So how much does it cost per fill up. How many OZ in a bottle.
Octane Boost With 91 or even 85
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Do you care to elaborate ? Your math made sense to me. I am interested in why he says you need 1/2 as much. "because I said so would not be a good enough reason for me ". Unless he is replacing top ends lol
It all depends on what you start out with I talked to Torco and if you start with say a 95 octane fuel you will bump up to 108 Octane.
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m8matt
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Honesty can't really elaborate anymore. Had a conversation with Shane. He told me how much to mix. I have bought 2 turbo kits from him and he hasn't turned me down a wrong path yet. I just trust him I guess. If he says it works...it works.
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hatchers
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im running it, 30-40% reduction in fuel cost for me and what im mixing vs what i was running....understand, not everyone mixes or runs the same fuel, so some will see a minimal advantage (see note 1)
ill report back after a few hundred miles
(note 1) i will say this, gotta love the pump snap at higher boost that you can only get on a pumper and/or lower boost levels...thats a huge deal for me
ill report back after a few hundred miles, and this stuff is not torco
ill report back after a few hundred miles
(note 1) i will say this, gotta love the pump snap at higher boost that you can only get on a pumper and/or lower boost levels...thats a huge deal for me
ill report back after a few hundred miles, and this stuff is not torco
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Can I ask why, if you are running a turbo, you won't run straight 100LL Av gas? I ran it in my turbo Yamaha without a hitch,(not sure how fussy the 2 strokes are with turbo's) at 14 pounds boost and is a more reliable fuel source then mixing boosters.Torco or others are ok when in a bind, but as others mentioned, the off the shelf boosters are just crap and hype.
Lead in fuel was originally for cooling exhaust valves etc, but don't ever try mixing say 94 unleaded and 110 leaded race fuel thinking the simple math will give a said octane.Mixing the 2 will actually give you a lower octane then you calculate it at per measured volumes.
I found buying C12 too expensive here in B.C., and was reluctant at first with the Av gas, but after talking to many people that use it here, it was an eye opener. As far as your sensor, it will shorten the lifespan, but they can be cleaned and reused, or change it out, not a major expense, since you can buy one online easy.
Lead in fuel was originally for cooling exhaust valves etc, but don't ever try mixing say 94 unleaded and 110 leaded race fuel thinking the simple math will give a said octane.Mixing the 2 will actually give you a lower octane then you calculate it at per measured volumes.
I found buying C12 too expensive here in B.C., and was reluctant at first with the Av gas, but after talking to many people that use it here, it was an eye opener. As far as your sensor, it will shorten the lifespan, but they can be cleaned and reused, or change it out, not a major expense, since you can buy one online easy.
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Klimbing Kitty
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How do you clean the sensor to reuse it?
I was wondering the same thing myself.
I carry a spare sensor with me at all times, they are not that much to have to replace when they go south.
I carry a spare sensor with me at all times, they are not that much to have to replace when they go south.
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catmanm7
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ttt
What about prices on this stuff....
If I start out with pump gas, how much will it take to get too
100
110
ETC.....
What is cost per fillup using these bottles?
Like Hatchers said, everyone will be different but if "Shain" says to put this much into a tank to run 14lbs or whatever, what is the cost?
What about prices on this stuff....
If I start out with pump gas, how much will it take to get too
100
110
ETC.....
What is cost per fillup using these bottles?
Like Hatchers said, everyone will be different but if "Shain" says to put this much into a tank to run 14lbs or whatever, what is the cost?
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mynewuseddoo
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I run straight av also. If my sensor goes, then 70 or 80 bucks for a new one every season ain't bad. Leaded race fuel or additives will do the same. I think 80-90% of turbo owners are more than safe running a good 100 octane fuel. Why mix race/pump/additives to reach the 100 octane ballpark when it's ready to go from the local airport, and cheaper?
It's friggen hilarious. Of all the threads that I have read about mixing race gas and pump gas to get a certain octane basically conflict one another. This guy has a number and that guy has a conflicting number. Not once is there a unanimous agreement on mixing numbers. If there is one definite way to find out what you're running for sure, take a fuel mixture sample to a lab and have 'em run a test. Then don't post your results because someone will call BS. My favorite comparison. One poster is saying the true motor octane of av 100ll is 105, another is saying closer to 97. That is a pretty big swing and I think I am calling BS on at least one of those numbers.
Like it was posted earlier, someones math apparently didn't add up. Apparently this person is a petrochemical engineer or just some guy with a calculator thinking the simple numbers should add up. This is chemistry, not math. If twisted turbo's runs this stuff and it works in the quantities they suggest, run it. To say you won't believe him just because he says so, is asinine. All the research that twisted put into developing 2stroke turbo's should be reason enough. I am also sure that twisted would test the hell out of this additive before selling it. If it started melting down motors, snowest would explode into a frenzy and the bashing would begin. Seeing that turbo manufactures need to get it right the first time in this industry to survive and build a reputation, I would guess that this additive is a good bet.
It's friggen hilarious. Of all the threads that I have read about mixing race gas and pump gas to get a certain octane basically conflict one another. This guy has a number and that guy has a conflicting number. Not once is there a unanimous agreement on mixing numbers. If there is one definite way to find out what you're running for sure, take a fuel mixture sample to a lab and have 'em run a test. Then don't post your results because someone will call BS. My favorite comparison. One poster is saying the true motor octane of av 100ll is 105, another is saying closer to 97. That is a pretty big swing and I think I am calling BS on at least one of those numbers.
Like it was posted earlier, someones math apparently didn't add up. Apparently this person is a petrochemical engineer or just some guy with a calculator thinking the simple numbers should add up. This is chemistry, not math. If twisted turbo's runs this stuff and it works in the quantities they suggest, run it. To say you won't believe him just because he says so, is asinine. All the research that twisted put into developing 2stroke turbo's should be reason enough. I am also sure that twisted would test the hell out of this additive before selling it. If it started melting down motors, snowest would explode into a frenzy and the bashing would begin. Seeing that turbo manufactures need to get it right the first time in this industry to survive and build a reputation, I would guess that this additive is a good bet.
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Klimbing Kitty
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m8matt
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I'm the guy with the numbers that apparently don't add up. I'm not a petrochemical engineer. I am however a guy with a simple calculator using the info that was provided with the product. I'm not saying I don't believe him when he told me the exact amount to run. It's just the "mixing instructions" that come in the box simply don't add up to what he was telling me. I'm just trying to be properly informed. It's seems that there is a lot of question weather or not this stuff is going to work. I am now comfortable with running it. As per my previous post after talking with Shane.
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mynewuseddoo
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Not you, the other guy. You trust Shane's advice, he doesn't. And I suggest a good reason why he should
The simple calculator reference is more geared towards every post I have read that suggests 2+2=4 in chemistry, it doesn't. Sorry if it came off that way.
Not you, the other guy. You trust Shane's advice, he doesn't. And I suggest a good reason why he should
yea I guess I'm an idiot for not just believing what people tell me. If the MANUFACTURE is telling me to mix it one way and a user of the product is telling me to use half as much, I don't care who or what it is I am going to be questioning why.
