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[previous member]

Full of schit? As in I wasn't in the service?

When you say Muslims shouldn't be allowed in country because their religious beliefs....that's hardly freedom of religion. There's been loads of Christians that have gone on rampages; using you rhetoric, Christians shouldn't be allowed in the United States either.

Please quote me where I said you were full of schit because you were not in the service? I simply said you "were full of schit". Now, tell me where in the constitution it says that I cannot have the opinion that you are full of schit.? You can and probably do think I am full of schit also, that is your right. I am full of schit as far as you are concerned. Big deal, you are simply a screen name on the internet, I have no idea if you have been in the service or not and I really don't care. My opinion is that Muslims should not be in the United States. If that opinion is not agreeable with your opinion then so be it. I don't think I am going to go out and kill myself because of what you think. I am happy with my opinion and it won't change.

Typical Lib crap you are throwing around, I have rights, AS LONG AS YOU DON'T OBJECT TO WHAT MY OPINION IS. LMAO You have fun with your Muslims. I want them all dead personally................

 

[swampwater]

Full of schit? As in I wasn't in the service?

When you say Muslims shouldn't be allowed in country because their religious beliefs....that's hardly freedom of religion. There's been loads of Christians that have gone on rampages; using you rhetoric, Christians shouldn't be allowed in the United States either.

First off let me thank you for your service in Iraq however you were dealing with the average Iraq citizen who want nothing more than to be left alone and have the opportunities of freedom. You will find a lot of muslims in this country and in authority in the various muslim countries do not have the same attitude those that live in the USA have the advantage of living under our laws which do give them freedom of religion and yet do not condemn the atrocities of the radical islamists and in fact challange any effort of our country to try and stop the radical islamists. There is a big differance between islam as a religion and as a politicaL organization. with that said I will give you the same challange I gave to MHA, which he apparantly could not answer, please elaborate with the documentation on the loads of christians that have gone on rampages and please include the instructions from the christian bible which support these rampages, just so we are comparing apples for apples. Swampy

 

[ruffryder]

abominable,

Why are you here? Why are you in this discussion? Seems all you want to do is just state your own points and call everyone else dumb for not thinking the same.

Oh, and no one has said you don't have the right to your point of view. Not quite sure why you got all defensive about it.

So your experiences in Viet Nam are used to base your viewpoints about Muslims? I thought the majority of the people where Buddhists?

 

[ruffryder]

swampy..

here is an article for you to read. I think it explains the issue quite well.

I think the biggest issue is the use of god in justifying violent actions.

On an individual basis, I would say christianity doesn't sound very violent.

When I hear gods name being provoked as a means of justifying war or military action though, that is disturbing. Other religions look at that use of justification of the conflict having a more religious tone.

Hence the "god on our side" comment.

 

[Wolfrun]

Ruffy, when you get a little older and live life a little more I hope you will learn to defer to your elders a little more. When you have lived and done even a fraction of what AS has, you might have something to say but as for now, why don't you go play in the traffic and that is my opinion. Why are YOU here?

 

[ruffryder]

Ruffy, when you get a little older and live life a little more I hope you will learn to defer to your elders a little more.

You know, it seems like this is often used by old people to try and justify their point of view.

When you have lived and done even a fraction of what AS has, you might have something to say but as for now, why don't you go play in the traffic and that is my opinion.

So I can learn to talk to people like you and AS do? LMAO... Run and play in traffic aye? Funny, if I would have said that, I would get flamed, probably by you.

Why are YOU here?

I am here to DISCUSS points and issues. I am here to find out what the main issue really is between different points of view. Most often times there is an underlying difference that takes a little bit of work to get to, that explains the divergence in belief / attitude / point of view.

I am here to try and UNDERSTAND other points of view.

I am not here, like it seems most are, to just point out their own view, and how much better it is then everyone elses, and how dumb everyone else is. At least I try anyways.

 

[ruffryder]

As to the Muslim issue. The many people (soldiers) that I have talked to that have been deployed to Afghanistan or Iraq, they don't see the religion as an issue at all. They see the ignorance, they see the lack of knowledge, the isolation, as the problem. It is amazing what a society looks like when a majority of the people do not know how to read and they have a very limited education. Mostly about themselves physically and about the world around them.

It makes them easy targets for manipulation.

 

[previous member]

abominable,

Why are you here? Why are you in this discussion? Seems all you want to do is just state your own points and call everyone else dumb for not thinking the same.

Oh, and no one has said you don't have the right to your point of view. Not quite sure why you got all defensive about it.

So your experiences in Viet Nam are used to base your viewpoints about Muslims? I thought the majority of the people where Buddhists?

I am here to state my opinion, simple as that. Now, I would like for YOU to quote me where I have called someone else, "DUMB"...Please, for everyone to see, quote where I have done that.

I am sorry that you do not agree with my opinion of Muslims. It seems to upset you quite a lot. Are YOU a Muslim ?

 

[previous member]

Wow, you are either very young, very dumb and or just love Kool Aid. It is people with thinking like YOURS that have allowed this country to be flooded with our enemies, the Muslims, every last one of them is an enemy of the United States and none of them should stand inside the borders of this country.

In this post I said that WW was either very young OR very dumb. I did not say he WAS dumb. I put it out there as a possibility due to his opinion. It was MY opinion that he may be one or the other. I think regardless, I have the right to my opinion whether ole Ruffy likes it or not.

Ruffy, I have another question for you. What exactly is YOUR experience in dealing with people who are trying to kill you? Just curious since YOU seem to have such strong opinions about it. You must be like a former Navy SEAL or something similar I would assume.

 

[ruffryder]

In this post I said that WW was either very young OR very dumb. I did not say he WAS dumb. I put it out there as a possibility due to his opinion. It was MY opinion that he may be one or the other. I think regardless, I have the right to my opinion whether ole Ruffy likes it or not.

Again, no one is saying you don't. Why are you still talking about this? Probably should move to the next talking point.
Yah, didn't say he was dumb, just either he was young or was dumb. This logic is dumb. lol The point I was making was that you look at people with a different point of view as inferior to you.

Ruffy, I have another question for you. What exactly is YOUR experience in dealing with people who are trying to kill you? Just curious since YOU seem to have such strong opinions about it. You must be like a former Navy SEAL or something similar I would assume.

nope, never been in the service, never had someone try to kill me.

Though, I thought the point of this were Muslims? Not people trying to kill you? I have dealt with Muslims. They didn't try to kill me at the time. That is the point I am talking from.

AS, what is YOUR experience with Muslims? You seem to bring up Vietnam a lot, but they weren't Muslims where they?

 

[ruffryder]

I am here to state my opinion, simple as that. Now, I would like for YOU to quote me where I have called someone else, "DUMB"...Please, for everyone to see, quote where I have done that.

Thanks for taking care of that one for me. lol

I am sorry that you do not agree with my opinion of Muslims. It seems to upset you quite a lot. Are YOU a Muslim ?

Why are you sorry? Nope, it doesn't upset me. Not at all.

I am not a Muslim.

 

[previous member]

Hey Ruffy, glad to do your work for you. No problem. Hey, we have a difference of opinion on whether Muslims should be allowed in this country or not. Since I have literally put my life on the line for this country in the past that is what forms my opinion. You are entitled to your own opinion, I helped protect that right for you so use it to your best advantage.

I wouldn't stroke out over the whole thing if I were you. Go have beer, get some honey on your stinger. That will relax you and you will feel better.

 

[ruffryder]

AS,

So it is a no?

 

[previous member]

Again, no one is saying you don't. Why are you still talking about this? Probably should move to the next talking point.
Yah, didn't say he was dumb, just either he was young or was dumb. This logic is dumb. lol The point I was making was that you look at people with a different point of view as inferior to you.

nope, never been in the service, never had someone try to kill me.

Though, I thought the point of this were Muslims? Not people trying to kill you? I have dealt with Muslims. They didn't try to kill me at the time. That is the point I am talking from.

AS, what is YOUR experience with Muslims? You seem to bring up Vietnam a lot, but they weren't Muslims where they?

I was affected directly with what happened on 9/11. If you had lost someone close to you on that day I am sure you would have a much different opinion than what you do have. Like I have said before, people's opinions are formed by their experiences in life. I don't put you down for your opinion, I just point out that maybe it would be different if your personal experiences were different. In other words, ever heard the term, "walk a mile in my shoes"

"I thought the point of this were Muslims? Not people trying to kill you? "

You might want to pay closer attention, the two you mentioned in the above quote are one in the same as far as I am concerned. If you don't believe that, then your opinion simply is different. Don't forget that beer and stinger honey.

 

[framus]

What follows is ???

When Muslims imigrate to any particular western country en mass like the UK or France it's interesting what happens and what doesnt.
Your average Muslim locates where other Muslims live. They take full advantage of all the social benfits of the host country and thats where they can go down one of two roads. Integrate or become a misfit. The information they get to assimilate into the host country is usually at the community centers and Mosques and so on.

The leaders/Imams/Muhlas of the Muslim communities are where a great many of the problems lay. 10,000 little Hitlers. They demand Islam over country. They demand Islam over language. They demand Islam over...Constitutions, Bill of rights and laws that were crafted to protect and serve EVERYONE. They demand Islam over other religions in a profoundly disrespectful and bigoted manner. They demand Islam over integration...even partial...even a tiny little bit. They purposely make outcasts of themselves and then whine about everything and are even encouraged to do so. Why this new life isnt presented as an incredible oportunity...(that could never happen back home) should be the biggest damned mystery but oddly isnt. The versions of Islam these people get is racist, bigoted and lets not forget sexist.This dogma pretty much goes against the grain in every Western country, Yes? THEN WHY MR.PRESIDENT ARE YOU SUCH A FREAKING *****? TERRORISEM IS WHAT WE ARE AT WAR WITH. SAY IT!!

Just how many TERRORISTS will come from this upsidedown social experiment remains to be seen. The latest slaughter came from by all accounts an American. I believe he was 2nd generation. The oxidizer for this slaughter was Islam. It's difficult to get into someone's head when they can make planes into missiles or strap explosives onto themselves...even when you use God as a reason. I believe it is much more than that. I believe there's a racist hatred element to this. They hate us for our achievments, our relative ability to exist with others so different from us and much more.

Is it possible that Mulims or Islam cannot exist in a western society? Can you imagine a huge ever-sprawling community of Muslims that govern themselves by Sharia in America? I just cant see such two wildly different ways of life living next to each other. It has happened in France (in certain Paris neighborhoods) and they are trying desparatly in the UK. When the "French" Muslims are at odds with the government, Muslim youth (or your basic punks) go on a rampage and burn the cities. With the retarded liberal politicians in the UK they wont be far behind the French but I believe that "Joe Brit" will have his say so and do something about it were as it doesnt appear that the French much give a damn. France will more or less blueprint the clash of civilizations.

Whats of concern here is this Congress and administration. They can make some pretty bold boneheaded moves with their hate crimes and their rash amnesty legislation. Again, with this administration I believe that out of this terrorist event we are much more likely to get some sort of Muslim hate crime legislation than we are to get something that would protect your average American.

 

[swampwater]

swampy..

here is an article for you to read. I think it explains the issue quite well.

I think the biggest issue is the use of god in justifying violent actions.

On an individual basis, I would say christianity doesn't sound very violent.

When I hear gods name being provoked as a means of justifying war or military action though, that is disturbing. Other religions look at that use of justification of the conflict having a more religious tone.

Hence the "god on our side" comment.

Great so I will give you gthe same challange I gave to MHA and Luvetoride, since they refuse prove their statements you can do it for them, I posted in a previous post links to pictures of peacefull muslim demopnstrations in London and asked the post similar pictures of Christian demonstrations. Since you are so confident christians use god to justify I guess you call them "christian wars" You should have no problem posting the pictures, I have more from Denmark if you need to see them.

"Yale school of Divinity" there has been no divinity out of yale for hundreds of years. I did glance through the article and it seams to agree with my points however the authorsn experience is from an area noted for ethnic, not necessarilly religious turmoil, just as the sunnies and sheiites hate each other even though they are both muslim. And his statement that protestant-catholic religions are the cause of the war in northern Ireland is pretty simplistic, don't you think maybe the fact thaT England was basically taking over Northern Ireland might have something to do with it. Many communist organizations tried to infiltrate the Irish rebels, just as they have done in the US, racial strife, labor strife, the enviornmental movement etc, however the marxist were rejected by the Irish because they had rhe catholic religeous background , which abhores communisim.

 

[luvtoride]

What statement do I need to prove?

 

[swampwater]

Will wonders never cease Ruffy validating the conservative point oof view!! This means you agree with our stance in Iraq and Afghanistan since our actions there are to keep the radicals off of the local citizens so they can be free, rebuild gthe infrastructure, build schools, make it possible for muslim women to attend schools and get an education, basically civilize the country for the common citizens. Thanks Swampy

As to the Muslim issue. The many people (soldiers) that I have talked to that have been deployed to Afghanistan or Iraq, they don't see the religion as an issue at all. They see the ignorance, they see the lack of knowledge, the isolation, as the problem. It is amazing what a society looks like when a majority of the people do not know how to read and they have a very limited education. Mostly about themselves physically and about the world around them.

It makes them easy targets for manipulation.

 

[previous member]

What statement do I need to prove?

That you are not contemplating having a sex change. LMAO

 

[luvtoride]

na, I'm ok with being a guy.