. If interested, PM me and i have a brand new pro climb 800 in the shop for testing .

 

[skiwiz]

50 [special] K

Need details on the job requirements , you got my number !

 

[backcountryislife]

Which brings up a good topic is that a super charger properly setup will produce lower Intake Air Temps which in end result will create a more consistent power curve.

One of your customers was on here this spring though talking about his setup, and the charge temps he posted were higher than non intercooled sleds around here, why was his so high?

Btw... you play a great victim, but nobody bashed him, nobody told him his setup was a POS. He gave some info, and we tried to get a better idea of how that setup compared. Nobody gives a crap about post count, the only thing that gives anyone any kind of reputation around here is offering helpful advice and helping folks out.