Proud to NOT own a Polaris anymore

[C S Fever]

[QUOTE=starfire99;2716101]If honda and kawie jumped into the market, polarisourous would be the BSA of the snowmobile industry. Still can't believe they pushed ktm to the side and have now struggled with engine technology since '05, then posted record sales, profits and bonuses... who can argue with their management style?? Well, if you don't spend money on technology and limit warranty payouts, thats one way....buy shares in polaris and buy your toys from japan![/QUOTE]

Kawie has been there done that! Any of us old boys can remember kaw sleds and engines in cat and deere and all the problems that they had! So pol isn't just the only one who has had issues. BTW the guy who got my 10 has drove the crap out of my old assault and it has not failed with 1400 miles. The PCV works and the fix just makes it live longer. So awesome chassis that is affordable and quick easy fixes, what is wrong with this picture?

 

[Butta]

[QUOTE=starfire99;2716101]If honda and kawie jumped into the market, polarisourous would be the BSA of the snowmobile industry. Still can't believe they pushed ktm to the side and have now struggled with engine technology since '05, then posted record sales, profits and bonuses... who can argue with their management style?? Well, if you don't spend money on technology and limit warranty payouts, thats one way....buy shares in polaris and buy your toys from japan!

Kawie has been there done that! Any of us old boys can remember kaw sleds and engines in cat and deere and all the problems that they had! So pol isn't just the only one who has had issues. BTW the guy who got my 10 has drove the crap out of my old assault and it has not failed with 1400 miles. The PCV works and the fix just makes it live longer. So awesome chassis that is affordable and quick easy fixes, what is wrong with this picture?

What's wrong with this picture?? I'll tell you....the reason these are going to be so cheap is because of those loyal consumers who spent their hard earned cash at dealerships buying brand new machines with very little real support from the company that is raking in the cash on their purchase are LOSING THEIR ASSES ON THESE POS's. Those owners who give Polaris their ability to make such huge profits are the same ones that Polaris refuses to provide a solid and REAL fix for these problematic machines. The dealerships aren't making a ton, but Polaris reports unprecedented profits.

Sure, the guy who buys it from the original owner has the makings of a cheap and very potent machine....after some aftermarket mods are done. But the failure of Polaris to honor the loyalty (and reciprocate that honor) to the original purchaser is what pisses me off. **and, by the way, I'm NOT one of those people....I just hate the principle and shoddy workmanship***

Buying a used Polaris does nothing to support Polaris....the original purchaser is the one that Polaris should cherish and protect, yet it seems that the original purchaser is the one getting screwed the most....I don't get it....

 

[C S Fever]

What's wrong with this picture?? I'll tell you....the reason these are going to be so cheap is because of those loyal consumers who spent their hard earned cash at dealerships buying brand new machines with very little real support from the company that is raking in the cash on their purchase are LOSING THEIR ASSES ON THESE POS's. Those owners who give Polaris their ability to make such huge profits are the same ones that Polaris refuses to provide a solid and REAL fix for these problematic machines. The dealerships aren't making a ton, but Polaris reports unprecedented profits.

Sure, the guy who buys it from the original owner has the makings of a cheap and very potent machine....after some aftermarket mods are done. But the failure of Polaris to honor the loyalty (and reciprocate that honor) to the original purchaser is what pisses me off. **and, by the way, I'm NOT one of those people....I just hate the principle and shoddy workmanship***

Buying a used Polaris does nothing to support Polaris....the original purchaser is the one that Polaris should cherish and protect, yet it seems that the original purchaser is the one getting screwed the most....I don't get it....

I agree with you on the fact that poo should be looking after this but you as well as I know that won't happen. I just was saying that it is possible to keep them running. I am sorry you had a bad experience but your dealer has to be your advocate when dealing with the company. If they want to keep your business they will look after you regardless of what poo warranty claims dept says and it is BS that the dealers have to take pictures and send them back to Medina for some putz to OK your claim, but that is the way poo has decided to do business! I guess voting with your wallet is one way of dealing with this, and I understand this completely. But do you think that Poo actually cares if you took a loss selling your sled that it would bother them that you are not going to be a repeat customer. Right now poo has the most successful new chassis on the market and are picking up market share all the time so I guess treating customers bad when you make a mistake works!! Hey Butta I feel your pain buddy!

 

[JUDD]

i think they will sell out to bigger company

The true owners must be getting ready to sell. They keep buying up more companies, so their portfolio numbers look good. If they sell before the numbers drop they make out and someone buys a company headed into the ground.

I watched the same thing happen to K2 in the ski industry. First snowboards, then skis, then bikes, then bought mammut and some other outdoors companies. Now they are owned by Jarden Corp., Thats the company that makes house lamps, mr. Coffee, duraflame logs, and a million other cheap things all made outside the US.

Funny comming from a couple of guys who started in their garage, were extremely proud to be american, and stood behind their product until they sold their rights away.

I can say that after spending $15000 to get 1200 mi. out of a new sled, that they wont help fix, im done buying anything associated with polaris. And will be removing any money invested into someone who does business with Polaris. NO HSBC, NO GE CAPITAL, NO DEALERS THAT WORK WITH POLARIS,NO COMPANIES SELLING US BANDAIDS, NO ONE THAT EVEN DISPLAYS A POLARIS STICKER, will see a dime of my money.

I Believe the underlying problem maybe negative timing under load in the mid range. Most vehicles will correct themselves, i dont think this one does it fast enough to save the motor. Negative timing will send computer haywire, which will lead to a whole **** list of problems. Not always the same problem, and doesnt always cause failure. This would be an engineering flaw. basically never dyno tested motor with load at mid range.

 

[polaris dude]

Luckily for me the 600s from polaris are the most solid platform out there. These things are absolutely bulletproof, and as soon as I feel its time for an upgrade, I'll either buy a used 2012 600 155, or get Karl's BB kit and run the sled till its 10 years outdated

 

[Litre1000]

My 09 Assault has had no engine/electrical problems yet. I love riding it. It's pretty cool looking. But this situation troubles me deeply. This depression Obama keeps fueling makes it impossible for me to get some other sled. I wanna install "the fix" as a preventative measure. But after shelling-out 10k for this thing, it makes me mad to think I gotta do it to just continue riding it. Buying new sleds these days is not as exciting as it used to be. Very, very expensive. And not worth the money, considering how unreliable they are.

 

[FriscoProx]

It's all risky with these things but the Fix does address the biggest problems with these engines. I just installed my kit Sunday, the piston fit for mine was night and day (.015 for the newest stockers that were scored at 130 miles and .006 for the Fix). And with the shim and the taller pistons, the pistons aren't wabbling around in the cylinders. You may have gotten lucky with a decent pair of stock pistons and it may work out for you, but if you don't, you will burn down your top end or even worse, break a skirt and take the entire engine out. The $600 ain't bad all things considered.

 

[Litre1000]

Do ya just stick their pistons in your cylinder as is? Or did ya send your cylinders out, with their pistons, and rechrome and bore to match?

 

[pura vida]

had an 09 dragon 155 that i paid $9700 for in march of 09. sold it oct 10 for $7500. rode the piss out of it for 1300+ miles (would have been more but put over 1000 miles on the mod sled too) and the thing ripped. loved it. only issue was the hesitation at the bottom which was mostly solved by an SLP single. but that was minor. the chassis was awesome. only thing better is the new PRO chassis. 1300ish miles on it without issue one. yes some had issues, and i feel for those who did, but the vast majority of the cfi4 ran fine. yes polaris should fix those that fail but for a few they are not. so you can either continue to bitch about it and sit around all winter while your sled is in the shop or spend the money on different pistons (hint, the 2011 pistons are slightly bigger) and a pc5, bitch about the money you had to spend for a few weeks and how you got screwed by polaris, and then spend the rest of the winter enjoying the back-country like the rest of us. but good god, we get it, you hate polaris, i'm sorry you had a bad experience but move on and go find something else to enjoy. you will be a happier person and won't hate your life so much if you aren't so angry all the time. life is to short. and to be honest everyone already knows that some have had issues with the cfi4 motors. it's pretty much a beat to dead horse already.

pv

 

[akrevrider]

It's all risky with these things but the Fix does address the biggest problems with these engines. I just installed my kit Sunday, the piston fit for mine was night and day (.015 for the newest stockers that were scored at 130 miles and .006 for the Fix). And with the shim and the taller pistons, the pistons aren't wabbling around in the cylinders. You may have gotten lucky with a decent pair of stock pistons and it may work out for you, but if you don't, you will burn down your top end or even worse, break a skirt and take the entire engine out. The $600 ain't bad all things considered.

Was the scored pistons in your sled from the latest Polaris Update Kit?

Do you think that .006" is too tight of a clearance or did you file the rings to fit the Wiesco pistons better?

Did the cylinders need new nicasil or to be honed?

Appreciate the info.

akrevrider

 

[JUDD]

in my case i would buy diff parts

Sure would be nice to get and estimate in under a month. That would help me get out and ride the 725 inches we have so far. But i havent been out since january.

And yes i would like to buy something else but thats hard when you have dropped 15k in 2 yrs. and still only have a pile of broken parts.

 

[Litre1000]

Being a General Motors Master Tech, as well as an ASE Master Tech, I know, and have always, sent the cylinders out with the new pistons to achieve a proper "fit". I was just curious if people were following this procedure when purchasing this new kit. The reason is, "the fix", as advertised, sounds "affordable", until you add in the cylinder rechrome/bore cost. Just curious if people were just shoving the new pistons in and riding, with no work being done to the cylinders. I"m thinking my Assault has survived thus far because my dealer inspected the piston-to-bore spec before assembling, ensuring no out-of-spec parts were used. When I brought the sled home from having the "update" performed, I immediately installed a PCV before riding it. So far, so good. I can't ask the dealer if my suspicion is true, because the tech/shop manager has passed-away. He was a fantastic engine builder and racer, which is why I did business with them. We saw eye-to-eye regarding repair procedures and techniques. I haven't been back to the dealer since for repairs. But then, I haven't needed any.

 

[milehighassassin]

Nicasil isn't going to go out of spec like an iron sleeve will.

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[ElectroTech]

Not exactly sure how what I said about handling on an 800 class sled relates to a Yamaha since they don't have one, obviously have to compare apples to apples not apples to bricks.

 

[Sanpete Sledneck]

Buy a Arctic Cat and you will love to go riding REALLY!!!!!!!!!

 

[akrevrider]

Installed the Fix Kit this season

Originally Posted by FriscoProx
It's all risky with these things but the Fix does address the biggest problems with these engines. I just installed my kit Sunday, the piston fit for mine was night and day (.015 for the newest stockers that were scored at 130 miles and .006 for the Fix). And with the shim and the taller pistons, the pistons aren't wabbling around in the cylinders. You may have gotten lucky with a decent pair of stock pistons and it may work out for you, but if you don't, you will burn down your top end or even worse, break a skirt and take the entire engine out. The $600 ain't bad all things considered.

Was the scored pistons in your sled from the latest Polaris Update Kit?

Do you think that .006" is too tight of a clearance or did you file the rings to fit the Wiesco pistons better?

Did the cylinders need new nicasil or to be honed?

Appreciate the info.

akrevrider

Installed new 2009 cylinders along with the Fix Kit. The pistons both have .005" clearance and the ring end gap was spot on at .020"

Also installed the 2008 hi-comp head & fuel map.


akrevider

 

[440dart]

Until Polaris or another brands customers boycott the new products coming along the problems with existing platforms won't go away. If everyone who had lost a motor said to hell with polaris then you might see a change. All this talk about I don't like how XXX manufacturer handles is BS,


I said this about 2 years ago and everybody threw a fit i had threating letters to kill me jokeing lol but i got ragged on bad i thought it was bs that people were throwing the pcv on when they thought it was the "fix" and they thought it was perfectly fine to spend the extra money on a 10k sled just to ride it.

Then the pro came out and told people not to buy it as they dont even have the D8 fixed if they can make a 900 run and the 800 run why buy a new pro its not going to run either, and told them that now that this new pro is out there going to forget about the d8 guys and everybody got pissy with me about that also its sad to say but whos getting the last laugh now.

Polaris makes it hard because the iq is such an awsome sled atleast my 700 is and i hear the pro is even better they are just all around good handleing sleds but just lack in the engine department. Even if they charged a $1000 more on each sled to pay for better quality engines they would still sell like crazy and you wouldnt have this problem of piss poor engines.

Good luck to you pro guys and D8 guys that are haveing massive amounts of problems

 

[teamdsn]

this is all a matter of dealer period. i blew up my 2010 assault twice last year. had my sled back within 10 days both times. warrantied and rebuilt. not saying i like having to do that but it is what it is. buy a tin can doo chassis sled and come ride with us and see how your bulkhead/tunnel holds up. those aint covered under warranty last time i checked.