That's fine but they are better in every way. People get too fixated on dry weight. 408 was an 800. They have lost weight but haven't made it up with what they gained. You could put a single cylinder in it if so concerned but how would it run? So i guess i don't think stagnant is fair. Apples to orangesNope, haven't rode one, but would like to. Stagnant is more than fair with regard to dry weight, as discussed. Would be good to see some weights after running around in the snow, but that's easier said than done. If you're talking about things like "feels lighter," I'll happily defer to someone who owns one, but that's obviously not what I was saying.