So Who Won.

[JSCC]

That statement is true. SHOW ME PROOF that Al Quada was there before. Saddam would have NEVER allowed it.

How about you SHOW ME PROOF that there was not Al Quada in Iraq prior to our invasion?
We had Al Quada in our own country, does that mean that we allowed it? Hell no, it means we didnt know, nor maybe did Hussein.

 

[justadude]

I did not see the debate. I did see the wirl wind spin going on on both sides in he late night news!! WOW!! So transparent it was almost comical but actually more sociopathic than anything.!!

These people are f'n sad!!!!

Both sides!!

 

[tudizzle]

I like how McCain was handed dog tags on the tarmac as he got off of plane last week. Then he talks about it like he is all surprised. Like a peron could just walk up to him, on the tarmac without having the entire thing cleared by secret service. lol

I wish both sides would stick to discussing the issues rather than trying to sidetrack the public with these preplanned photo ops.

 

[EventsInTheChamber]

I like how McCain was handed dog tags on the tarmac as he got off of plane last week. Then he talks about it like he is all surprised. Like a peron could just walk up to him, on the tarmac without having the entire thing cleared by secret service. lol

I wish both sides would stick to discussing the issues rather than trying to sidetrack the public with these preplanned photo ops.

Dog Tags Incident - Staged?

Your not the only one thinking this...

 

[TheFlyingFynn]

Guys its all staged...this is a political election anything real has been long since killed and burried.

Fynn

 

[Work - Never]

I recorded and watched the entire debate. The whole debate made me sick. All I could think the whole time was one of these guys is suppose to be an articulate speaker. (I have seen high school debaters that could embarrass him) The other guy is a career politician and I have riding buddies that would make better presidents. How in the world did we get to this point? Neither of these candidates has an honest bone in their body. They were both saying what ever they thought they had to say to get the votes. I have never liked either one of them, but I at least had some respect for McCain. Now even that is gone. Once again I head to the polls convinced it’s a lose-lose situation.

If this is the best we have to offer we are in a very sad state.

My recommendation is this. They both need to be hooked up to a lie detector for the next debate. When they start to lie it needs to send a shock wave into their body, much like a bark collar for a dog. Better yet, I can tell when they're lying. Just give me a remote and I'll sit off stage and hit the bottom every time they start to pander us.

The sad part is they really believe we are all stupid enought to buy into this crap. They really think they are smarter and all of us put together. There both pathological liars on a power trip.

 

[milehighassassin]

How about you SHOW ME PROOF that there was not Al Quada in Iraq prior to our invasion?
We had Al Quada in our own country, does that mean that we allowed it? Hell no, it means we didnt know, nor maybe did Hussein.

How do you prove something that did not exist?


That is like me trying to prove the boogie man is not real.

 

[ruffryder]

How do you prove something that did not exist?


That is like me trying to prove the boogie man is not real.

Hey, there is no logic allowed here! You sure you don't have an email that got forwarded to you that proves that they weren't there? ha ha....

 

[JSCC]

How do you prove something that did not exist?


That is like me trying to prove the boogie man is not real.

By proving that in fact they were not there........Just because you do not believe it, does not make it fact. Some of the worlds best people in intellegence believed them to be there. Who are you to say otherwise? Watch to much television much?

And who said the boogie man isn't real....

 

[milehighassassin]

Before you can disprove something, someone else has to show it to be true.
That hasn't happened. There is NO evidence that Al Quada operated in Iraq.

Read The Iraq Study Group Report.

 

[JSCC]

Before you can disprove something, someone else has to show it to be true.
That hasn't happened. There is NO evidence that Al Quada operated in Iraq.

Read The Iraq Study Group Report.

Hahahaha, here is a link to the report. I think you need to reread it before you place facts on this report......

Anyone can put together a group of individuals with the same motives and call it a consensus.
Nice report, biased much?

Here's a couple snippets from there report. Boy can hindsight be 20/20

"The situation in Iraq is grave and deteriorating. There is no path that can guarantee success, but
the prospects can be improved."

"There is no guarantee for success in Iraq. The situation in Baghdad and several provinces is dire.
Saddam Hussein has been removed from power and the Iraqi people have a democratically
elected government that is broadly representative of Iraq’s population, yet the government is not
adequately advancing national reconciliation, providing basic security, or delivering essential
services. The level of violence is high and growing. There is great suffering, and the daily lives
of many Iraqis show little or no improvement. Pessimism is pervasive."

"3. More Troops for Iraq
Sustained increases in U.S. troop levels would not solve the fundamental cause of violence in
Iraq, which is the absence of national reconciliation. A senior American general told us that
adding U.S. troops might temporarily help limit violence in a highly localized area. However,
past experience indicates that the violence would simply rekindle as soon as U.S. forces are
moved to another area. As another American general told us, if the Iraqi government does not
make political progress, “all the troops in the world will not provide security.” Meanwhile,
America’s military capacity is stretched thin: we do not have the troops or equipment to make a
substantial, sustained increase in our troop presence. Increased deployments to Iraq would also
necessarily hamper our ability to provide adequate resources for our efforts in Afghanistan or
respond to crises around the world."




http://www.usip.org/isg/iraq_study_group_report/report/1206/iraq_study_group_report.pdf

After all this, I still cannot find one actual fact that proves Al Quada was not in Iraq.

 

[ruffryder]

After all this, I still cannot find one actual fact that proves Al Quada was not in Iraq.

What MH is saying is that you need to prove the opposite. Why would the report say that Al Qaeda was not in Iraq before the US invaded? You need to look for something that says Al Quada WAS in Iraq before the US invaded, and if nothing is found, then the default is that they weren't there....

Kind of like trying to prove that the sky is red. You will have a very difficult time finding something that say's the sky isn't red. But it would be easy to find something that says the sky is blue.....(don't get all technical on me, I know it is just the reflection on water vapor from the ocean....at least I think that is what it makes it blue) Not sure if that put the argument into perspective or not...

What you are trying to do is an argument fallacy... Not sure which one, but I think it is one....

From the report

It is now a base of operations for international
terrorism, including al Qaeda.

Key word is now.... meaning it wasn't before....

That is all I really could find from the report...

 

[JSCC]

What MH is saying is that you need to prove the opposite. Why would the report say that Al Qaeda was not in Iraq before the US invaded? You need to look for something that says Al Quada WAS in Iraq before the US invaded, and if nothing is found, then the default is that they weren't there....

Kind of like trying to prove that the sky is red. You will have a very difficult time finding something that say's the sky isn't red. But it would be easy to find something that says the sky is blue.....(don't get all technical on me, I know it is just the reflection on water vapor from the ocean....at least I think that is what it makes it blue) Not sure if that put the argument into perspective or not...

What you are trying to do is an argument fallacy... Not sure which one, but I think it is one....

From the report
Key word is now.... meaning it wasn't before....

That is all I really could find from the report...

I fully understand what he is trying to say. All I am saying is before we went to war, most of our intelligence agency's said there were infact Weapons of Mass......, Al qaeda, yada yada yada. Hence, I do not need to prove anything. They should know more than all of us. What you and MH are saying, is you dont believe it, so prove it. I unfortunately, dont have the time, nor interest in trying to dig up enough info to satisfy you. But I still enjoy the banter, so here I am......

 

[RideCo]

You guys giving out your red/ green dots are awesome
I didn't know we were in the third grade still.

My point is beware of the media REGARDLESS of whom you are backing in the election.

If you think that certain media outlets are not biased you have your head buried in the sand.

Please, for the love of our country read/listen to everything you can, and make your own decision.

 

[ruffryder]

you and MH are saying, is you don't believe it, so prove it.

Not exactly, we are saying there is no proof that Al Quada was in Iraq before we were. Therefore they weren't.

What you are saying is that since there isn't any proof that they weren't in Iraq, then they were there.....

Slightly different arguments... one is proving a positive and one is proving a negative, which is very difficult to do..