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Shooting at Fort Hood

swampy, you really don't want to bring up all the bad things christian have done do you?
starters..
all good stuff!!
What about all of the violent protests against abortion, gays and the like?
And what does Indonesia have to do with militant Islam. Swampy:eek:
Not much, but it has a WHOLE LOT to do with Islam itself. We use a small snapshot of Islam (the middle east) to create our beliefs of ALL PEOPLE of Islam it seems.

Read the post, where do I say this is my belief, it's a joke and if you liberals were not so uptight and eager to show I am a racist you might understand the post.
So we should assume that everything is a joke unless it is prefaced with "This is my belief"? sure....

As to presidential speeches, did forget Vietnam and the cold war, weren't we fighting those "godless" comies?

How about Bush's talk about God and the war?
 
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All the shooting is is a new form of terrorism. He was raised right here under our noses. Whats the best hiding spot where no one thinks to look. At HOME
 
swampy, you really don't want to bring up all the bad things christian have done do you?
starters..
all good stuff!!
What about all of the violent protests against abortion, gays and the like?


I am not going to waste my time trying to answer acusations by an athiest site much of which has no documentation and I think we can keep our discussion within the last few years to keep the comparison accurate. No one claims there were not atrcities in the past by all religions, races, countries and people but the discussion is a comparison of Islam and judeo/ Christian religions for the last 20 years, islam was not even around when Jesus walked the earth.

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And what does Indonesia have to do with militant Islam. Swampy

Not much, but it has a WHOLE LOT to do with Islam itself. We use a small snapshot of Islam (the middle east) to create our beliefs of ALL PEOPLE of Islam it seems.

My problem is with radical islam anywhere in the world!! As for Indonesia it was the US that saved it from Japan in the second world war, just as we have saved many islamic countries from being overrun and destroyed. Just as It is the Christians who have given much aid to all impoverished countries world over, not just islamic. Why don't you show me where islam or athiests have established medical facilities, schools, hospitals and sewage treatment and clean water within any of the impoverished countries.
Instead I will show you the actions of jihadists just in October
Monthly Jihad Report
October 2009 Jihad Attacks: 156

Countries: 15

Religions: 5

Dead Bodies: 909

Critically Injured: 2024

How about the last few days;
2009.11.19 (Peshawar, Pakistan) - Nineteen innocents are incinerated by a suicide bomb attack on a courthouse.
2009.11.19 (Oruzgan, Afghanistan) - A Shahid suicide car bomber takes out ten civilians along a city street.
2009.11.17 (Eelboon, Somalia) - A 29-year-old woman is planted in the ground and pelted to death with stones over adulterous sex.
2009.11.17 (Baghdad, Iraq) - A Jihad bomb kills two Iraqis.
2009.11.17 (Pattani, Thailand) - A Holy Warrior on a motorbike guns down a school bus driver through his side window.
2009.11.17 (Helmand, Afghanistan) - Two Afghan civilians are killed in a roadside attack by Sunni terrorists.
Are you ready to comare apples for apples yet?

So we should assume that everything is a joke unless it is prefaced with "This is my belief"? sure....

I'm sorry I thought you had at least average intellegance to decipher the meaning of words, I guess not!

As to presidential speeches, did forget Vietnam and the cold war, weren't we fighting those "godless" comies?

Vietnam was a UN operation we were required as signataries to help defend south Vietnam after the vietcong attacked one of our ships in the gulf of Tonkin and followed with an attack on Plei Mei in South Vietnam and I doubt Johnson declared war in the name of Christianity!!

How about Bush's talk about God and the war?

Here you might be getting somewhere on 1 if Woodwards statements are true, something I would have to research further as I know we were told we were going to iraq because of wmd's and Sadams support of the islamic terrorists. If Bush really felt he needed to attack Iraq as he was doing Gods work only He would definately have been in violation of the constitution, his only constitutionall mandate for war is the protection of Americans, American interests and property. I think the future will bring forth the truths on Iraq as the operation is a quagmire of truths, half-truths which require more time than I have to research at this time. Swampy:beer;
 
I am not going to waste my time trying to answer acusations by an athiest site much of which has no documentation
So is that how you play it? So what type of sites can I use? Christian? lol So you don't think Christians have killed abortion doctors? Haven't killed gay people? Haven't persecuted Jews? I mean you do know antisemitism is a real word, right?
and I think we can keep our discussion within the last few years to keep the comparison accurate.
Why? Your statement was about Muslims, not Muslims in the last couple years. If that were the case, the your beliefs about Muslims would be different before then, wouldn't it?
No one claims there were not atrcities in the past by all religions, races, countries and people
Correct, and hence many peoples point about them ALL being bad. Wow, so Christians have a lull in their violence... for now...
but the discussion is a comparison of Islam and judeo/ Christian religions for the last 20 years, islam was not even around when Jesus walked the earth.
20 years = last few years? Islam wasn't even around? So what does that have to do with violence and religion? So the first one there wins? Are you an Orthodox Catholic or a Roman Catholic. I think there are a bunch of spin-offs of the Christian faith.. Wait, wasn't it Jews that killed Jesus? Hmmm, you don't win that argument there... Though, just don't talk to the pagans or the Asians.. Confucius and the Tao might have something to say about old and religion...

  • [*] c. 2000 BC: Time of Abraham, the patriarch of Israel.
    [*] c. 1200 BC: Time of Moses, the Hebrew leader of the Exodus.
    [*] c. 1100 - 500 BC: Hindus compile their holy texts, the Vedas.
    [*] c. 563 - 483 BC: Time of Buddha, founder of Buddhism.
    [*] c. 551 - 479 BC: Time of Confucius, founder of Confucianism.
    [*] c. 200 BC: The Hindu book, Bhagavad Gita, is written.
    [*] c. 2 to 4 BC - 32 AD: Time of Jesus Christ, the Messiah and founder of Christianity.
    [*] c. 32 AD: The Crucifixion and Resurrection of Jesus Christ.
    [*] c. 40 - 90 AD: The New Testament is written by the followers of Jesus Christ.
    [*] c. 570 - 632 AD: Time of Muhammad, who records the Qur'an as the basis of Islam.

My problem is with radical islam anywhere in the world!! As for Indonesia it was the US that saved it from Japan in the second world war, just as we have saved many islamic countries from being overrun and destroyed. Just as It is the Christians who have given much aid to all impoverished countries world over, not just islamic. Why don't you show me where islam or athiests have established medical facilities, schools, hospitals and sewage treatment and clean water within any of the impoverished countries.
oh, you aren't going to give me the missionary speech are you? I don't think we want to go down this road. So since "the US saved it" it doesn't matter that it is the largest population center of Muslims in the world?


I'm sorry I thought you had at least average intellegance to decipher the meaning of words, I guess not!
Anyone else find that statement just a little ironic? ;)


Vietnam was a UN operation we were required as signataries to help defend south Vietnam after the vietcong attacked one of our ships in the gulf of Tonkin and followed with an attack on Plei Mei in South Vietnam and I doubt Johnson declared war in the name of Christianity!!
So what does this have to do with fighting against the "godless" comies? My point is the reasons the American people "hated" the enemy. Reasons / justification, same thing.


Here you might be getting somewhere on 1 if Woodwards statements are true, something I would have to research further as I know we were told we were going to iraq because of wmd's and Sadams support of the islamic terrorists. If Bush really felt he needed to attack Iraq as he was doing Gods work only He would definately have been in violation of the constitution, his only constitutionall mandate for war is the protection of Americans, American interests and property. I think the future will bring forth the truths on Iraq as the operation is a quagmire of truths, half-truths which require more time than I have to research at this time. Swampy:beer;
I don't think Bush's statements can be taken at face value. Lots of info and people were used to come to that decision. At least I hope not...
 
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swampy, you really don't want to bring up all the bad things christian have done do you?
starters..
all good stuff!!
What about all of the violent protests against abortion, gays and the like?

Not much, but it has a WHOLE LOT to do with Islam itself. We use a small snapshot of Islam (the middle east) to create our beliefs of ALL PEOPLE of Islam it seems.


So we should assume that everything is a joke unless it is prefaced with "This is my belief"? sure....

As to presidential speeches, did forget Vietnam and the cold war, weren't we fighting those "godless" comies?

How about Bush's talk about God and the war?


WOW! talk about a 'puff piece'! you beat all ruffy. whoever put together that info is WOEFULLY indadequate to parse scripture. just sayin!:rolleyes:

now to be clear, yes atrocities have been committed under the guise of christianity. im not refuting that.
 
WOW! talk about a 'puff piece'! you beat all ruffy. whoever put together that info is WOEFULLY indadequate to parse scripture. just sayin!:rolleyes:

:confused: I didn't read most of it. The examples at the bottom are what I was mostly interested in.
 
I am not unhappy. I love living here and I always will. You don't hear me *****ing. I am simply saying that Muslims are not all bad people. Islam is not a bad religion it is peaceful. Many on here choose to be a.... What is the term? Oh yeah SHEEP. They listen to the news media report on Islamic Suicide bombing, etc etc. What about when a white Christian in Texas shotguns his family because "god" told him to do it?

Many on here compare RADICAL Islam to regular Christianity. EVER EFFING RELIGION HAS RADICAL CRAZIES! Instead of listening to the news, take the time to learn about the religion and what it is really about. They do not tell you to kill people, they do not say if you do something in the name of Jihad or Allah you will be saved, etc.

These are as valid as Christian witch burnings.


if islam is a peaceful religion then WHY do we not hear a COMPLETE refutatition, of such actions as hasan, from the leaders of islam. NOT ONE HAS BEEN MADE! in fact there are several leaders lauding the actions.

here is a little info for some of you guys that seem to think islam is a 'peaceful' religion... and bonus it is from the same ilk!
:p

http://www.ethicalatheist.com/docs/islam_infidels.html
 
thats alright ruff... you expect others to read and comprehend everything so i was just trying to live up to that ever sublime level mister!:)
I think you got on the wrong horse or something.. This one seems a little too big for your britches.
 
if islam is a peaceful religion then WHY do we not hear a COMPLETE refutatition, of such actions as hasan, from the leaders of islam. NOT ONE HAS BEEN MADE! in fact there are several leaders lauding the actions.

here is a little info for some of you guys that seem to think islam is a 'peaceful' religion... and bonus it is from the same ilk!
:p

http://www.ethicalatheist.com/docs/islam_infidels.html

Do have a lot of Islamic Mosques in Billings?
 
Ruffy: the original thread posting concerned the fort hood shooting and the fact the shooter was muslim and it was probably a terrorist act, something that revelations since have documented. From this you and MHA have tried to change the thread to show that we as christians are muslim haters and that christians are just a violant as muslims, Your statements:

When I hear gods name being provoked as a means of justifying war or military action though, that is disturbing. Other religions look at that use of justification of the conflict having a more religious tone.

As stated, god is used as justification or acceptance of war. Look at most presidential speeches about war and how they invoke gods name. If you were another country that didn't believe in the same god, how would you interpret the information?

Christians seem to use god as a justification for war. Presidents use it in speeches, as well as other people in power. You can find those pictures on your own.


From that you have expanded to it seems the whole history of the judeo christian religion:
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c. 2000 BC: Time of Abraham, the patriarch of Israel.
c. 1200 BC: Time of Moses, the Hebrew leader of the Exodus.
c. 1100 - 500 BC: Hindus compile their holy texts, the Vedas.
c. 563 - 483 BC: Time of Buddha, founder of Buddhism.
c. 551 - 479 BC: Time of Confucius, founder of Confucianism.
c. 200 BC: The Hindu book, Bhagavad Gita, is written.
c. 2 to 4 BC - 32 AD: Time of Jesus Christ, the Messiah and founder of Christianity.
c. 32 AD: The Crucifixion and Resurrection of Jesus Christ.
c. 40 - 90 AD: The New Testament is written by the followers of Jesus Christ.
c. 570 - 632 AD: Time of Muhammad, who records the Qur'an as the basis of Isl

Going back to Abraham? I am surprised you didn't go back to Cain and Able to show Able was actually responsible for his own death and Cain was a Victim!
If you want a thread discussing religions of history and who was wrong or who was right or who did what start up a new thread and see if you can get somewone to bite, I know I won't as I don't have the time or desire to argue a subject that big and diverse, if you read 100 books on the subject you will get 100 different theories and opinions.
Since this thread is about contempory actions lets keep it that way, what happened in the past has very little bearing on todays issues.
I made statements and posted pictures to prove my view and asked you and MHA to post your pictures of christians in similar protests. All you want too do is change the question so you can attempt to castagate the christian feligion even trying to go back to Abraham as well as pointing out the number of muslims in Indonesia, which has to do with what about the intent of the thread?

So what does this have to do with fighting against the "godless" comies? My point is the reasons the American people "hated" the enemy. Reasons / justification, same thing.

Please enlighten me as to how this is relative to the original point of this thread.

This is the last time I am going to answer any of your orangs for apples posts, my challenge is very simple, with respect to all of the radical islamic terrorist attacks and protests that have been occurring for the last lets say 25 years, more if you need to, please show me the similar actions by judeo christian organizations.
And don't waste my time on abortion clinics or doctors, I already answered MHA on that issue and no judeo chistian religions agree with the actions of those who perform those actions but actually condemn them.
The last 2 days from the religion of peace
Latest Offerings from the Religion of Peace
"He who fights that Islam should be superior fights in Allah's cause"
Muhammad, prophet of Islam

2009.11.20 (Farah, Afghanistan) - A suicide bomber on a motorcycle detonates in the middle of a packed market, slaughtering about sixteen shoppers.
2009.11.20 (Mosul, Iraq) - Three Iraqis are blown apart by a roadside bomb.
2009.11.20 (Peshawar, Pakistan) - Jihadis take out three policmen with a shrapnel bomb.
2009.11.19 (Moscow, Russia) - An anti-Islam priest is assassinated in his own church by a suspected Muslim gunman.
2009.11.19 (Karachi, Pakistan) - A Shiite cleric is gunned down by sectarian rivals.
2009.11.19 (Orakzai, Pakistan) - A policeman and his elderly father a shot to death by Taliban militants.

How much longer can you liberals justify these radicals? Swampy:mad::(

Danlil Sysoyev, the 35-year-old Moscow priest murdered Thursday
in his own church after receiving death threats for criticizing Islam.

Priestkilledthursday.jpg
 
discussion is a comparison of Islam and judeo/ Christian religions for the last 20 years, islam was not even around when Jesus walked the earth.

Swampy, so what was the point of the last part of your sentence? Just another slip about how Christianity is better then Islam?:confused:

You wonder how this thread got to where we are, it is because that is where you have let the discussion. Maybe you didn't realize it, but it seems your whole point of argument is that Christianity is better then Islam. That is the comparison that you are trying to make. Wait, lets not look at history, lets look at the last 20 years. Na, lets only look at the last 2 years, and it has to be against another country or religion. Off shoot reasoning for violence from a sect of the Christian religion do not count.. LMAO.

Don't you see the parallels here? Probably not, hence why you are still trying to argue the point.
 
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We require for our members to profess a belief in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

Klansmen and Klanswomen who have studied and dedicated themselves to the goal of returning political power to white Christian men and women - this is a must for a moral and civilized society.

A strong and healthy white Christian demographic is vital to the happiness and future of America

The national director is Pastor Thomas Robb. He attended seminary in Evergreen, Colorado at the Soldiers of the Cross Bible Institute on scholarship where he received a Bachelor of Theology degree and was ordained a Baptist minister

Link:http://www.kkk.bz/faq.htm

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whats your point. there is NOTHING distinctively christian about these morons other than rhetoric. anyone can claim any moniker he wants but it does not make it reality.



The robe and hood is worn for the Christian cross lighting ceremony which is held once a year during the National Klan Congress at headquarters in Harrison, AR.

We require for our members to profess a belief in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

Klansmen and Klanswomen who have studied and dedicated themselves to the goal of returning political power to white Christian men and women - this is a must for a moral and civilized society.

A strong and healthy white Christian demographic is vital to the happiness and future of America

The national director is Pastor Thomas Robb. He attended seminary in Evergreen, Colorado at the Soldiers of the Cross Bible Institute on scholarship where he received a Bachelor of Theology degree and was ordained a Baptist minister

Link:http://www.kkk.bz/faq.htm

aryan_15_popup.jpg
 
whats your point. there is NOTHING distinctively christian about these morons other than rhetoric. anyone can claim any moniker he wants but it does not make it reality.

True, though that is from your point of view as how you think a "Christian" is supposed to be. I would think this exact line of thought is used between Muslim people too...
 
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