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Bacon
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- 2011 polaris 800 pro-rmk 530 wet 458 dry
- 2011 Ski-doo summit X 800 561 wet 495 dry
- 2011 Artic Cat M8 553 wet 482 dry
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Snowest deep powder challenge-sled weights
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There are always a lot of details behind weights. I know that Polaris didn't lie about weights because I have seen two independent tests that put the Pro within 5 lbs of the manufacturer's weight.
Also depends if the Ski-Doo was the "Freeride X" package as those sleds are about 30lbs heavier due to being beefed up.
according to those numbers all 3 are heavier then manufacturers specs.....who knows, spreads seem about the same as manufacturers specs though...
Well, here on the 4M you can argue anything. Wet weights is what you ride at, but that is misleading when compared to the dry weights. Some sleds have different capacities for fuel, oil and coolant. Really what matters at the end of the day is how well the sled moves through the snow.
What track lengths?
Those aren't 'dry' weights... they are wet, no gas. Dry weight means no fluids at all.
Polaris' 431 weight is on the 155 track length, 438 on the 163, dry weight. So 20lbs difference, how much does the coolant, chaincase and injector oil weigh in a Pro.
Same questions for the other OEMs.
In this day and age, fudging the weights isn't too productive, because it's dang easy to hang one from a scale and then post it on the net somewhere.
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Those aren't 'dry' weights... they are wet, no gas. Dry weight means no fluids at all.
Polaris' 431 weight is on the 155 track length, 438 on the 163, dry weight. So 20lbs difference, how much does the coolant, chaincase and injector oil weigh in a Pro.
Same questions for the other OEMs.
In this day and age, fudging the weights isn't too productive, because it's dang easy to hang one from a scale and then post it on the net somewhere.
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Bacon
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Don't think I have ever riden a dry sled. The wet weights are more what I look at. Dry weights are fine for bar talk but don't do much good for anything else. The sled were everones 150 length sleds. 153,154,155. Don't know why Snowest would want to fib on the weights. Just got the magazine on Saturday and figured it was interesting and not everyone gets the mag.
You guys get way to hung up on weight. pretty soon you will be ridding around with a 1/4 tank and have your wife's packing 5 gallon Jerry cans. weight isn't that crucial if its balanced right.
gas is 6.15 pounds per gallon so if the pro has an 11.5 gallon tank thats almost 71 pounds of fuel. 530 wet on the pro rmk and 458 dry is a difference of 72 pounds so obviously this is 530 full of fuel and fluids, 458 no fuel full of fluids. to get the dry weight of 431 on the pro you just need to pull all the fluids, coolant, chaincase, blah, blah, blah, bet its dead on or darn close to the 431 totally dry...
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The point of a dry weight is so that you have a base number. Would it be fair if a manufacture put a 2.5 gallon fuel tank on their sled and then claimed to have the lightest sled? Every sled has different coolant capacity, different fuel capacity, etc.
Packing gasoline
NOW I've got a good reason to get my wife to ride with me! Thanks Stray Cat.
NOW I've got a good reason to get my wife to ride with me! Thanks Stray Cat.
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ACMtnCat
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The only thing I see wrong with the weights you posted is that the "dry" weight is not dry. Those weights are minus the gas weight. 72#s in the Cat and Poo and 64#s in the Doo.
The fact is the Skidoo E-tech goes higher and better in deep powder than the other two sleds. It's been tested and is a fact.
Knowing this, I still would not buy a Doo. If someone gave one to me I'd ride the hell out of it!
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The fact is the Skidoo E-tech goes higher and better in deep powder than the other two sleds. It's been tested and is a fact.
Knowing this, I still would not buy a Doo. If someone gave one to me I'd ride the hell out of it!
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Bacon
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The Polaris guys really want to make sure everyone knows that the pro is the lightest dry weight. I am guessing that the snowest test staff was not gonna drain the coolant, oil, shocks, and all other fluids. They weighed them with and without gas. They didn't really explain it in the article.
regardless wet or dry it is still the lightest with the numbers I see posted.
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weight dont matter.xp gets the power to the snow better
weight dont matter.
thats what the fat lady at the bar says at closing time isn't it???
I love all the people who say weight doesn't matter... total horsepoo.
Weight is HUGE. People who think it doesn't matter have never ridden an honest light weight sled to see the difference.
5 lbs doesn't matter, but you feel 20, and you REALLY feel 40, once you round the 70 mark it's truly amazing what a difference it is.
You have to lose 5 to lose 70, so it's all incremental. The lighter you start, the lighter you'll get. (in general, some can't lose as much as others)
btw, for the skidoo... fuel capacity is 10.6, lower than the other two sleds without a doubt, but to be fair, the doo measured should be a 146, as it has a more similar footprint to the cat or poo 153 & 155. the 154 doo is similar to the 163 sleds really. (they still suck, MY dealer told me so
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Weight is HUGE. People who think it doesn't matter have never ridden an honest light weight sled to see the difference.
5 lbs doesn't matter, but you feel 20, and you REALLY feel 40, once you round the 70 mark it's truly amazing what a difference it is.
You have to lose 5 to lose 70, so it's all incremental. The lighter you start, the lighter you'll get. (in general, some can't lose as much as others)
btw, for the skidoo... fuel capacity is 10.6, lower than the other two sleds without a doubt, but to be fair, the doo measured should be a 146, as it has a more similar footprint to the cat or poo 153 & 155. the 154 doo is similar to the 163 sleds really. (they still suck, MY dealer told me so
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