Snowest deep powder challenge-sled weights
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Hmmm...you were a test rider? Sounds like you are biased to begin with. I am too.
I don't think that nothing can touch the Pro. A buddy with a well setup Ski Doo pulled a couple sled lengths on me drag racing. I have no doubt that the eTec may have the same capabilities. However, I have ridden all four brands mountain chassis and I know who has the best chassis. That's what I'm confident about.
We just bring a small digital scale on the mtn. After someone high marks we hang the sled from a tree and get a real weight. Then compare the weights of the other sleds after their high marks. Then adjustments can be easily calculated with a simple algorithm to determine which sled is bestest.
wait a minute. I have ridden all four brands mountain chassis and I KNOW who has the best chassis AND who makes the most power.
That's what I'm confident about!
ACMTNCAT was very bias going into the Deep Pow challenge. He hated everything about the Doo's even hearing the name "skidoo" was poison to his ears.
But after riding all side by side in the same conditions on the same day, he thought the Etech was far superior to the Pro and M.
The article was silly. in typical PolarisWest, oops, I mean SnoWest fashion they had to come up with away to say the Poo didn't lose. so they said, "for the average joe the Etech was the best all around sled. But for the Extreme rider the polaris was the best." or something to that nature. Funny cause I was on the hill the other day with an "extreme rider" who rides a pro. He was riding his beat to death dragon 700. (because his Pro was in the shop for the 3rd or 4th week straight waiting for an replacement engine.) He said to him the Dragon handles just as good as the Pro.
Was the dragon considered to be the next great thing in snowmobiles?
ahhhhh that would be a No.
I personally am a big fan of the Pro. It is a fun and fairly easy chaissi to jump on and ride. If I owned one I would be happy with it. But the bottom line is, in My opinion, the Etech does everything better then the Pro and has noticeable more power then the pro, also feels much lighter on the snow then the pro.
Some pic's of me on the PRO at the DPC
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I own a Pro and one of my buds owns the big Skidoo. Last weekend we switched for a bit. I couldn't readily adapt to the Skidoo's handling at all (in that short amount of time); in my hands sidehills were a challenge, as the sled really wanted to stay flat. I can do figure eights on the Pro, but no way on the Skidoo. That's just me of course.
The Skidoo does have serious kick@ss power and can sure climb. It's just not for me. Just my personal experience.
The Skidoo does have serious kick@ss power and can sure climb. It's just not for me. Just my personal experience.
Is that why your XP highmarked my Poo? Because I had the brake on?
Or are you saying the XP's have no clutching issues and they don't run so hot that they melt side panels?
Each sled has their issues. I am not brand loyal, I believe you should ride what you are comfortable on. In the end the rider is what makes the difference.
OMFG! It's like a bunch of f*ckin babies. Yeah, the Cat is dated. So what, the chassis works and you can boost it.
Polaris can't keep a stock motor from staying whole. Even the Pros. Vohk has 5 or 6 sitting in his shop right now waiting to be rebuilt.
All sleds, if not clutched properly will fry belts. I've seen all sleds do it, Cats more than most. I burned one belt on my 2008 XP, then I switched to the 377 and ran that belt on the 08 till I totaled it, then took the belt and put it on the 09. It's still on the 09.
Every sled is going to have issues, plain and simple.
The weight thing, every year its a fricking d*ck beating contest.
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Bacon
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You are right. The sleds are all within 20 lbs of each other. I can say I am pretty certain that if you rode a sled and I added 3 or 4 gallons of gas without you knowing it, that no one could tell the difference. Maybe some are so in tune with their sleds they would know but I doubt it.
Bro-brah... I'm like zen with my sled. we meditate together & everything. If it loses a drop of oil.. I cry a tear for it...
Some things people don't care to know but exist....
TRA's have ALWAYS run notoriously higher temps than anyone else's primaries because of their encapsulated design.
Case in point, take a older Cat secondary and compare temps to any of the new encapsulated secondaries run by most OEM's. All of a sudden you wonder why Doo, Cat, and Poo all run encapsulated secondaries if the temps are so much higher.
Heavier guys can handle the XP's better than small guys.....because....
Heavier guys usually ride with a lot more upper body control rather than throwing themselves off the sides of their sleds.....no need, when you got some extra girth it's as easy as weight placement in small increments.....not riding like Burandt. Hence why I believe Rassmussen likens the vertical steering more than horizontal.....not that moves cannot be achieved with horizontal steering, but it takes too much effort for him to ride with horizontal steering. Why bother when you have your choice? And he's a little guy much like my dad.....can't ride an XP to save his life......but armed with a M-Series sled...he's deadly.
5-10-15-20 minutes on any sled is not enough to warrant a comment.
My brother rides turbo Yammis like nobodies business, spins donuts, boondocks, just rips on them Yammi's.....get on my Rev or XP and he can't even keep a ski in the air.....is the XP heavier than the Yammi? No, but you have to change your riding style.
He has a M8 nowadays and rides it like a scalded Cat - give's ér **** for sure, still can't ride an XP to save his life.
I was riding Rev's before the XP and I literally stepped off my XRS and onto my '08 XP-X demo and felt right at home.....never had a problem or learning curve at all.
Hop on a IQ and I had to adjust my riding style to more of a Sea-Doo style riding while steering with my butt and standing back on the boards and wrong foot forward constantly. Rides similar to a Cat and many lightweight sleds from yester years....
For me, I like the riding postion of the XP. I stand up and forward, use my upper body to throw it around, and finding the balance point in multiple snow conditions was easy for me. If I want to ride a sled like I do a PWC I rather hop on my '04 Mod Bomb than a new M8 or IQ. Hell why wouldn't I? It has 20 more hp and weighs 50lbs less. And it rides almost identical to those sleds....don't have to change my riding style at all.
And it also sits in the shop every weekend while I ride the crap outta my "spare sled" which is a '06 REV.
All three brands with 2-strokes are very comparable, put a competent rider on all three 800's and they are nose to nose in most situations.
This whole dick measuring contest every year is boring.......they are all good, just be glad we have the choice to ride our favorite colors and be done with it.
Ski-Doo's fit me well, but I'm not limited to only Doo's. I can hop on a lot of different chassis' and be right at home in a matter of seconds......if you understand that each sled has their own characteristics and needs to be ridden differently, then you're on your way to being a complete rider in my eyes.....not that I'm a GREAT rider.....but I can ride most sleds in and out of situations that others refuse to. Experience and the ability to change your riding style to that of the machine and conditions plays just as big of part of it.
TRA's have ALWAYS run notoriously higher temps than anyone else's primaries because of their encapsulated design.
Case in point, take a older Cat secondary and compare temps to any of the new encapsulated secondaries run by most OEM's. All of a sudden you wonder why Doo, Cat, and Poo all run encapsulated secondaries if the temps are so much higher.
Heavier guys can handle the XP's better than small guys.....because....
Heavier guys usually ride with a lot more upper body control rather than throwing themselves off the sides of their sleds.....no need, when you got some extra girth it's as easy as weight placement in small increments.....not riding like Burandt. Hence why I believe Rassmussen likens the vertical steering more than horizontal.....not that moves cannot be achieved with horizontal steering, but it takes too much effort for him to ride with horizontal steering. Why bother when you have your choice? And he's a little guy much like my dad.....can't ride an XP to save his life......but armed with a M-Series sled...he's deadly.
5-10-15-20 minutes on any sled is not enough to warrant a comment.
My brother rides turbo Yammis like nobodies business, spins donuts, boondocks, just rips on them Yammi's.....get on my Rev or XP and he can't even keep a ski in the air.....is the XP heavier than the Yammi? No, but you have to change your riding style.
He has a M8 nowadays and rides it like a scalded Cat - give's ér **** for sure, still can't ride an XP to save his life.
I was riding Rev's before the XP and I literally stepped off my XRS and onto my '08 XP-X demo and felt right at home.....never had a problem or learning curve at all.
Hop on a IQ and I had to adjust my riding style to more of a Sea-Doo style riding while steering with my butt and standing back on the boards and wrong foot forward constantly. Rides similar to a Cat and many lightweight sleds from yester years....
For me, I like the riding postion of the XP. I stand up and forward, use my upper body to throw it around, and finding the balance point in multiple snow conditions was easy for me. If I want to ride a sled like I do a PWC I rather hop on my '04 Mod Bomb than a new M8 or IQ. Hell why wouldn't I? It has 20 more hp and weighs 50lbs less. And it rides almost identical to those sleds....don't have to change my riding style at all.
And it also sits in the shop every weekend while I ride the crap outta my "spare sled" which is a '06 REV.
All three brands with 2-strokes are very comparable, put a competent rider on all three 800's and they are nose to nose in most situations.
This whole dick measuring contest every year is boring.......they are all good, just be glad we have the choice to ride our favorite colors and be done with it.
Ski-Doo's fit me well, but I'm not limited to only Doo's. I can hop on a lot of different chassis' and be right at home in a matter of seconds......if you understand that each sled has their own characteristics and needs to be ridden differently, then you're on your way to being a complete rider in my eyes.....not that I'm a GREAT rider.....but I can ride most sleds in and out of situations that others refuse to. Experience and the ability to change your riding style to that of the machine and conditions plays just as big of part of it.
Interesting vid that shows a little hill climing with the three. Check out the 2nd half of this. You guys need to take you Poo blinders off.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W7C54TXQLc
Looks like ACMtnCat and Boss Rev were pretty much spot on!
It's not all about climbing.Interesting vid that shows a little hill climing with the three. Check out the 2nd half of this. You guys need to take you Poo blinders off.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W7C54TXQLc
Looks like ACMtnCat and Boss Rev were pretty much spot on!
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Insaneboltrounder/sjohns
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I wonder how much the hcr harder track hurt it. The 2012 doo with the 2.5 track is going to doo well
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snowmobiler
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so the xp is only 18 pounds heavier than the pro.yippy do da.
not 35#s heavier like snowest says
not 35#s heavier like snowest says
