Okay, serious question

[Silber]

1 Day on the DYNO and the PUSH kit is good to go, thats a good one GINO.

 

[Vi-PEC Powersports]

Justin, if you would have showed up that day, then you could understand. boost is boost for any turbo kit builder. we have dump into The ECU a file we had and 2 cord pull later it was up and running, then we fixed the idle(2 min) and we started to map his ignition curve wich is why we were there. after that we fixed the WOT fueling and set the electronic boost controller,and staged injection(third injector). all the boosted 2 stroke tune's infrastructure is already done from last year, now it is just a matter of tweaking a bit the ignition(very little and already done) and a few hours(1-2 maybe) on the snow(for ken,not the end user) and that is it. fueling is the easiest to do(specialy with the mixture map function in the software)..................what was a lot of work was the compensation tables to build but once done , it is done for good and apply for any turbo application. Just too bad you didn't come that day, we were there and you could have seen how easy is the system once the tuning infrastructure is done.

 

[Vi-PEC Powersports]

here is a snapshot of the mixture map wich makes fuel tuning a breeze

 

[mountainhorse]

Holy CRAP...This kind of back biting is horrible...

In general... most of the peeps on here are great people... but then egos and feelings get pinched a bit and... down hill slide.

I've seen every brand... and I mean every brand of kit out there have problems... enough to make a person change brands... and the same brand have loyal followers who have bought and love multiple units from the same mfg...

Turbos are not for the faint of heart, they take tweaking and tinkering... yet to see a true install, pull-n-go kit that did not require any adjustment...

Whats the saying about glass houses and stones?

C'mon... get along peeps... you have more in common than you think!!

 

[Scott]

This thread turned into a chit show starting with Silber at post #12...and going right on into Prescioin EFI's posts.
And there is a lot of cleaning up that I should do in this thread.
Some of you vendors and dealers are cutting off your own nose despite your face.

In this thread for now, I think I'll let your own words stand as a testiment to what kind of person you are.

They are YOUR words people, choose them carefully. Your business is at stake.

 

[smwizzz]

What the...???

I think this thread was to gather info for a rider who wants to turbo his sled???

Honestly, I believe there are lots of good kits available. I installed BD and they are basically a plug in system, by this I mean the connectors are designed to be pulled apart and plugged into the new connectors. If I remember correctly only one wire had to be soldered. This is a sale for those looking for simple.

I know lots of other kits are using similar wiring setups. A turbo provides boost. It is simple. One could get into the aero dynamics and such but realistically the controls are the part we all struggle with. The plumbing is important for sure and boost leaks are a big factor in tuning. These little things must be installed properly for the controls to function properly.

Once the install is close to perfect the tuning has to be in laymans terms so we average people can understand the basic functions. Boondocker is one of the few that are relatively simple. Boost It is also simple. They are both tuneable by the average turbo enthusiast and you do not require a CPU to tune or tweak the tune. I am not sure about BD, but Boost It does data log the o2 readings every 200 RPM so tuning is relatively simple and accurate.

I don't know about alot of other controllers. I had an Adrenaline box, which I am assuming is the one referred to in this thread as Dobek. There were other versions/names stuck on these boxes. They worked relatively well in their generation. I never fully understood the flashing lights and struggled with mine. I had a difficult time trying to watch lights when I mashed the throttle and was busy driving my sled. Data logging is a modern trend that is IMO a Must!!!

Prologger is another that does data logging. There is a similar thread posted in the Boosted Yamaha section and it seems a few of the peeps have migrated between the two threads providing entertainment and in a few helpfull cases... some good information. I realize that Yammy and Polaris are two completely different animals but in consideration of who has the best info... it may be worth a read.

Cheers!!!

 

[rmk2112]

This thread turned into a chit show starting with Silber at post #12...and going right on into Prescioin EFI's posts.
And there is a lot of cleaning up that I should do in this thread.
Some of you vendors and dealers are cutting off your own nose despite your face.

In this thread for now, I think I'll let your own words stand as a testiment to what kind of person you are.

They are YOUR words people, choose them carefully. Your business is at stake.

I totally agree Scott!

This is like watching 2 retailer's argue in the parking lot, so busy playing the blame game, they don't notice that all of both of thier customers are walking by them shaking thier heads to shop at a competitor, (airing your dirty laundry in public will ALWAYS backfire in you!)

 

[Super Sled]

I've seen every brand... and I mean every brand of kit out there have problems... enough to make a person change brands... and the same brand have loyal followers who have bought and love multiple units from the same mfg...

Turbos are not for the faint of heart, they take tweaking and tinkering... yet to see a true install, pull-n-go kit that did not require any adjustment...

Thank you MH and several others who have addressed my questions, it was very thoughtful of you. This is really on point to what I was asking. And I am now realizing what a financial and time commitment a turbo will be. Definitely not something to jump into with out your eyes wide, wide open the constant maintenance a turbo requires. I'm gonna keep thinking about whether a turbo would suit me, especially at the lower elevations I mostly ride at.

 

[paulharris]

Been around push's kits for past 4 years, Never once seen one that runs good. However hes a good guy and offers good support to his customers.

My pro has pulled many PUSH sleds back to our testing cabin together.

Go Ken keep up the back stabbing work.

Wow,

I have been selling and installing the Push nytro kit for over a year and it is one of the best running, most reliable kits i have ever used. they are very high quality and a clean design for an incredible price.

Yes the polaris kit is new and will take some time to prove itself, but Push's quality and innovative, clean design remains the same. The vipec controller is very exciting and is changing the game in 2 stroke turbos.

 

[jeepin270]

siber

Hey Justin, nice of u to come on here and show how much of a butthole u r. Bashing ur fellow competitors.

 

[jeepin270]

Very bold and misleading statement yourself,after looking around I found one thread on here maybe two with the Silber dissapointment thread and he admitted to being a butthead with Justin and got cut off so he started the thread.

I found LOTS of threads and posts about people being happy with and praising Silber's service and his kit.
You cannot go on slandering people and their products on the inter web,eventually its going to cost you $$$$

Slandering people? Tell me Smokey, how many otherturbo company's have u heard of cutting off someone that bought there kit? Why don't u do a search on here and let me know. There isn't any. There was all kinds of people that have complained about issues and customer service, not one that says they were cut off.

 

[backcountryislife]

Really? Strange, cause the ones i got sure looked alot like the ones on YOUR website, not anyone elses. So you build the box and go "here you go, have fun figuring it out" eh? Looks to me like you are inviting these problems. Maybe you should look into some basic guidelines for your dealers, some standards so you dont look like a complete tool. I know if MY reputation was on the line, i would be for making damn sure my dealerships werent making me look like a fool.

Of the turbo kits I've seen with Dobeck controllers... they all had instructions from the turbo MFG.

Wow... this thread is the biggest SH** show I've seen in quite a while.

So much BULLSH** being spewed on here it's unREAL. I'm glad I've got a big heavy POS proclimb so I don't have to decide between ANY of these guys in here.


Btw, of all the silber kits I've seen here in CO... all of them ran pretty well. If you compare the people installing Silber kits themselves, to the ones installing BD kits themselves... the silber seems to turn out more reliable & consistent. If you're having an installer do it... use whatever the guy YOU trust is used to working with.

 

[Super Sled]

Despite all the fighting, there were many gents who answered my questions with polite responses, and I appreciate it.

Mods, could you please just delete this entire thread as it got way out of hand and is not a credit to SW.

 

[FCR112]

I gotta say this thread has me leaning towards Boondocker, at least they are not on here airing out their dirty laundry.

The Silber kit may run good when set up well, and there is a great guy here in CO doing installs, but these posts and a couple last year have been the deciding factor in at least one person (me) not snowchecking the product, again...

Negative marketing working I guess.


Bcil.. as far as this being the biggest sh*tshow you have seen in quite a while... must be time to start planning a cidiot boondoggle with about 50 guys, whattaya call that again... The beacon Olympics. I keeed I keeed
(no offense meant to any cidiots )

We need to ride together some more so you get used to bigger sh*shows!

 

[m8magicandmystery]

I gotta say this thread has me leaning towards Boondocker, at least they are not on here airing out their dirty laundry.

hmmm..you raised a pretty good point...lol..