A local shop had them in stock.
Soggy Butt Syndrome (SBS)
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The Gore-Tex guarantee doesn't seem as solid as it used to.
Normal wear and tear can be applied after little use.
Normal wear and tear can be applied after little use.
I got 5 good years out of my Havoks. I guess that is all one can expect. They are in perfect shape except for the worn butt though. I wish I could just repair that area.
As far as warranty goes… They just tell me that it is wear and tear.They were supposed to be guaranteed waterproof that is, until you rip a bunch of holes in them from normal use. They used to be great about warranting things but now might as well not have any warranty at all.
Got 4 rides in on my Klim scout, perfectly dry. I move around a lot on the seat, I used to get SBS on the trail up, 10 minutes into the ride, from banging along the sides and side hilling beside the trail. Klim website specs for the scout say it has a TPU (thermoplastic polyurethane) material for the butt fabric, I don't believe it's breathable at all but it doesn't need to be imo as long as the rest of the suit is breathable.
I did have an issue with the internal gaiter thingy that has Velcro on it. I went to pull the Velcro apart and the stitching that holds the Velcro on all tore off. I'm very careful and go slow now when I pull on that Velcro. Need to contact Klim about warranty for that
I did have an issue with the internal gaiter thingy that has Velcro on it. I went to pull the Velcro apart and the stitching that holds the Velcro on all tore off. I'm very careful and go slow now when I pull on that Velcro. Need to contact Klim about warranty for that
That makes total sense.
Waterproof seat and let everything else breath.
Im gonna try to get something with a leather seat area like they do for the lower legs.
I have three sets of Klim gear, one set being used almost still water proof, one set I wear when plowing snow that is no longer good enough for a day on the sno bike, my original set I threw in my bigger dirt bike bag and wear when ever its muddy and gears going to be a solid mud bath. Boots about the same, I haven't wore any of them totally out, just no longer water proof.
3-4 years is about max life for gore tex no matter who is sewing it in their gear. always works great new, but I guesss dirt and sweat and flexing renders its a non player. I noticed years back my original Klim jacket was no longer even close to water proof on the tops of my shoulders on a rainly ride out of the Joko. So you can understand the seat of pants taking a lot of abuse and going away, but the tops of the sleeves of a a jacket, reinforces the idea that gore tex has a working life, then its done.
So now I'm looking ahead to new riding gear................and, I don't see any thing as good as goretex and its 4 year life.
3-4 years is about max life for gore tex no matter who is sewing it in their gear. always works great new, but I guesss dirt and sweat and flexing renders its a non player. I noticed years back my original Klim jacket was no longer even close to water proof on the tops of my shoulders on a rainly ride out of the Joko. So you can understand the seat of pants taking a lot of abuse and going away, but the tops of the sleeves of a a jacket, reinforces the idea that gore tex has a working life, then its done.
So now I'm looking ahead to new riding gear................and, I don't see any thing as good as goretex and its 4 year life.
Have you used any sympatex gear? Works on a different principle than goretex. I think 509 is using it on their new suits and Tobe has been using it for a while. I understand it doesn't need any maintenance like goretex does with the chemicals you throw in when you wash the gear
I have not bought any gear with that membrane. I see it commonly used in a lot of dual sport rain suits, but haven''t tried it.
I just spent my noon ho ur and a half researching sympatex. German company thats real serious about their product, thats good. A lot of reviews of garments with their membrane, but none from snow bikes or sleds. Everyboday talks rain test and no leaky seams, but butt pounding on snow melted by your hard working hindend , trapped between your pants and vinyl seat cover, no memtion of that. But, KTM has jackets made with this material and ski doo i promoting their snowmobile suits with the sympatex membrane, maybe there are some reviews from Sledders on butt wetting. Anyone out there ????
I bought the 509 Ether suit with the new material. SBS galore. My other gear is 509 Stoke bibs and jacket and they have kept me dry. I believe they are 5tech pro material. I really wanted to try the Tobe Rex but at 1100 it's a bit much to just tear it up on a bike
How To Make Any Fabric Waterproof Using Hardware Store Materials
Pretty neat video on an easy way to make waterproof fabric using common hardware store bought material. In the video silicone waterproofing is applied to old sheets to make tarps but if you wanted to get crafty and go for a garment I suppose you could put a whole in said tarp and you gotchaself […]
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I'm going to try this on my shredded klim bibs. I'll make it thick enough to paint on.
I’m curious as to the deflectors that you are referring to. Do you have any pictures?
I would be interested in hearing how this goes for you. I feel like it would get rubbed off very quickly?How To Make Any Fabric Waterproof Using Hardware Store Materials
Pretty neat video on an easy way to make waterproof fabric using common hardware store bought material. In the video silicone waterproofing is applied to old sheets to make tarps but if you wanted to get crafty and go for a garment I suppose you could put a whole in said tarp and you gotchaself […]
I'm going to try this on my shredded klim bibs. I'll make it thick enough to paint on.
Naptha/silicone worked great. I've got over 100 miles on it and it's not wearing off. I did two coats on my butt area. The first coat soaked into the goretex and kept an almost original sheen. The 2nd coat layered on top and looks like a rubber panel sewn on. I would try just 1 coat if you worry about looks. The last 2 days were wet spring snow and my legs and jacket were soaked but my butt was dry.
Found these leather reinforced bibs from the manufacturer.
Ewt sport line in the Facebook snowbiking groups.
Dry butt every ride!
Leather legs and knee's too.
