Okay, serious question

[allied1]

^^x2

 

[allied1]

Im one of hundreds extremely happy silber turbo owners. 0ft to 12000ft the sled rocks. Glad to see justin on here!

^^X2

 

[OutWest]

I see this is just like every other thread on snowest that goes completely off topic. I was trying to stay away from dramawest....but OutWest's post was a little out there.

I can tell you that 90% of all the problems with our controllers are the people pressing the buttons. I probably had 30 or so people send their controllers back to me last year off Silber's Kits, Push Kits, Aerocharger Kits, HM Turbos Kits, etc. I think I only replaced a couple boost sensor and that was just cause I didn't want to hear anymore complaining. Most of the time it turned out to be the users not being able to adjust the controller or problems with the sled.

I actually invited anyone to Dobeck to prove me wrong last year and all kinds of people showed up.....and the result was NEVER a problem with the box.

All had Silber Turbo Kits
Watts Up Toyz came by 2 times. First time was 4 sleds and every controller worked like it was supposed...but the sleds on the other hand not so well. They had TPS issues, fuel pumps and boost lines with zip ties pinching off hoses. The second time samething....tps issues. I even went for a ride with Bryan and Troy. We had 3 Silber turbos out that day on a good 2-3 foot day. All the sleds ran great expect Troy's that was having a "DET" issue that turned out to be a TPS issues causing an over rev which puts the sled in to DET mode....I could elaborate but that would be over most people's heads.

We had another gentlemen stop by from Canada and he had gone through 2 engines which we got blamed for. I start taking apart the sled and find that the reference line for the controller had rubbed on the jack shaft. Kinda hard for that line to build pressure with a 1 inch wide hole in....but that was the controller's fault. I put Silber's base line settings in the controller and went out and rode it in the grass. Seemed to run good so he went onto Cooke City for the weekend where he never touched the box and just rode all weekend. Part of the reason for him going to Cooke City was to meet up with the Vipec crew to check out how their sleds were running. He then called me on his way back to Canada to tell me how amazing his sled ran in Cooke City and how he destroyed a HM Turbo with a Vipec on at the same boost level....but if you ask anyone...that didn't happen......whatever......Needless to say I still talk to him all the time. He loves his sled now and he has decided that 8 psi is a lot to hang onto. So his sled was tuned at 4000 feet and ran great for him at cooke at an elevation of 7500-10000 feet.

I'm not going to say that our controllers are 100% perfect and the most bad*ss thing on the market but they work good for what people spend on them. A Vipec is going to work better than any plug n play but you have to be able to tune it and afford it. People can't understand 6 modes and 3 push buttons how are they ever going to be able to tune a Standalone. I'm sure someone is going to come on here and say that you never have to tune a Vipec but that is a straight up lie.

Anyone is invited to Dobeck this winter to prove that our controller is failing. If the issues are Dobeck's fault then we will pay and if the problem is not the Dobeck's fault then the customer will pay for our shop time.

Well if you feel that i was out there, well i am sorry.. But i dont lie, maybe they didn`t have any luck with their product for all that i know. Now they got pc5 and bd boxes with not a single failure whatsoever, some of them have been tuning and running turbo sleds for a couple of years now. And one person actually bought Boost it system for his Silber kit because of that dobeck, now his sled is running like a rocket. But these are just a small % of the customers, you said your self that your product isn`t 100%. Nothing is. I can tell that you dont like what i wrote and that is ok, i didn`t wrote that to be nice or funny, i just wrote what i am been told from people that own these kits and boxes. Maybe dobeck boxes is good and i can ride for years without a failure, maybe not. I dont know what to buy and when, maybe i buy a silber kit, maybe bd, maybe push or twisted? Who knows.. I guess i would be satisfied either way.

 

[stocksucks!!]

again i am another very happy silber customer.
product is great.fit finish.instalation all great.
tech suport was always there.
when another turbo me and a buddy bought didnt show up after 2 months of them having our money in full..
we told them to give us our cash back and they did.
justin came through 2 weeks later we had 2 turbos at our shop.

i did blow up a motor this winter runing 7-8 lbs of boost at 5000+ft on 105 octane.
and if i had went with the other kit i would have not got a new motor on waranty
because of justins easy instalation and no modifications.
took it into the dealer i didnt buy my sled from but lots of parts from.
he knew i had a turbo on it but put back to stock and sure enough.
piston ring rolled over from lack of oil also my main crank seal went so waranty motor for this guy.
be turboed another 300 miles and going strong
thank you justin bought another 2013 pro and thinking of having to silber turboed steeds in my stable. u know should have a spare turboed sled right.

thank you for building a kit that is awesome and your service is awesome.

justin was on the phone with my for over an hour on the side of the hiway figuring out that i had my brand new sleds. plug wire had wore right through and was grounding out on the head..

 

[mike_s]

I see this is just like every other thread on snowest that goes completely off topic. I was trying to stay away from dramawest....but OutWest's post was a little out there.

I can tell you that 90% of all the problems with our controllers are the people pressing the buttons. I probably had 30 or so people send their controllers back to me last year off Silber's Kits, Push Kits, Aerocharger Kits, HM Turbos Kits, etc. I think I only replaced a couple boost sensor and that was just cause I didn't want to hear anymore complaining. Most of the time it turned out to be the users not being able to adjust the controller or problems with the sled.

I actually invited anyone to Dobeck to prove me wrong last year and all kinds of people showed up.....and the result was NEVER a problem with the box.

All had Silber Turbo Kits
Watts Up Toyz came by 2 times. First time was 4 sleds and every controller worked like it was supposed...but the sleds on the other hand not so well. They had TPS issues, fuel pumps and boost lines with zip ties pinching off hoses. The second time samething....tps issues. I even went for a ride with Bryan and Troy. We had 3 Silber turbos out that day on a good 2-3 foot day. All the sleds ran great expect Troy's that was having a "DET" issue that turned out to be a TPS issues causing an over rev which puts the sled in to DET mode....I could elaborate but that would be over most people's heads.

We had another gentlemen stop by from Canada and he had gone through 2 engines which we got blamed for. I start taking apart the sled and find that the reference line for the controller had rubbed on the jack shaft. Kinda hard for that line to build pressure with a 1 inch wide hole in....but that was the controller's fault. I put Silber's base line settings in the controller and went out and rode it in the grass. Seemed to run good so he went onto Cooke City for the weekend where he never touched the box and just rode all weekend. Part of the reason for him going to Cooke City was to meet up with the Vipec crew to check out how their sleds were running. He then called me on his way back to Canada to tell me how amazing his sled ran in Cooke City and how he destroyed a HM Turbo with a Vipec on at the same boost level....but if you ask anyone...that didn't happen......whatever......Needless to say I still talk to him all the time. He loves his sled now and he has decided that 8 psi is a lot to hang onto. So his sled was tuned at 4000 feet and ran great for him at cooke at an elevation of 7500-10000 feet.

I'm not going to say that our controllers are 100% perfect and the most bad*ss thing on the market but they work good for what people spend on them. A Vipec is going to work better than any plug n play but you have to be able to tune it and afford it. People can't understand 6 modes and 3 push buttons how are they ever going to be able to tune a Standalone. I'm sure someone is going to come on here and say that you never have to tune a Vipec but that is a straight up lie.

Anyone is invited to Dobeck this winter to prove that our controller is failing. If the issues are Dobeck's fault then we will pay and if the problem is not the Dobeck's fault then the customer will pay for our shop time.

I find this commical. All of this defense, and the simplest answer could lie in the fact that your customer service sux. Your directions are hard to read and interperate, mispelled (still trying to figure out how im supposed to "cute" the yellow wire...), the colors on the images are inverted making it nearly impossible to tell what youre looking at. And to top it all off, the directions included in the last kit i worked on were not even for the box that was delivered! I had to talk to a friend of mine who happens to build and sell turbo kits utilizing your boxes to get the wiring figured out. Guess you have to be a high traffic autorized dealer before they will take you seriously. And before you say it, its not inexpirience (i have built my own controllers to control dual pumps on duramax engines), its simply that no one would answer phone calls, and the directions havent been updated since the first box came out. All in all, i will not be going through that again, i will find alternate means of controlling EFI should i ever go that route on my own personal sled.

PS, dont buy a turbo kit from "Turbo Boyz" aka "Turbo Performance" out of utah. His service sucks just as bad.

 

[ghost rider]

Turbo

Turbos and what kit and who's has more power are subjective. Everyone wants to defend the kit they bought and say its the best, we just spent thousands on a kit. Secondly most who are buying these kits these days are first time owners and aren't tuners( doesn't help kit builders). To get a good running kit for your elevation and riding style takes a fuel controller u can write or tweak your own fuel program(boondocker, boost-it). Dobek is not to blame for the most part but the turbo seller putting the program in is. They can't tune your sled in perfectly for your elevation and riding style and your stuck with a program u can't change without a laptop!
Next is clutching(enough said)!
Who has more or less lag depends on the comments above, it's that simple(for some).
I do own a boondocker turbo and am biased because I like the fuel controller and Garrett turbo. I ride with Silber and Aero turbos and I wouldn't give mine up for any of them. I've burned mine down because stock injector shorted out so wether stock or turbo'd it happens. Out of 10 Silbers installed locally 5 burned down and only 2 ended the year wanting to keep them on the sled for upcoming season(4 installed by Justin and half those with issues). So b careful getting on here thinking that everyone's happy, 20% ain't to shiny.
So if your planning on buying a turbo and anal about how it runs buy one with a fuel controller that u can control fuel mapping without a laptop. For those who don't know any different and just like how much power a turbo makes when holding throttle at one position buy the cheapest kit.
FYI- Silber turbo kit with boondocker fuel controller runs really good

 

[polaris dude]

this is an interesting thread

 

[Vi-PEC Powersports]

I see this is just like every other thread on snowest that goes completely off topic. I was trying to stay away from dramawest....but OutWest's post was a little out there.

I can tell you that 90% of all the problems with our controllers are the people pressing the buttons. I probably had 30 or so people send their controllers back to me last year off Silber's Kits, Push Kits, Aerocharger Kits, HM Turbos Kits, etc. I think I only replaced a couple boost sensor and that was just cause I didn't want to hear anymore complaining. Most of the time it turned out to be the users not being able to adjust the controller or problems with the sled.

I actually invited anyone to Dobeck to prove me wrong last year and all kinds of people showed up.....and the result was NEVER a problem with the box.

All had Silber Turbo Kits
Watts Up Toyz came by 2 times. First time was 4 sleds and every controller worked like it was supposed...but the sleds on the other hand not so well. They had TPS issues, fuel pumps and boost lines with zip ties pinching off hoses. The second time samething....tps issues. I even went for a ride with Bryan and Troy. We had 3 Silber turbos out that day on a good 2-3 foot day. All the sleds ran great expect Troy's that was having a "DET" issue that turned out to be a TPS issues causing an over rev which puts the sled in to DET mode....I could elaborate but that would be over most people's heads.

We had another gentlemen stop by from Canada and he had gone through 2 engines which we got blamed for. I start taking apart the sled and find that the reference line for the controller had rubbed on the jack shaft. Kinda hard for that line to build pressure with a 1 inch wide hole in....but that was the controller's fault. I put Silber's base line settings in the controller and went out and rode it in the grass. Seemed to run good so he went onto Cooke City for the weekend where he never touched the box and just rode all weekend. Part of the reason for him going to Cooke City was to meet up with the Vipec crew to check out how their sleds were running. He then called me on his way back to Canada to tell me how amazing his sled ran in Cooke City and how he destroyed a HM Turbo with a Vipec on at the same boost level....but if you ask anyone...that didn't happen......whatever......Needless to say I still talk to him all the time. He loves his sled now and he has decided that 8 psi is a lot to hang onto. So his sled was tuned at 4000 feet and ran great for him at cooke at an elevation of 7500-10000 feet.

I'm not going to say that our controllers are 100% perfect and the most bad*ss thing on the market but they work good for what people spend on them. A Vipec is going to work better than any plug n play but you have to be able to tune it and afford it. People can't understand 6 modes and 3 push buttons how are they ever going to be able to tune a Standalone. I'm sure someone is going to come on here and say that you never have to tune a Vipec but that is a straight up lie.

Anyone is invited to Dobeck this winter to prove that our controller is failing. If the issues are Dobeck's fault then we will pay and if the problem is not the Dobeck's fault then the customer will pay for our shop time.

first of all, we never were smoked by any sled in cooke city.....we didn't race anybody!! that week end we tuned HM turbo kit and tuned only.lots of people test drove them and the feedback was realy good and that is why shane's kit are going out the door this year with the ECU and that is why push turbo kit all are sent out with the ECU(ken was there jerking around trying to "tune" your fuel box(for a year and a half!!) and he did swing a leg on my sled and came back after 40 minutes and you know the rest of the story)....so this is a lie. Your controller permitted to start all the turbo 2 smoker venture and for that i am saying thank you, but now it is obselete because there is some other stuff out there way better.
the problem with the box is the box itself, you may think all dobeck box owner are dreaming alive when they say they have replaced your controller and their sled ran fine finaly, but wake up buddy, it is a fact not a dream. even when your box is working 100% it is not doing the job properly by his concept/design(to our standards anyway).
This winter, i am sure we will get some bad report, good report,ok report from the end users , i'm sure there will be bad turbo installation, people trying to mess with the programs ect. but it is part of the deal! and we will be there to help(dataloging is realy sweet to find problems).The ECU will not cure all problems related to 2 stroke technology but every single parameters on the sled can be tuned and therefore,you are getting all the reliability you can expect from a turbo kit(of any kind, including silber). guys like shane(hm turbo) spent a lot of time on their tune last spring and you can trust levi and shane's work it has been supervised by us and there sleds are running extremely good, so Ken's will, so turbo performance will,so turbine tech's will ect. will they be problem free? no but we have the tools in the ecu to find a lot of problems(more than digital wrench anyway!). finaly, we won't say all the time "tps was off" to all customer because we can calibrate the tps in 10 second with the ECU so it won't be our prefered excuse all year long......

last thing i want to say is: you 2 stroke turbo riders, pleasse understand a 2 stroke turbo sled requiere some weekly maintenance and need to be supervised(on the hardware)....when installing, be meticulous and ziptie loose wires, make sure anywire aren't rubbing againts hard stuff(because factories sucks at this) make sure to add dialectic grease on open source sensors(tps is on of them) ect...we all can't prevent an oil pump to go bad and rip your cylinders but we all can make a 2 stroke turbo sled reliable in the EFI department with a true ECU but we need to overview the hardware regularely.

 

[Vi-PEC Powersports]

HAHA, Dude are you serious, You should just quit, maybe the dobeck boys and some other customers that meet with you this last wintr will chime in on the truth.
I hope so!!i am urging those guys to jump in!
I will agree, our turbo kit is not 100% and it may never be, however we strive for a consumer kit, that is very user friendly, easy install, and affordable for most.
and i agree with that. your kit is well put together and i never said the opposite.
Do you see us on every turbo thread, saying if you had our product it would run and run 100%. NO.
i never said we are going to make every kit 100% but i will say again it will make any turbo kit with any controller runs better and your kit is one of them.
remember mike(from push turbo west yellowstone) called you, in july while we were mapping Push turbo kit at bikeman asking you to bring one of your turbo sled so we can show you what we can do with the ECU .....YOU DIDN'T SHOW UP ....we were there waiting for you 2 hours from you and we were willing to start mapping your kit for free, tell us all this is a lie?? i did what i had to do flying to your place, offering you our services for free, and most of all, proving you we have a great product never seen in the 2 stroke industry....if i wasn't sure of our ECU do you realy think i would have engaged 4000$ coming to your place??

Get a life Precision EFI.
i already have one realy exciting!

As for you snowesters, stay tuned for some great humor. I have a friend that had to ride a push sled for 1/2 a day. He is tempted to get on here and post his experience. I will leave it to him.
it might very well backfire to your face Justin.....do you remember francois(he lives an hour from me) from chicoutimi, quebec?? you sent him a kit 2 years ago and he is now on is 5th motor....he is tempted to chime in too....keep it clean Justin, you are pissed because Push is now in the polaris market ....why are you so mad? does he needed your approbation or what? remember i was in minessota in july and i know what's going on and why with 0 reasons you go all out at Ken....why taking this public platform when you can jump in your car,drive a few hours and go talk to Ken if you have a problem?? very immature. i know by answering you on this thread i am loosing you as a potential customer but since i was there in july when some of your best friend called you to come that we were offering to show you with honesty what this ECU is capable of, you declined the invitation and now you are backstabbing Ken because you got informed that day he was doing a polaris kit and on top of it you are jumping on me also?? it is just too bad this forum is full of vengence all the time, we are going to meet each other this winter ...would have been better to have a few beers, hit on pretty womens at night,drive all together in the day and party again at night!!! hope it will turn like that independately of what's being said on here....

 

[stocksucks!!]

way to much drama here..
i and thousands of other snowesters would agre
BACK TO TOPIC..

and it was also stated eariler in the post.if a company sells more kits they are gonna have more problems simple..

think of it like your trucks. ford.chev.dodge.toyota.nissian

they all sell a pile of trucks maybe not so much the toyota and nissian but all have problems and it only takes one a$$ to bash on it big time but what about the tens of thousands that are very happy..

ps. i live up north in b.c canada and i see 80+ trucks and cars every day at our shop.so i see my share of, this trucks sucks and so on....as far as i can tell they all have there own problems no one is 100% but they try there best to be. just like all the turbo builders are doing..

 

[snow4shover]

All of our customers are responsible for their own instructions. So unless you have an EJK or TFI unit then dobeck didn't make the instructions.

I find this commical. All of this defense, and the simplest answer could lie in the fact that your customer service sux. Your directions are hard to read and interperate, mispelled (still trying to figure out how im supposed to "cute" the yellow wire...), the colors on the images are inverted making it nearly impossible to tell what youre looking at. And to top it all off, the directions included in the last kit i worked on were not even for the box that was delivered! I had to talk to a friend of mine who happens to build and sell turbo kits utilizing your boxes to get the wiring figured out. Guess you have to be a high traffic autorized dealer before they will take you seriously. And before you say it, its not inexpirience (i have built my own controllers to control dual pumps on duramax engines), its simply that no one would answer phone calls, and the directions havent been updated since the first box came out. All in all, i will not be going through that again, i will find alternate means of controlling EFI should i ever go that route on my own personal sled.

PS, dont buy a turbo kit from "Turbo Boyz" out of utah. His service sucks just as bad.

 

[snow4shover]

finaly, we won't say all the time "tps was off" to all customer because we can calibrate the tps in 10 second with the ECU so it won't be our preferred excuse all year long......

Ok so your ECU will be able to loosen the screws on the TPS and remove the throttle cable off the throttle bodies.........so it comes with a Trunk Monkey? Cause that is the only way to reset the TPS totally. Re-calibrating with the ECU will not fix any of the TPS problem correctly.

Don't even get me started on Shane Hart and Levi. I personally I helped them tune their sleds all last year. Their sleds ran great with our controllers but then "someone" would change the settings in the box cause they thought 12.5-13.0 afr was too lean....so they put EGTs on to prove me wrong and come to find out 12.5-13.0 was pretty safe. They then tuned the sled to a richer AFR and then the sled wouldn't build any heat in the pipe with egts in 1000s.

Last I talked to Ken his sleds were running good but he wanted to remove fuel from the stock map due to a rich condition. His last tune up was working good with the dobeck box but he wanted more. He wanted to be ab le to change timing and pull fuel.

I don't mean to bring names into this but the stretching of the ttrruuttthhh is misleading people in their decisions.

PRECISION EFI you are becoming a fisherman. If you can record data lets see a run with a Det sensor cause all last year you were not running it.

BTW...Ask Jake from Mild to Wild how turbo days went and how a 1000 SDI was the fastest sled there.

 

[mike_s]

All of our customers are responsible for their own instructions. So unless you have an EJK or TFI unit then dobeck didn't make the instructions.

Really? Strange, cause the ones i got sure looked alot like the ones on YOUR website, not anyone elses. So you build the box and go "here you go, have fun figuring it out" eh? Looks to me like you are inviting these problems. Maybe you should look into some basic guidelines for your dealers, some standards so you dont look like a complete tool. I know if MY reputation was on the line, i would be for making damn sure my dealerships werent making me look like a fool.

 

[Vi-PEC Powersports]

Ok so your ECU will be able to loosen the screws on the TPS and remove the throttle cable off the throttle bodies.........so it comes with a Trunk Monkey? Cause that is the only way to reset the TPS totally
You must be kidding me right? and you are the dobeck expert? OMG.
Re-calibrating with the ECU will not fix any of the TPS problem correctly.
Tell me i am dreaming.....

Don't even get me started on Shane Hart and Levi. I personally I helped them tune their sleds all last year. Their sleds ran great with our controllers
i ran his 800 one day before switching to our ECU and it was running no more than OK, with same hesitation than all other one i tried and no bottom end. but then "someone" would change the settings in the box cause they thought 12.5-13.0 afr was too lean
they were correct, 12.5-13.0 is way too lean for long pulls WOT.....
so they put EGTs on to prove me wrong and come to find out 12.5-13.0 was pretty safe.
see that is the difference with you and us, "pretty safe" is not in our vocabulary,i guess it is "pretty safe" to run same timing as OEM when adding 10 lbs of boost?and the list goes on and on and on .
They then tuned the sled to a richer AFR and then the sled wouldn't build any heat in the pipe with egts in 1000s.
Never heard about "TIMING" ?

Last I talked to Ken his sleds were running good but he wanted to remove fuel from the stock map due to a rich condition. His last tune up was working good with the dobeck box but he wanted more. He wanted to be ab le to change timing and pull fuel.
that is why he is giving us a try i guess.

I don't mean to bring names into this but the stretching of the ttrruuttthhh is misleading people in their decisions.
so easy trying to scare people away!!
PRECISION EFI you are becoming a fisherman. If you can record data lets see a run with a Det sensor cause all last year you were not running it.
the det was disable for tuning purposes and we didin't focus on measuring the threshold ....when we build a map, we NEVER activate the det sensor, why? simply because we want to see what are the max we can get out of a tune, we always go step by step,little bit by little bit and that is why we never blown a motor testing, no "pretty safe" guesses for us.

BTW...Ask Jake from Mild to Wild how turbo days went and how a 1000 SDI was the fastest sled there.
i don't care who was fastest ,or the slowest, the only thing that's count for me is at turbo days, 5 vi-pec sleds took a beat for a complete day, none of them failed, and none of them had an hickup or a slight hesitation,and most of all none of them were running more than 8lbs. you can call cody philips(cody philips racing,also a member here) and ask him what he thinks of our ECU?? he is running his sled at 18 lbs all last feb-march-april......ask him and come back on here.

your product as it place for some people and our product same thing....stop insinuating we are misleading people...

 

[gus bohne]

Wheres the sew hungry nut hugger !!!
thats all you bashers are missing...LMAO


Chris, no one and NO controller or ecm is perfect all the time in every application, YOU understand this I believe to at least some point.

Whoever Precision is ( your tactics display this and you hide behind a screen name ) lets agree his own sled was a disaster as was SKADI's.. ( Oil pumps do not fail ring lands ).

Vipec needs to understand they should be targeting the high end user not the average joe. Motec is the competition for you not dobec or boost it or haltech etc etc.

We all have our theories and tunes , those of us who day in and day out tune and debug OUR OWN and others KNOW where to look and what to look for because we have seen it or done the same stupid thing ourselves in the past.
I will never believe 2 stroke turbos are for the masses, there is just to many nuances that only passion and experience will teach you to identify in the field. How many bad box tunes can be directly traced to poor combos of turbos reeds heads and stingers ?? LOTS

It would help immensely if there was a std but as hot rodders we always feel 1 is better suited to us than another..

How do you teach the new owner that he will see high egt's when to rich or retarded just like when to lean ? He has to learn to identify sound and feel as well . ( I hate egt's on turbos ).. but I understand the need. You can tune by them after you have a known tune but try to base a tune on them at all throttle positions and your chasing your tail..

I commend anyone who tries to sell KITS to the masses, Its a no win deal. For every home run you have 4 fouls and 3 walks. Its just the nature of the 2 stroke beast on boost. That bolt and go mentality doesn't come so easy to these . For the hardened veteran, its easy to just look and listen to a sled and know what's up. Hardened vets are few BUT are becoming more prevalent every passing season, each "STICK WITH IT "newbie is a far better more satisfied owner on their 3rd season. By then its almost pull and go every time . Thats when we get jaded and start looking at selling KITS to others because WE have learned the ropes. There is NO substitute for that 2nd season to make a better customer of us all.

Again NO shots at any of the kit guys as YOU guys paid your dues and are sharing that knowledge with your customers, its when you get those few who cant seem to hit the ball per say , they drain you with constant phone calls and internet questioning, you start to NOT answer the phone for its now dragging you down mentally as well. HOW the frig can this guys be flying yesterday and all f''ed up today ?? Always the same blame game, always I checked that or NO its not that,, ..

Fawk.. imagine the phone calls when it a v6 carbed merc outboard? YOU ruined my season!!!! I flipped my boat it over boosted !!! HOW the hell do I adjust my vanes and WHY do I have to ? .. there is always 1 and in the case of the guy who sells more kits it becomes several thorns.

If you are going to get into a turbo for the first time. look for a friend or make friends with someone who has 1 as they will be at your side or within reach not on the other end of the phone and will get you past that first yr.

PLEASE be mentally prepared to stick it out a 2 nd year EVEN if you wrestle the entire first one as NO real 2 stroke turbo owners are quitters. You gotta be tough and determined to make it to the level of knowledge you need to be a pull and go rider/ owner. For once you reach that point , there is NOTHING any 4 stroke can do to make you smile on boost like your little 2 stroke does. AMEN.


Gus, 23 yrs of this **** and the first 2 yrs I shelved more engines than the entire US population of polaris owners.. Now I can laugh about..haha oof

 

[INDEEP]

"finaly, we won't say all the time "tps was off" to all customer because we can calibrate the tps in 10 second with the ECU so it won't be our prefered excuse all year long......"

I believe that's Polaris' preferred excuse not Dobek. Every other Polaris thread leads to TPS in the Polaris section. Very rarely do you hear about TPS in any of the other manufactures threads.

 

[friscospices.com]

gus for turbo president

Well said, I am excited for another year (year2) on my turbo Pro

 

[smokindave]

Excellent post Gus...

 

[Vi-PEC Powersports]

Wheres the sew hungry nut hugger !!!
thats all you bashers are missing...LMAO


Whoever Precision is ( your tactics display this and you hide behind a screen name ) lets agree his own sled was a disaster as was SKADI's.. ( Oil pumps do not fail ring lands ).
my 2009 dobeck was a disaster you are right. my standalone sled is 4500km and runs great with the hm turbo kit, from sea level to 12000ft.
about Skadi's sled, send me your email and i will "share" a few pictures and emails from emilie and daryn. after receiving ALL INFOs, then you can make up your own mind with unbiased infos.
did you know her sled prior to the ECU installation have hit the det mode more than 100 times?? i have her piston pictures, so if you are the expert you say are,you will understand what happen PRIOR TO ECU INSTALLATION. it is just amazing the ECU gave her an extra month of riding considering the prior damages that engine suffered.

Vipec needs to understand they should be targeting the high end user not the average joe. Motec is the competition for you not dobec or boost it or haltech etc etc.
the hi end features are for experimented tuners, but most of the software is and can be programed by the average joe with a bit of reading or skype demonstration. with hm turbo and push turbo the customer won't need to program it is done already. most important is to be able to use the logger adequately wich a 8 years old can do( my son is doing it!!), we can fix problems if any with the logger 90% of the times.

finaly, i agree with you a turbo 2 stroke sled is not for everybody,but with the ECU, it is now way more reliable and most likely very easy to operate, plus it is taking the sport to a new level on controling the EFI parameters

 

[mike_s]

Wheres the sew hungry nut hugger !!!
thats all you bashers are missing...LMAO


Whoever Precision is ( your tactics display this and you hide behind a screen name ) lets agree his own sled was a disaster as was SKADI's.. ( Oil pumps do not fail ring lands ).
my 2009 dobeck was a disaster you are right. my standalone sled is 4500km and runs great with the hm turbo kit, from sea level to 12000ft.
about Skadi's sled, send me your email and i will "share" a few pictures and emails from emilie and daryn. after receiving ALL INFOs, then you can make up your own mind with unbiased infos.
did you know her sled prior to the ECU installation have hit the det mode more than 100 times?? i have her piston pictures, so if you are the expert you say are,you will understand what happen PRIOR TO ECU INSTALLATION. it is just amazing the ECU gave her an extra month of riding considering the prior damages that engine suffered.

Vipec needs to understand they should be targeting the high end user not the average joe. Motec is the competition for you not dobec or boost it or haltech etc etc.
the hi end features are for experimented tuners, but most of the software is and can be programed by the average joe with a bit of reading or skype demonstration. with hm turbo and push turbo the customer won't need to program it is done already. most important is to be able to use the logger adequately wich a 8 years old can do( my son is doing it!!), we can fix problems if any with the logger 90% of the times.

finaly, i agree with you a turbo 2 stroke sled is not for everybody,but with the ECU, it is now way more reliable and most likely very easy to operate, plus it is taking the sport to a new level on controling the EFI parameters

I dont mean to step on anyones toes, but take it from someone who has been through the "log-email-tweak-email-load-run-repeat" scenario many many times before with far more advanced ECUs and software, its not as easy as pie, and it takes literally MONTHS to get anything right this way. Trust me. Been there done that, its not as cut and dry as most think. Just sayin. Something to think about.