Snowest - Beat up the Yammys Pretty Good anyone changing?

[Work - Never]

Well gee, let me think. I just got back from a ride with XP's D8's and an M1000. We bet dinner and a barrel of C12 in the parking lot. If they could go anywhere on any of those sleds... tree's,creek bottoms, etc., that I could'nt go with my TApex I bought dinner and gave them $350.00 smacks for pump gas. They tried all day and could never lose me. They tried so hard I had to manuver around a few of them so I could find a way to turn around and go dig them out. However, when it came time to pull the big hills, I was the only one who could do it. Guess who got a free dinner and a barrell of race.

No I'm not selling my Yamaha, It's making me to much money.

 

[Linc]

my nytro is 582.6 out of the crate, my 07 154 x was 564 fully fueled with tunnel bag, shovel, probe, and snow bungee in handle bar bag, with the powder track not the extreem now add say 25 for battery and starter 589 now add 7.4 gal.s to my nytro 48.1 thats 630 or 41 pounds differance or 66 pounds without the e start. still not going to sell my nytro its extreamly fun to ride but keep it realistic

I didn't make up the numbers,that what the purchasing agent told me,and they are very picky about the stats. I have no reason to doubt him,he's the purchasing agent,it doesn't do him any good to BS.

I would suspect that e-start weighs more than 25 lbs,battery box,brackets,solenoid,wiring,bolts.Fuel weighs 1.62 lbs per liter,and it has 28 liters=45.36 lbs.

 

[McLovin]

I am a die hard yamaha guy but, I am about sick of yamaha forgetting about us mountain guys. everyother brand out there spends most of there r&d money on mountain sleds. yamaha spends all of its money on short tracks and then slaps a long track on it and expects it to sell. the last time yamaha had a mountain sled was the mountain max, and that unit sold well for them. After that they went to trail sleds with long tracks. thus the reason the MM was better than the viper and rx-ton. yamaha needs to invest in the mountain sleds!!

I dont get your post-whats the Nytro....do you want them to call it the Nytro Mountain?

 

[johnny be bad]

I didn't make up the numbers,that what the purchasing agent told me,and they are very picky about the stats. I have no reason to doubt him,he's the purchasing agent,it doesn't do him any good to BS.

I would suspect that e-start weighs more than 25 lbs,battery box,brackets,solenoid,wiring,bolts.Fuel weighs 1.62 lbs per liter,and it has 28 liters=45.36 lbs.

oh linc! you made me bite! first compare 08 to 08, then sled class to sled class, thats like comparing a apex to a tnt? tnt 399lb dry to apex 596 dry for the apex? how about a etec 600 to a nytro? thats a fair comparision! and a 08 everest is 528lb wet, a nytro is 630lb wet and 3 gallons less fuel.

 

[Linc]

First off, I didn't do the comparison,I'm only relaying his observations,second,I asked why they don't have any XP's and he said they couldn't put up with unreliability,they're used for work and the reliability is a liability.They have a bunch of SD's and every single one has broken,he said the odd thing is that the same model in the previous year was fine,but the 08 breaks every time.

I don't need to compare anything,I know what's lightest and what's more reliable,but again I didn't do the comparison.

 

[johnny be bad]

First off, I didn't do the comparison,I'm only relaying his observations,second,I asked why they don't have any XP's and he said they couldn't put up with unreliability,they're used for work and the reliability is a liability.They have a bunch of SD's and every single one has broken,he said the odd thing is that the same model in the previous year was fine,but the 08 breaks every time.

I don't need to compare anything,I know what's lightest and what's more reliable,but again I didn't do the comparison.

i cant figure this unreliable thing out? 3 dealers i talked with, that sold over 300 xp's have only seen 1 with a blown motor, they all had the usual belts, hand warmmers stuff and a few drive shafts. but as for them having motor failures? they havent seen it! as for 07's thats another story!!!

 

[squirrel]

Forgive me before I even start! The nytro is a good sled out of the box I wish we could go back to the 10 plus pages like the old mm thread of yesteryear! I was actually going to sell my nytro at the end of the season until I fianlly cleared my head of all the daily BS and got serious tuning my sled I have looked thru alot of posts and taken a few things from everyone and here is where I sit after a week worth of work. I have lost a conservative 40 pounds for 300 bucks and yes I have access to stuff alot of people dont have laying around so I will give you that but the clutching is so far off for elevation its not even funny or at least my lack of a dealer's is. The track is the first thing that has to go it couldnt hook up if it had to! Running a 162 challenger and it is night and day.The cat secondary spring is the right way to go I am running a yellow and have had to grind my weights down to 63 grams and it is dang near perfect. I talked to thunder charger at the beginning of the season looking to go that route but now that I have done the running board mods clutching holz and muffler I am running dead even with my best friends m1000 with y pipe speedwerx single can and rkt head rkt secondary and boondocker box he is the local cat dealer and it is the strongest running 1000 I have seen and we have 4-5 with us every weekend. rolling start he pulls me just a little and we stay even cant take advantage of the torque as much, dead stop I pull him out of the hole and it takes awhile for him to make up the differance again I am geared to top out around 80-85 in a perfect world dont care to hit a 100. Sorry for the rant tired of peeps complaing instead of figuring it out. All sleds come from the manufacturer with a broad setup in mind. You have the makings of a great sled just need to figure it out.

 

[Timberwolf1050]

I think we should all take the Snowest article with a grain of salt. Yes the Yamaha's are heavy and yes that does put them at a bit of an disadvantage in the deep stuff. But, they will almost always make it back to the trailer under their own power. That's big in my book and one of the primary reasons I own and will continue to own a Yamaha. I won't deny that the XP is an awesome sled in the steep and deep just as the magazine article claims. There is no question that that much is true. However, what the magazine fails to mention is the numerous reliability problems that the XP has had this year. I have seen several at the end of a tow rope this year and have towed my buddy's out twice. The sled is awesome but to me performance is only performance when you can count on it to run reliably all day long. I'm not bashing on Ski-Doo, my dad owns an 07 REV and it is a great sled, I'm just saying that we shouldn't put too much stock in a magazine article that doesn't give us all the facts. It only mentions the good but not the bad about the XP. There is no doubt that the sled has great potential but it isn't quite there yet as far as reliability goes. At least right out of the box. But then, no sled is perfect right out of the box. Just my 2 cents

 

[Climbmax]

If anyone bases their buying decission on what a magazine says they need to visit a shrink.
Most are just restroom reading material
But hey don't cancell my free subscription........I gotta go soon
RS

 

[ridehard1212]

IVE RIDDEN THE STOCK NITRO AND IT IS NICE AND IT IS A GREAT IMPROVEMENT IN HANDLING FROM A STOCK APEX BUT 10LBS DIFFERENCE?? HAVE YOU EVER EVEN SEEN A REV LINCON? LET ALONE RODE ONE? THEY MUST OF FORGOT TO FUEL THE NITRO BEFOR THEY WEIGHED!!!!! AGAIN I THINK THAT THE NITRO IS A SWEET SLED BUT BE REALISTIC... THATS LIKE POSTING THAT U THINK THE NITRO HAS COMPARABLE POWER TO THE 800s!!

 

[Ak nitro]

IVE THATS LIKE POSTING THAT U THINK THE NITRO HAS COMPARABLE POWER TO THE 800s!!

Yeah, you're right the 800's 140 hp rating is not comparable to the Turbo Nytro 250-300 hp rating! Stock who rides stock anyway, nearly everybody who buys a sled puts aftermarket parts on it anyway.

 

[BigFish BC]

it too funny to see all the doo boo hoo guys on the yammi section looking for a fight to defend the all mighty xp. get this strait we dont care what your xp does i ride circles around them with my 4 year old sled yes its heavier & no its not stock but who cares jump on your xp & ride over too the doo section & where someone will listen to your crying of my sled is better than yours.

 

[Nytro40th]

I have been on both fx nytro and xp, the xp looks like a cheap piece of crap, I think the rev had way better fit and finish, and looked like a quality product.

 

[Slick]

I'm with IAVector, its hilarious reading all the Doo fellas almost demanding that everyone verbalize that they bought the best all around sled in 09, for everyone and everything. And then they whine about everyone bashing the Doo. Amazing. Its a great sled with a few exeptional attributes, just like the other available choices. What are you guys doing in here anyways.
Christ you Doo guys get so used to following the boosted Yammi's in the mountains, you even have to do it on the 4M.

 

[SLY]

It never ceases to amaze me how many people buy those Doos despite all their problems. I guess a big advertising campaign will do that. Gonna be intersting to see how many guys jump in and turbo the new 4 stroke before they see how well it stands up.

 

[trigger fish]

we need a mountain sled

I dont get your post-whats the Nytro....do you want them to call it the Nytro Mountain?

the nytro is a snow-cross sled. it is the best platform we have because a snow-cross is set-up close to that of mountain set-up. but the perfect example would be how they did not upgrade the front end on the nytro mtx but they did for all the other forms of the nytro (yamaha does not care about us mountain riders). but the nytro was build from the ground up to be a snow-cross sled we need one built from the ground up to be a mountain sled. a nytro mxt is just a snow cross sled with a longer track, an apex mtx is a great trail sled with a longer track.

 

[ruffryder]

the nytro is a snow-cross sled. it is the best platform we have because a snow-cross is set-up close to that of mountain set-up. but the perfect example would be how they did not upgrade the front end on the nytro mtx but they did for all the other forms of the nytro (yamaha does not care about us mountain riders). but the nytro was build from the ground up to be a snow-cross sled we need one built from the ground up to be a mountain sled. a nytro mxt is just a snow cross sled with a longer track, an apex mtx is a great trail sled with a longer track.

Isn't that the same thing as the doo? Same chassis. I think the cat and the polaris sleds are the only ones that have dedicated mountain chassis, with the cat more than the polaris.

You could look at it from the other way around, that yamaha is snowcrossing a mountain sled. lol

 

[Linc]

IVE RIDDEN THE STOCK NITRO AND IT IS NICE AND IT IS A GREAT IMPROVEMENT IN HANDLING FROM A STOCK APEX BUT 10LBS DIFFERENCE?? HAVE YOU EVER EVEN SEEN A REV LINCON? LET ALONE RODE ONE? THEY MUST OF FORGOT TO FUEL THE NITRO BEFOR THEY WEIGHED!!!!! AGAIN I THINK THAT THE NITRO IS A SWEET SLED BUT BE REALISTIC... THATS LIKE POSTING THAT U THINK THE NITRO HAS COMPARABLE POWER TO THE 800s!!

WHY ARE YOU YELLING? Do you think I'll think more of you.So for your information,I have a shop that works on snowmobiles,and we work on more SD's than Yamaha's,and, yes I've ridden them,and further more go back read what I said,because nothing you said relates to anything I said.

 

[steveo10]

Yammie will soon have a stock turbo on their moutain sleds and go for 16/17g's run a reliable PSI (10) and wont have to wry about weight unless your playin in the meadows. Then the 3 other manu will be playin catch-up.

summit R / nytro are about 50# apart. electric start makes them 23# apart.

 

[Work - Never]

Can we stop this bickering. Look, I have ridden the XP, it is what it is..a great entry level sled. If I was a new rider and did'nt have the skills or knowledge to ride a modded big HP sled I'd own one.

Everybody has to start somewhere. If all the XP guys tried to learn to ride on a TApex or a TNytro they would get pretty overwhelmed and most would loose interest and it would be bad for our sport.

By the time most of the XP riders develop enough skill to handle real HP some of us may be old enough to retire and they will get their chance to put a mark on the hill. It's the natural order of things. No reason to argue about it.