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Minten, Minten, Minten.(big sigh). Obviously your teachers are overpaid.You are testimony to that fact everytime you make a post. I've been a teacher for 13 years now(before that I worked for a general contractor for almost 20 years) I work harder being a teacher than I ever did on a job site and I assure you, I busted my a$$ on job sites. 5 years of college(two majors) and I and every teacher I know deserve every cent of the small salaries we get and more. We dedicated our lives to educating and helping all kids, even the pretentious know -it-all little brats like you that have never worked a real day in their lives. I'm curious why you think we are overpaid? Anyone else with my level of education would make a lot more than I do. One day Minten, you may amount to something. I hope you do but you're a really, really, really long way from it. If you do however, I hope you use your big mouth (and the first rate education you are probably getting) to thank some of the people that helped you get there(probably a whole group of different teachers that put up with you) because you didn't do it on your own.

Now Minten, put down the keyboard and go stand in the corner.


I'm not saying that teachers don't deserve to be paid. It's just like I said. Some of them don't do ****. That's what bothers me. Also how they (LOCAL DISTRICTS), said it's all about the STUDENT. Yes it is. SO, when they went on strike and didn't start on time legal action was taken (It's illegal for a teacher to strike anyways, to my understanding... It goes both ways). As soon as a judge ordered them back to school and resume teaching then they immediately returned to work.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2009776655_noschool31m.html
http://www.kentreporter.com/news/51818272.html
http://mynorthwest.com/?nid=11&sid=207538

I am related to a few high/grade school teachers and I am pretty sure they don't make any where near the money being talked about by minpin. Usually after they get a masters and 10 years in they make decent money, but still not $80-90k . Most aren't in it for the money, they are in it because they love what they do and try make a difference. This is why I would not be a good teacher. I will try a couple times to explain something, if you can't get it by then you are on your own.

I know a lot of my teachers work hard. It's just not all of them do.
 
I'm not saying that teachers don't deserve to be paid. It's just like I said. Some of them don't do ****. That's what bothers me.

I know a lot of my teachers work hard. It's just not all of them do.

Welcome to life bro. This is the way of the world, no matter the profession. Some people are a$$-bags, plain and simple. Some people are amazing humans that will bend over backwards to help you succeed.

Both of these people exist in all walks of life...the question is, which group are you going to be a part of?
 
Dont fawk with teachers lol

I am pretty sure washington has a state wide salary schedule thats starts at like 33k for 0 years experience. Like any profession there is going to be loafers, I dare any man to go tell a elementary teacher that they don't work hard.
 
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I'm Korean, that's my excuse for not having good English skills, spelling? What's wrong with MY spelling? There are many others that need help than I. And BS? Which stories are BS? I may be joking around some times but I don't BS... A lot.... :D

So? Were you born here?

My wife is Mexican, her English is perfect, no accent or anything. Now her mother. ewwwwww. I try to avoid that like the plague

I'm half Canadian but you don't see me saying "aboot" and "eh":canada:
 
First page.

"Effective September 1st to August 31 2011"
I have some stuff I'm going to scan in. Give me some time.

Yeah ok, that one ended in August. But salaries didn't double for this new school year.

Nothing in what you scanned has anything about teacher salaries except the handwritten notes.

Try again.
 
Yeah ok, that one ended in August. But salaries didn't double for this new school year.

Nothing in what you scanned has anything about teacher salaries except the handwritten notes.

Try again.

Where did I say they doubled? and all those notes are conclusions based on the information given.
 
Education begins at home, not at school. If you don't show up with a work ethic and are ready and willing to learn, there is nothing I can do for you. If that in fact is the case, then your parents have failed you long before you got to me and not the teachers. Teachers are a pretty easy target these days for a society that doesn't want to take responsibility for poor parenting skills(obviously not all) and an over blown sense of entitlement. Teachers are at the very bottom rung of a really tall ladder and are stepped on by parents(it's our fault their kids stay up until 2 in the morning playing video games and then can't stay awake in class). By administrators(once again not all), school board members(most of which have never spent a minute in a classroom), legislators at every level of government, and most sadly of all, students who's parents have sent them the message that they can do what they want and are not responsible for any part of their education other than showing up every once in awhile. Everyone involved directly in the education process is evaluated on their performace because we demand accountability. Here's who we don't evaluate: School board members, state legislators, members of congress.(please don't tell me that we evaluate them by the election process every 2,4, or 6 years because thats crap) If I do a poor job, I can be removed. I don't get to stay there another 2,4 or 6 years.Try getting anyone of the one's I just mentioned out of their position, next to impossible. How about parents. I'll bet if we had some system of them being evaluated on parenting skills like they evaluate us on teaching skills, the whole face of education would change and test scores would rocket.
I generally find that the folks who blame teachers for a" failing education system", (and by the wy it's not. We graduate millions of highly educated students every year) to be the most uneducated of all. I will admit that we failed them because if you believe that teachers are overpaid and are the problem in education, then you ARE a moron. Once again- Education begins at home, not in the school.Rant over. Later.
 
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Easy on Minten there super-mod...remember, he's the idiot we like around here...he's not that other idiot...

I realize his ridiculous post hits home for you though, so I'll tolerate it this time. Watch out though, I got my eye on you. :fencing:

awwww how sweeeett...

Minten, Minten, Minten.(big sigh). Obviously your teachers are overpaid.You are testimony to that fact everytime you make a post. I've been a teacher for 13 years now(before that I worked for a general contractor for almost 20 years) I work harder being a teacher than I ever did on a job site and I assure you, I busted my a$$ on job sites. 5 years of college(two majors) and I and every teacher I know deserve every cent of the small salaries we get and more. We dedicated our lives to educating and helping all kids, even the pretentious know -it-all little brats like you that have never worked a real day in their lives. I'm curious why you think we are overpaid? Anyone else with my level of education would make a lot more than I do. One day Minten, you may amount to something. I hope you do but you're a really, really, really long way from it. If you do however, I hope you use your big mouth (and the first rate education you are probably getting) to thank some of the people that helped you get there(probably a whole group of different teachers that put up with you) because you didn't do it on your own.

Now Minten, put down the keyboard and go stand in the corner.

Id like to know what you consider busting your a$$ is on job sites.
Especially since you consider yourself to be this super hardworking teacher, when you have enough time to make 25000 posts with your free time, and write such awesome things to a 15 year old. in this thread he never mentioned the word overpaid, he was more wanting other peoples thoughts.
But i wonder how good it makes you feel as a teacher (dedicating your life to these kids) when you tell little 15 year olds they dont amount to anything. they're nothing, and "being a really really really long way from" anything.

so let me get this straight... your saying that you are a hardworking teacher, who dedicates his life to educating and helping all kids, who writes 10's of thousands of posts, and talks chit to little 15 year olds? Congratulations you are a 13 year long teacher that just contradicted himself at least 2 times in 1 paragraph.

you must be the teacher everybody at the school talks chit about.
you know what? i disagree with you. i dont think you deserve whatever money you get for being a teacher. i dont even you should be a teacher.
you are bad for a kids mind and his self esteem.

Minten i do wonder if your numbers are a little off... i went to Graham Kapowsin Highschool ( ranked number 5 highschool in the nation ), and the teachers there were making 26-60 grand a year.

At 35 years old and looking back on my high school years the one thing I would definitely change and will instill in my children is the amount of importance that is put on going to college. It was absolutely drilled into my skull that college was the ONLY option after high school. I completely disagree with this philosophy. I went to college right after high school, basically to play hockey. I could have done this in the Junior leagues. I floated through the academic portion not really knowing what the hell I wanted to do, wasting time and money. It wasn't until I gained some life experience in the "real world" that I started to get some direction. I see a huge number of college kids now that go through the same thing. I would encourage more vocational programs or military service for future generations. Are there a large number of kids out there that college is right for? Definitely! I just don't think it is for everyone. I see nothing wrong with getting a job right after high school and trying to earn a living in the world. Nothing is better for finding out what you don't want to do...
On the teaching topic. I am marrying a teacher this year, so I am a little biased. I don't think that they are overpaid one bit. When you think about the massive responsibility they have for shaping our future generations, I think some are underpaid. Like anything though, there are exceptions. I have seen numerous teachers who are there just to collect a paycheck and do the bare minimum. Maybe a more thorough evaluation process is needed in some cases. I do know this. Enjoy your high school years! You will make a ton of mistakes, but I like to call those "character builders". Things you do now will have an impact on the rest of your life, so try to make the most of it.

I agree. and its alot harder to get a job out of college now days, so most of the money goes to waste, cause most weak minded students would get discouraged, then most likely not get the job they went to school for. it seems to be more on the rare occasions where a students college experience ended in their favor. i graduated H.S. with a 2.3 GPA, but have made more money than most people i knew my age because of the skills i had attained without any college experience. if i were to do it again, i'd go to school to further educate myself on mechanical engineering and working with CAD programs cause it was really fun.

Education begins at home, not at school. If you don't show up with a work ethic and are ready and willing to learn, there is nothing I can do for you. If that in fact is the case, then your parents have failed you long before you got to me and not the teachers. Teachers are a pretty easy target these days for a society that doesn't want to take responsibility for poor parenting skills(obviously not all) and an over blown sense of entitlement. Teachers are at the very bottom rung of a really tall ladder and are stepped on by parents(it's our fault their kids stay up until 2 in the morning playing video games and then can't stay awake in class). By administrators(once again not all), school board members(most of which have never spent a minute in a classroom), legislators at every level of government, and most sadly of all, students who's parents have sent them the message that they can do what they want and are not responsible for any part of their education other than showing up every once in awhile. Everyone involved directly in the education process is evaluated on their performace because we demand accountability. He's who we don't evaluate: School board members, state legislators, members of congress.(please don't tell me that we evaluate them by the election process every 2,4, or 6 years because thats crap) If I do a poor job, I can be removed. I don't get to stay there another 2,4 or 6 years.Try getting anyone of the one's I just mentioned out of their position, next to impossible. How about parents. I'll bet if we had some system of them being evaluated on parenting skills like they evaluate us on teaching skills, the whole face of education would change and test scores would rocket.
I generally find that the folks who blame teachers for a" failing education system", (and by the wy it's not. We graduate millions of highly educated students every year) to be the most uneducated of all. I will admit that we failed them because if you believe that teachers are overpaid and are the problem in education, then you ARE a moron. Once again- Education begins at home, not in the school.Rant over. Later.

but you are this awesome hardworking teacher who dedicates his life to helping these kids. oh, and did i mention that you are a teacher? and that you dedicate you life to these kids? then teach them the more important lessons in life with your hard workingness.

I can't wait till Doggers responds to this.

you are an instigator for chit talking teachers. so now i know that rockdog has a little kid mentality since he's so influenced by others to put others down. good job on that one.

I think minten's a good kid, i dont see him writin immature ignorant completely out of this world stuff, and at least he engages in conversations, and does his to be intelligent about it... he may be a little off, but people grow up.

you rockdog should favor those kinds of kids.
not put them down with your awesome self...
 
Ignoring the salary piece for a bit, did anyone else notice that almost 55% of the students at that school qualify for reduced/free lunch? Ouch. What does it take to qualify for that these days anyway?
 
Wow. A 2.3 GPA. Pat yourself on the back. Not sure where you went to school, but that is a joke to obtain in most high schools. And, sadly, a joke at the college level as well.

Certainly you may be financially ahead of many peers at this point in your life, but 20-30yrs from now it is their fancy toys you will work on/for. That is the idea of delayed gratification. And believe me, this happens over, and over, and over again. The average increase in the amount of money a person makes in a lifetime upon graduating from college is mid 6 figures compared with a high school graduate. But, a lot of happiness in not based exclusively on money. After making $75k per year, studies show that happiness doesn't increase.

More happens at college than just a book based education. Belief systems are tested. Without parents to run to. You discover the repercussions of poor time management mean more than a bad grade, it means wasting your own money. You meet a broader scope of humanity and talents than in most any other setting the world has to offer. With a collective goal of learning. Until you have been there, you cannot decide the value of that experience.

But is seems you have a chip on your shoulder toward the educational system or you wouldn't blast its supporters so violently. I have had many one day teaching experiences and wouldn't want that job to save my life. Fine folks such as yourself make it a horrible experience. The kind that I am amazed doesn't drive all of them to a bottle of strong alcohol.

To the teachers of the world, no matter what the level, thank you for putting up with the dirge for the students that are worth the effort.

-T
 
Ol Dirstick (snowmobilsrme) needs an *** beating by his father is what he needs!

Did I say ***, oops forgot he's gay.


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Wow. A 2.3 GPA. Pat yourself on the back. Not sure where you went to school, but that is a joke to obtain in most high schools. And, sadly, a joke at the college level as well.

Certainly you may be financially ahead of many peers at this point in your life, but 20-30yrs from now it is their fancy toys you will work on/for. That is the idea of delayed gratification. And believe me, this happens over, and over, and over again. The average increase in the amount of money a person makes in a lifetime upon graduating from college is mid 6 figures compared with a high school graduate. But, a lot of happiness in not based exclusively on money. After making $75k per year, studies show that happiness doesn't increase.

More happens at college than just a book based education. Belief systems are tested. Without parents to run to. You discover the repercussions of poor time management mean more than a bad grade, it means wasting your own money. You meet a broader scope of humanity and talents than in most any other setting the world has to offer. With a collective goal of learning. Until you have been there, you cannot decide the value of that experience.

But is seems you have a chip on your shoulder toward the educational system or you wouldn't blast its supporters so violently. I have had many one day teaching experiences and wouldn't want that job to save my life. Fine folks such as yourself make it a horrible experience. The kind that I am amazed doesn't drive all of them to a bottle of strong alcohol.

To the teachers of the world, no matter what the level, thank you for putting up with the dirge for the students that are worth the effort.

-T

I clearly was not bragging about my 2.3 GPA. go read it again.

I have teachers that I'm really good friends with, and others that I can't stand. I can't stand the ones with a chitty negative attitude. And I'm not worried about where I'll be 20-30 years down the road as i have built a few foundations for myself starting since before I was in high school. and I work with a company that down the road pays up to $1000 a month for a car an up to $3000 a month for mortgage on a house if I keep performing well. it's a very solid job and I love it. it doesnt even have anything to do with any of my learned skilled trades. and I didn't have to have a college degree. all i was saying is I agree with the other guy that said the same thing as I did, and I gave an example. college isn't for everybody. personally, in my honest opinion college is a pure ripoff for most. And bein on your own as soon as you graduate can teach u all the life lessons u can learn from college ( and more ) REAL quick.

Being on my own was tough at times and the teacher/friends I've had offered me their couch if things ever got rough. so I do have a huge respect for teachers cause some are good genuine people. I just don't have respect for one's teaching profession who talks about how wonderful of a teacher he is then in the same paragraph talks to a 15 year old student like that when all he's doing is discussing something on his mind whether he's bored or is really trying to figure this stuff out. Rock dog does a little kid such as Minten really get under your skin that much as an online forum member?
 
and here is my opinion on your original issue Minten:


if most of the teachers at your school are making 80 grand a year, almost very damn one of their students better be getting at least a B average or greater. if not, the yes they are way over paid. I understand that most teachers make anywhere from 26-55k a year. that's perfect depending on how long they've been teaching, what course, and how well the teachers perform. which isn't hard to evaluate you just have to look at the student's grades.
 
Education begins at home, not at school. If you don't show up with a work ethic and are ready and willing to learn, there is nothing I can do for you. If that in fact is the case, then your parents have failed you long before you got to me and not the teachers. Teachers are a pretty easy target these days for a society that doesn't want to take responsibility for poor parenting skills(obviously not all) and an over blown sense of entitlement. Teachers are at the very bottom rung of a really tall ladder and are stepped on by parents(it's our fault their kids stay up until 2 in the morning playing video games and then can't stay awake in class). By administrators(once again not all), school board members(most of which have never spent a minute in a classroom), legislators at every level of government, and most sadly of all, students who's parents have sent them the message that they can do what they want and are not responsible for any part of their education other than showing up every once in awhile. Everyone involved directly in the education process is evaluated on their performace because we demand accountability. Here's who we don't evaluate: School board members, state legislators, members of congress.(please don't tell me that we evaluate them by the election process every 2,4, or 6 years because thats crap) If I do a poor job, I can be removed. I don't get to stay there another 2,4 or 6 years.Try getting anyone of the one's I just mentioned out of their position, next to impossible. How about parents. I'll bet if we had some system of them being evaluated on parenting skills like they evaluate us on teaching skills, the whole face of education would change and test scores would rocket.
I generally find that the folks who blame teachers for a" failing education system", (and by the wy it's not. We graduate millions of highly educated students every year) to be the most uneducated of all. I will admit that we failed them because if you believe that teachers are overpaid and are the problem in education, then you ARE a moron. Once again- Education begins at home, not in the school.Rant over. Later.

That's correct. Teachers get blamed for that stuff. But that's not what I'm trying to say.... :focus:

Ignoring the salary piece for a bit, did anyone else notice that almost 55% of the students at that school qualify for reduced/free lunch? Ouch. What does it take to qualify for that these days anyway?

I'm not sure. I don't even eat lunch anymore. That's 800 people that I'm paying for again....

To the teachers of the world, no matter what the level, thank you for putting up with the dirge for the students that are worth the effort.

I totally agree with that too. Most kids in my school make me want to ******************************************** * **************************************** ************ .
Leave it at that .
 
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