rmk 800 VE vs new sleds?
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I think you mean a step up from a stock mountain max.....when you throw "any" in the mix......well, you are way off base. mine was a good one for sure, but nothing that could not be duplicated. remember the stuff davidoff was pullling on his max?
I've been watching the edge versus rider forward comparison for years and have seen several hundred hillclimb/powder comparisons with Revs, Dragons and Doo's. From what I've seen the performance gain you see in the powder is due to the 2.5" track, not more power being delivered. I've been on a few dealer rides where the latest and greatest is being showcased. It generally turns out that a well tuned edge will run with and in many cases outrun any other 800cc sled being sold today with the exception being a deep powder run. I'd be willing to bet that a well set-up edge with a 2.5 and drop and roll would also perform just as well in the powder as any. If you ride in an area where the snow is generally set up instead of bottomless I wouldn't be one bit afraid of going with a low dollar used edge. If you're not a tuner take it to a reputable performance oriented dealer and have it set up properly. I still ride with a few supertuned edges that eat up all the latest and greatest day after day. These guys are going to ride their edges until something better comes along, instead of just hype and marketing.
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I own a 03 ve 800. All my friends ride new stuff(09 m8, 09 rev 800). I do really enjoy riding the new sleds although they are a completely different animal. That being said one of the first deep rides of the season and me and my buddies were out doing some climbing. My old trailing arm sled was doing so well it was like the rescue sled. I spent most of my day riding around from friend to friend helping them get unstuck. Don't get me wrong i am not saying that if the wife said yes i wouldn't get a new sled, but my old sled will definately hang with the new stuff, sometimes outshine. I might be a little more tired at the end of the day, but i am not afraid of a little work out.
Whatever you decide on let us know.
SUMMER SUCKS!
I own a 03 ve 800. All my friends ride new stuff(09 m8, 09 rev 800). I do really enjoy riding the new sleds although they are a completely different animal. That being said one of the first deep rides of the season and me and my buddies were out doing some climbing. My old trailing arm sled was doing so well it was like the rescue sled. I spent most of my day riding around from friend to friend helping them get unstuck. Don't get me wrong i am not saying that if the wife said yes i wouldn't get a new sled, but my old sled will definately hang with the new stuff, sometimes outshine. I might be a little more tired at the end of the day, but i am not afraid of a little work out.
Whatever you decide on let us know.
SUMMER SUCKS!
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snowmobiler
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Have you considered there where about 100x more edges rulling the hills back then .
To boot you don't see any MM in the hills anymore , but you got to admit you still see lots of edges.
Alot still hang with the new 800's.
Well said that's my point.... I own a 09 xp and a 08 163 d8 and still have buddy's running the edges... I can tell you what I SEE...
Sorry no MM in our group anymore.
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theultrarider
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Sounds like your mmax is setup very similar to the one I built for my ex. I ride a modded 03 vertical escape (edge). As much as I love that sled, I would never give up what you are currently on to go to an edge. Your mmax motor is way more reliable, especially as it ages. I've gone through a couple cranks as have most, as well as the top ends just because of the milage on it. The edge's were one of the best ever "out of the crate", but with the mods you have listed on your mmax, they would be so equal that it would be a wash. Now, try to sell your mmax for more than about $2500...good luck with that. It is worth way more than to you I know. Just no market for a used one. The 07 D7 is a great sled, and you are right, not many used ones for sale because they are as bullet proof as your mmax has been. Good luck with your decision and pray for snow!
I've got an 03 edge with the aforementioned 2.5 and d/r... I get a lot of crap for having trailing arms in the parking lot from the guys on dragons...but no one says much once we're in the hills
I gotta say, I love my 02 800 Edge RMK
3,000 miles on it and no motor work since I have owned it... been pull and go
The newer 900 IQ and M1000 sleds I have ridden do ride nice, and have more power (definitely more torque) compared to my little old 800, but there are times I love the 'liteweight' feel of the Edge. It certainly handles different, and I can see my self updating to a new rider forward sled soon, but for now I wouldn't hesitate to recommend an Edge. I know I've certainly had a great experience with mine
3,000 miles on it and no motor work since I have owned it... been pull and go
The newer 900 IQ and M1000 sleds I have ridden do ride nice, and have more power (definitely more torque
) compared to my little old 800, but there are times I love the 'liteweight' feel of the Edge. It certainly handles different, and I can see my self updating to a new rider forward sled soon, but for now I wouldn't hesitate to recommend an Edge. I know I've certainly had a great experience with minethere is NO comparison between old and new. the ONLY people on here saying the old chassis are worth a **** are the ones still riding them. once you upgrade, you will jump on the old pile of **** and think "how the hell did i ride this thing??". i came off a zx summit which was the sled to have back in the day and then i bought a rev. i thought the rev was awkward and no way i would like it over my zx. well i rode it a few times then took a buddy out and let him borrow my zx. i hopped on that zx for a pull up a hill and couldn't believe how ancient it was. i now have a m1000 and it makes my rev look silly. technology advances very quickley and the old iron is just that, old iron. people that still have the old dogs want to believe they can hang, but that is just because they don't own a new one yet. they season they buy a new one, they will never go back to the old dog.
True, but maybe we're still riding them because we think they're still worth a ****?
I've ridden M8's, XPs, Revs, Dragons, and Turbo Apexs and Nytros (and a N/A nytro, although only the engine was stock). I can certainly afford a new sled, but I like mine. The only sled I would consider switching to is a turbo M8...but it'd cost 10G more than mine is worth and would only slightly out perform it. (It'd be about 10lbs lighter and have 40 more HP when I'm not on the bottle, same when I am). So why "upgrade"?
i'm really not trying to a jerk here but you prove my point. you've "ridden" these new sleds but havn't owned one. it's not just the weight or power, it's the overall rideability the new ones have compared the old ones. the feel, the way they apply the power, the way they responds.... not just the power and weight. even just the strength and energy it takes to ride one. i promise if you actually owned a new one, then tried to ride your current one after riding the new one five times, you'd ask yourself why you waited to upgrade. again, i'm not trying to be a jerk, but i've been in your shoes and thought the same things you are right now. i never believed that the new oens are that much better until i owned one
EDIT: i'm not saying everyone has to ride new sleds, i dont care either way. but if someone is looking to upgrade sleds, i would highely suggest a newer m7 over an older rmk
Still... that doesn't make them bad sleds... just cause the latest and greatest $10,000 sled does things a little better, and a little easier, that doesn't take away from the fun factor... I get a big ol smile every time I hop on my "old Iron", can the fact that my buddies ride 'newer, better' sleds take that away from me? No, because at the end of the day, even if I am more wore out than they are, I still had fun and you cant tell me otherwise
That's cause we're all deaf!
Remember the first time you heard it? You said, "Now that's what a sled should sound like." And I told you...wait 2 hours and see if you still feel that way
I don't think you're being a jerk at all, you articulate your points and try to convince me of my naivety in a well thought out manner. But, you've never seen my edge or even know the short list of parts on it, so I understand why you don't understand that it will not be out performed by any stock new sled, in any category, including ride, power, response, etc. Mag yours won't count next season. And since I have much less into it than the cost of a new sled, I can't see spending more money for a lesser sled. Although I do love BNGs.
And you're right, I've only ridden new sleds, not owned them. That's because I rode them and decided they weren't worth buying. There's been a few times I was sure I'd buy a new sled as soon as I got back to town because mine was acting up, but even brand new dragons have more issues than mine (pistons/shocks).
Still... that doesn't make them bad sleds... just cause the latest and greatest $10,000 sled does things a little better, and a little easier, that doesn't take away from the fun factor... I get a big ol smile every time I hop on my "old Iron", can the fact that my buddies ride 'newer, better' sleds take that away from me? No, because at the end of the day, even if I am more wore out than they are, I still had fun and you cant tell me otherwise
You don't gotta shell out $10,000 for an upgrade to an 09. I just sealed the deal on a 09 600rmk for half that. and i know therre are lots of 07s out there that are cheaper than that
sorry, just picked out a number I thought I read earlier in the thread...
still, the rest of the comment I stand by
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spook222
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I own an 800 rmk, and still like the sled and had a blast on it, but after stepping off my M8 back onto the rmk, well, its hard not to be amazed how well the new ones handle, but for me, I love the fuel injection as much as the handling of the M. I love to be able to roll it on its back to get unstuck, and still have it start 1st pull and never worry about the jetting also, just my 2 cents, power wise, I don't see much difference though
