Silber Install Tips

[phatboyfilms]

Do not plug in the Tan wire going to the wideband. I just confirmed it with Justin. If it is plugged in, disconnect it.

here's a pic for those of us that just have to see it

Don't plug these together: long tan wire off the controller w/ a black fitting. Then there is a short wire stubbed off the af gauge it can plug into.

incase you skimmed & missed the why not (we all do it..)

When i spoke to Justin it will give the option for o2 correction from the wideband. But takes different mapping and he hadn't had enough testing to utilize it, but kept the option available for down the road

 

[phatboyfilms]

CHECK YOUR OIL PUMP WIRING!!!!!!

Anyone that has installed their own kits, take 30 seconds & double ck where you plugged your oil pump into for power.

The picture in the instructions does show the correct location of the plug but its VERY easy to mix up with similar plug located above the motor near the steering column (both are a bunch of wiring with nice baggy Velcro'd around it). I got it wrong & so did 2 other guys that i spoke with today so i figured there might be a few others that missed this too. My oil pump ran initially, but not for long..... so check this even if you think it's working.


Correct plug is located above your primary clutch. The plug you want is labeled "DC PWR". here's 2 pics.

thanks to Bryan Watts for clarifying this for me, even though i wasn't able to have him install this kit for me. Very professional. thanks Bryan, you earned yourself 2 new clients here.

i was considering posting a new thread for this, if a few people missed this & it wasn't just me, let me know.

 

[Gracefull]

here's a pic for those of us that just have to see it

Don't plug these together: long tan wire off the controller w/ a black fitting. Then there is a short wire stubbed off the af gauge it can plug into.

Why not? I am curious.... i have had mine plugged in for 2 rides now. what is the plug for, and why did he wire in the matching plug to plug it in?

 

[Gracefull]

When i spoke to Justin it will give the option for o2 correction from the wideband. But takes different mapping and he hadn't had enough testing to utilize it, but kept the option available for down the road

nevermind, i just had to get my dumbass to re-read the posts again....

 

[jsandgren10]

I finally got a chance to upload a video of mine at idle. Seems a bit rich when it first fires up. I had already ran it for about 1min prior to this video. Does this seem ok? Just seems a bit rich to spit some oil on the ground like that.

I have not been able to run it with 0 snow, so wanted to see what you guys thought.

Thanks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lrsg0tXEOE&feature=youtu.be

 

[TurboMatt]

here's a pic for those of us that just have to see it

Don't plug these together: long tan wire off the controller w/ a black fitting. Then there is a short wire stubbed off the af gauge it can plug into.

incase you skimmed & missed the why not (we all do it..)

I've had mine plugged in since day 1. Maybe that's why my sled burned down.
This think this is kinda BS actually. Silber needs to have better instructions out there of more problems are gonna arise. There was no where in the instructions that said don't plug these 2 plugs in. The plugs were right there & seemed obvious that they plugged in. As far I I knew it was power to the wideband. I'm sure I'm not the only one that did it.

 

[friscospices.com]

Yes it does seem rich looking at your AFR mine reads very lean at idle. It does idle good though, Did you fog and stabil your fuel before summer. If you have not ridden or put in fresh fuel I would wait til your ride it a bit and clean it up. Did your oil cap for your turbo have the spill insert put in? Did you remove the oring from the cap?

 

[jsandgren10]

I doubt it burned down for that. It is a o2 correction, and you said your af numbers were dialed in. I knew not to plug it in since I knew the boxes silber went with were the gen 3.5 that had the o2 option but Justin had said he hadn't dialed a map in for it yet but was there for future upgrades.

His instructions weren't perfect but seemed fairly easy to follow. And it was the only plug never talked about so I made sure to ask just the be sure.

Keep us updated on what all you find. Sure seemed something was off on yours when you had those high af numbers at idle when you first installed it

 

[TurboMatt]

I doubt it burned down for that. It is a o2 correction, and you said your af numbers were dialed in. I knew not to plug it in since I knew the boxes silber went with were the gen 3.5 that had the o2 option but Justin had said he hadn't dialed a map in for it yet but was there for future upgrades.

His instructions weren't perfect but seemed fairly easy to follow. And it was the only plug never talked about so I made sure to ask just the be sure.

Keep us updated on what all you find. Sure seemed something was off on yours when you had those high af numbers at idle when you first installed it

Its almost impossible to watch the wideband and get an accurate reading at anything other than idle, steady cruising and WOT. Yeah it was ok in those ranges, but anything else who knows. We do a lot of midrange braaping in the trees and smaller hills. For all I know there coulda been a crazy lean spot in that range because of this.

 

[Boston Racing]

I've had mine plugged in since day 1. Maybe that's why my sled burned down.
This think this is kinda BS actually. Silber needs to have better instructions out there of more problems are gonna arise. There was no where in the instructions that said don't plug these 2 plugs in. The plugs were right there & seemed obvious that they plugged in. As far I I knew it was power to the wideband. I'm sure I'm not the only one that did it.

Is that motor apart yet. Your failure may have had nothing to do with the turbo. We should really stop speculating until you know what caused the problem.

The 02 feature in the box is not active at all in the maps that were sent out. What we noticed is that it "appeared" on my sled and it makes no difference. On one other install we did it appeared to clean up the bottom end a bit. We never saw anything causing a lean condition. I think it is more of a placebo effect that anything else. Justin didn't want the box getting voltage on that pin because the feature was not activated, that's all.

Lets also not forgot you ran your sled with the oil pump plugged into the wrong port that could have caused damage prior to you getting it running right. I tested this when you were having a problem and when I plugged my pump into that wire it idled 200 rpm higher so I think it must do something screwy with the ECU. You also had an idle problem from the very beginning that you and the only other guy the posted on here who used the ECM plug had. You also manually turned down the idle. That was probably a band aid for the real problem.

I know it sucks losing a motor but at some point you have to take a little ownership for the problem and quit making these bitter post about the Kits. Get the cases fixed and we will get that thing back on the snow or you can just bring it to us and we can get you squared away without all the hassle.

 

[Boston Racing]

I iwll also state that if you have a problem. The best person to help you is Justin or one of his dealers. Sometimes when folks troubleshoot a problem it is very easy to create new ones along the way. This makes it harder for both of us to get to the root problem.

 

[TurboMatt]

I don't think the kit caused the engine failure. I'm really not that bitter about the turbo at all either. I knew exactly what I was signing up for. This isn't my first rodeo.(I realize over the internet you or anyone has no idea what my past mechanical history is)

BUT my point is: If Justin is going to sell these kits to people that have never installed THIS kit on THIS sled, he should provide more thorough and accurate instructions. Quick frankly it would make HIS life MUCH easier. If he doesn't wanna put out good install instructions maybe he should just require that only dealers or himself do the initial install. Actually, I haven't even heard of someone who actually received instructions WITH their kit, whats up with that? While he has been pretty good with answering calls and what not, why deal with the hassle? Over 50% of the questions I had were simple things that shoulda been in the instructions. You have to look at it from the aspect of someone who has never installed this kit on this sled before. There are a lot of people out there that fall into that category. We shouldn't have to come to Snowest and read a 6 page long thread with all kinda of other stuff mixed in to install this.
I consider my self very mechanically inclined, but I bought this kit because I was sick of piecing turbo kit parts together from scratch and just wanted to buy a kit that bolted right on without question. I read the instructions thoroughly and went to work installing. When I hear things on here like "oh theres a plug that isn't supposed to be plugged in" that pisses my off, because it seems pretty important and should have been in the instructions.
Sure if I had to install any other kits OR when I reinstall my kit for the 2nd time now after my engine is good to go again, sure I'll know all the tricks, I'll have all the right plugs plugged in, I'll know exactly how the wires need to be routed, the whole deal. It'll probably take 3 hours tops.
This has nothing to do with me blowing my engine. I know you have to be a cheerleader because you are a Silber dealer, but its really not that helpful most of the time.

vent over.

 

[Boston Racing]

I hope I have been a help to some..........

I have a business to run and if me trying to help gets people upset with me I wont. I only make money on the kits I sell so to spend so much time with kits purchased elsewhere really doesn't make sense for me. If you have a problem with a Silber kit or need help with the instructions feel free to call the shop at (719) 578-7774 or PM me for my cell number. You can call anytime and you will get any help you need. I only ask that you support our shop when you need something.

Note: If it doesn't idle and run like the ones in my videos something is wrong.....period. Do not run it until you get it figured out!

I will continue to post my videos of how a properly configured and running Silber turbo should act.

If anybody is interested we have 1 kit left in stock and professional installation is available.


v/r
Corey

 

[gmustangt]

i Hear ya matt.. thats why i started this thread because i wasnt thrilled with the things i was coming accross that werent in the instructions ( boot fitment, bolt fitment, plug ins etc...) none the less justin was answering his phone when i had questions so i got through it.
Now that its a 6 page thread its more than i wanted it to turn in to.

Boston has been a good help for me and i havnt bought anything from him, wish i coulda got my silber through him tuned etc.. but hes 1000's of miles away.
Speaking of which boston you have mail

 

[TurboMatt]

Note: If it doesn't idle and run like the ones in my videos something is wrong.....period. Do not run it until you get it figured out!

Even if Justin tells a person to go out and "run it hard" and it'll fix itself. In fact, when I was at first having the idle issue he told me he didn't even want to bother diagnosing it any further until I ran it hard for a couple hours. This is exactly what he told me to to do, but your telling us something different. Sounds like Silber needs to get on the same page as his dealers too.
Another example: Silber is telling people it is ok to run pump premium at 5psi(ish) at low elevation over the phone.(He told my buddy this).
Or he told me I will have NO PROBLEM running 50/50 race/premium at 8-9psi at 9000ft. Or Silber is telling me to tune till I hit the DET then back it off 1 or 2 psi from there .
OR Silber is telling me hitting the DET isn't that big of a deal, the DET sensor wont allow me to burn the sled down so don't worry.
YET a lot of you here, Including the dealers, are saying something different.
WHO SHOULD I LISTEN TOO?

Boston, this is absolutely no knock on you. You have been helpful and infact you are one of the very reasons forums like this are very useful tools to go to for help. Please don't keep helping people.
Also, you were very helpful setting up the ABS bag purchase 2 weeks ago.
Please don't think I'm personally attacking you.

 

[Boston Racing]

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[TurboMatt]

One more thing:
Has anyone else had problems with their oil resevoir cap coming apart? When I was in Cooke City last week, mine came apart a couple times. I ended up having to use wire to hold it together until well my engine blew LOL in able to keep riding. A buddy that I was riding with had the exact same problem. It almost seems like the plastic must be getting soft when running it hard and the little tabs allow the cap to come apart.

 

[Boston Racing]

You did right. If Justin told you to run it..........I cant say you shouldn't have. He knows his kits better than anybody.

My only issue is when there are several that act one way and an oddball I try to figure out whats different.

I know the instructions leave room for improvement. We may actually try and update them a bit on our next install.

For an experienced turbo guy/tuner every bit of advice Justin gave you is correct. Our shop always errs on the side of caution especially with boost levels and octane because it allows you to get away with a tune that is a little off. We also set our customer sled a little richer than the instructions show.

 

[TheBreeze]

Some internet history of the legendary "Turbo Matt" back in da' day.

Rear wheel drive probe. Fast as hell, custom kit. In fact, if you were lucky you may have bought a kit for your probe on ebay built by him.



Custom apex turbo. Fastest sled I have ever experienced.



Good luck getting him to admit it, but he loves rodeo's.

 

[Boston Racing]

i don't doubt anybody's skills. I was making a general statement.

I also started with Turbo Civics and Integras 15 years ago.

Once its back together bring it back this way and we will get it spot on. We have the ability to reflash the box with different maps that really work well for us.