So, I was talking to this "greenie" gal.....

[WingNutRacing]

Well, last night at the bar I met a gal who for some reason wanted to talk to me. Well after a little bit of nowhere conversation, I discovered she was kind of a "greenie" gal, no big surprise in Missoula MT. That got me goin on why her opinions of 2-stroke motors were so negative. After some inquisitive searching, I discovered she was completely ignorant to all the new and cleaner technology that 2-stroke engines are equiped with. I asked her if she had read any recent literature on emissions tests or ever heard of the clean sled competitions. She ended up lieing to me and said yes. I then asked her if a 2-stroke sled engine had ever won that competition, and she said "HELL NO", well of course she is wrong. She bought me a beer and thanked me for the intelligent conversation, I just told her the pleasure was all mine and turned around and walked away......

This just proved to me that most of these younger people that think the way they do is do to them just jumping on some sort of band wagon and riding it out, without even knowing any sort of actual facts. Now if you asked me that is just plain ignorance, apparantly the think for yourself clause they live by doesn't really apply. I wish these people would get with the times and do some current research, instead of relying on old information....

after all, she wasn't that cute

 

[I8URCAT]

Next time.....

Drop her off at the corner of Banger and Leever.

 

[Wade]

She's obviously clueless. Or, she would have told you that the 2 stroke sled didn't win due to it's cleanliness, it won because it was the best all around sled there. Although, the 2 stroke was much cleaner than some of the 4 strokes there. It wasn't the cleanest. They used marine 2 stroke injectors to make the sled a fully direct injected 2 stroke.

But, you would still have been technically right though.

It just proves my point, environmentalism has become a religion. You just have to have faith, and not question what they tell you. Doesn't the 1st amendment protect me from such things.

Wade

 

[Dogmeat]

Shouldda asked her to sign the petition banning DiHydrogen Monoxide

 

[02prox440]

Drop her off at the corner of Banger and Leever.

lmfao......cant say ive ever heard that one before

 

[LPIdaho]

Shouldda asked her to sign the petition banning DiHydrogen Monoxide

is that right? I've always wondered.

 

[modsledr]

Drop her off at the corner of Banger and Leever.

just wondering if you're EVER going to have something intelligent to add to a post?


As for the greenie, sounds like a good exchange. These types are the ones who can be educated a little....and while they may never join our side, at least will be more open minded to reality.

modsledr

 

[WingNutRacing]

I think one of my buddies ended up with one of her friends, he must be in hiding today, either that or he's missin an arm??

 

[DValentine]

Were you down at the Rhino, or Charlie B's?

 

[WingNutRacing]

na, I can't hardly stand to go into those anymore, we were at a high class joint, the Silver Dollar. Lot's of times, if you can't get a date with a gal, at least you can bum a chew off her!

 

[ruffryder]

yes you are right that they make cleaner and quite 2 strokes for outboards and for snowmobiles. But you are wrong in the 2stroke vs. 4 stroke cleanliness argument. The only reason 2 strokes are around still in those arenas is due to the fact that the emissions requirements are/have been very lax compared to automotive use. This is starting to change as we are seeing with the 2008 and again with the 2010 emissions. Once they get to the point of having the same emissions requirements as auto's which are getting stricter all the time, the 2 stroke will be dead, or at least very expensive compared to a 4 stroke.

It is important for recreational users to remember that our emissions requirements were not very stringent 10 years ago. This is changing quite rapidly to become on par with 4 strokes I am not sure when that will occur, or even if it ever will. But 2 strokes are definitely not cleaner than 4 strokes.

Oh and Idaho placed 6th out of 7 competitors in emissions. It was not the cleanest.

Check out the results

http://www.mtukrc.org/csc2007_download.htm

Out.

 

[R J]

Wingnut, it's what the democratic party is all about. People like her are our biggest threat in this society right now. It's people with far out views that are based not on research and fact but political agendas and as you called it bandwagon riders.

Examples of such:
1) Global warming
2) Vegitarians. (We all know it's because they want to be different or stand up for something. All the while they just make them selves look like idiots that aren't enjoying the finer things in life)
3) There is more but I'll save them

 

[Rush44]

na, I can't hardly stand to go into those anymore, we were at a high class joint, the Silver Dollar. Lot's of times, if you can't get a date with a gal, at least you can bum a chew off her!

Ahhh the Dirty Dollar.... the only place to find a true Montana girl. What the hell was this greenie doing in there?

 

[H20SKE]

yes you are right that they make cleaner and quite 2 strokes for outboards and for snowmobiles. But you are wrong in the 2stroke vs. 4 stroke cleanliness argument. The only reason 2 strokes are around still in those arenas is due to the fact that the emissions requirements are/have been very lax compared to automotive use. This is starting to change as we are seeing with the 2008 and again with the 2010 emissions. Once they get to the point of having the same emissions requirements as auto's which are getting stricter all the time, the 2 stroke will be dead, or at least very expensive compared to a 4 stroke.

It is important for recreational users to remember that our emissions requirements were not very stringent 10 years ago. This is changing quite rapidly to become on par with 4 strokes I am not sure when that will occur, or even if it ever will. But 2 strokes are definitely not cleaner than 4 strokes.



RuffRyder---You are right on snowmobile 2 strokes---But I am calling you on Outboards--The 2 strokes with direct injection are now running cleaner than the 4 strokes outboards--cost less to by and more economical to run.
When they crack down on the sleds harder--they will just bring more outbord technology to the sled market and make it meet the emission standard. They should have already done it in my opinion, but it will come when they are forced too.


H20SKE...

 

[framus]

The the lefty causes out there IMHO is a way to be stylish and to impress their clueless contemporaries.
The poor sod who disagrees with them is accused, labled and convicted in lefty hell despite how well their argument is presented. This type of ignorance is unique because truth and acuracy have no place in their little contrived world. The ones that are clever in debate usually are constantly shaking their head while you speak and when you got em licked they change the subject to an outrageous personal attack or some crazy statement of fact. Are they anywhere near the Brown shirts yet?? Time will tell.

Your greenie drinking buddy probably doesnt give a hoot about 2-strokes, she only cares that her side wins because she is right. Hell, they are still using data about snowmobiles that was proven by the EPA to be completely wrong. In one particular emission waste-compound over %300 wrong...yet they still use it. Why? They dont care how they do it, they just want us off the hill. If and when they succeed in their little crusade I'll make anyone a bet that they'll probably try and go after us for "damages".

The next administration..."the reign of Hillary" we'll probably get more than a few perversions of justice.. stay tuned.

 

[05900]

In the scheme of things it really doesn't matter what she knows or who she blows..Her type will be the one to get off her *** if only to sign a petition to keep US out of anywhere her or her buddies see fit,to save the "nutty breasted *** hatchling" area or what have you. Just because they heard this from Al Gore Media ..............

 

[05900]

Oh yeah..Best of luck next time....

 

[ruffryder]

RuffRyder---You are right on snowmobile 2 strokes---But I am calling you on Outboards--The 2 strokes with direct injection are now running cleaner than the 4 strokes outboards--cost less to by and more economical to run.
When they crack down on the sleds harder--they will just bring more outbord technology to the sled market and make it meet the emission standard. They should have already done it in my opinion, but it will come when they are forced too.


H20SKE...

very true, but it is only because the emissions requirements are lax for outboards that this is possible. Once the stiffen up to what the automobiles are, the 4 strokes will get egr systems and 3 way catalysts and then will be much cleaner than a 2 stroke can be.

Which is my point, 2 strokes can compete with 4 strokes as long as the emissions requirements are lax enough. Manufacturers only build engines clean enough to meet the standards. They do not go beyond because that would increase cost, and in the end that is what matters.

Time to go ride.

 

[mmaxcarver]

Funny you should bring this up... A month or two ago when I found out one of my favorite riding areas was on the "could be on the wilderness list" I went on a fact finding mission to try and find the ways of the "greenie". Below is one of the sites I found. For the most part all of the sites were just in brain washing mode, negativity at every turn towards recreational vehicles of any sort... Bottom line WE HAVE OUR WORK CUT FOR US!!!
Here, go have a chuckle:

http://www.naturaltrails.org/issues/fieldguide2vehicles.html#SNOWMOBILES

 

[Dirtydude]

Shouldda asked her to sign the petition banning DiHydrogen Monoxide

Thats a gooder hahah

ya I googled it it didn't make since to me when I read it cause I was trying to break it down, never seen water called that before...nice trick haha

been ahwile since I was in chemistry school