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Obama to spend $1B [our $] to fund offshore drilling - for Brazil

Ollie.. you need to put the word "Market" in there in a lot of places...

So you want companies to invest in reserve capacity of oil production? Try and tell that to the oil companies..

"We want you to build oil wells, but we don't want anything to be pumped..." ha ha..

I think that scenario only works for countries where you net export oil. If you are buying it on the market, then it doesn't work like that.
 
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Ollie.. you need to put the word "Market" in there in a lot of places...

So you want companies to invest in reserve capacity of oil production? Try and tell that to the oil companies..

"We want you to build oil wells, but we don't want anything to be pumped..." ha ha..

I think that scenario only works for countries where you net export oil. If you are buying it on the market, then it doesn't work like that.

wow, you must really think oil companies are morons.
When oil hit topped 70 dollars a barrel oil companies started drilling like crazy.
When it topped 100 dollars a barrel they were buying all the oil drilling equipment they could.

And that was so they could explore for oil, they weren't allowed to drill into a lot of places the KNOW there is oil because the feds put that land off limits.

I know of at least 5 companies that were started when oil went over 70 dollars a barrel. That means more companies drilling for oil and competing for contracts. If oil suddenly shoots back up again then more companies drill for oil to take advantage of the good revenue. Also makes price fixing impossible.

Companies will dump oil on the market till they can't make money anymore, that is when oil prices drop. At which point they shut wells down. They are still there, they are still productive, they just are set to idle versus pump like crazy. When the price of oil goes back up, they pump more oil.

That's called reserve capacity, every company wants that ability.
Allows them to take advantage of flutchuating prices. They don't have to wait to try and find it when the price goes up, they already have the capacity to pump it.

Again, it's called capitalism, you should try it.
 
wow, you must really think oil companies are morons.
When oil hit topped 70 dollars a barrel oil companies started drilling like crazy.
When it topped 100 dollars a barrel they were buying all the oil drilling equipment they could.

That is my point..... The excess capacity is not a company striving for increased capacity margin, but rather the resulting effect of a boom / bust cycle in oil prices. What increases the margin is high oil prices (more money into infrastructure) followed by a reduction in prices (idled equipment). I wouldn't think many companies would be putting in oil wells for the chance the Chavez is going to turn off the oil pumps.. so to speak. They oil wells will be put in so they can make money at that time, or the very near (high certainty) future.

That's called reserve capacity, every company wants that ability..

mmmm they would rather have pumps producing all the time.. otherwise they are not making any money off of the pumps... For instance, by your logic, they would still be putting in new wells to increase there reserve capacity. Is that happening right now? Are people still buying "all the oil equipment they could" ?

I am arguing the causality of your point about excess capacity and the thought that we should have enough for certain circumstances (low probability events).
 
That is my point..... The excess capacity is not a company striving for increased capacity margin, but rather the resulting effect of a boom / bust cycle in oil prices. What increases the margin is high oil prices (more money into infrastructure) followed by a reduction in prices (idled equipment). I wouldn't think many companies would be putting in oil wells for the chance the Chavez is going to turn off the oil pumps.. so to speak. They oil wells will be put in so they can make money at that time, or the very near (high certainty) future.



mmmm they would rather have pumps producing all the time.. otherwise they are not making any money off of the pumps... For instance, by your logic, they would still be putting in new wells to increase there reserve capacity. Is that happening right now? Are people still buying "all the oil equipment they could" ?

I am arguing the causality of your point about excess capacity and the thought that we should have enough for certain circumstances (low probability events).

All wells that can produce oil, do. They never just turn off the pumps. They keep the wells producing to keep them maintained.
Yes, companies drill for oil all the time even when the price is low so they will have the capacity to increase production when the price goes back up.

When oil dropped to 40 a barrel they were still drilling even though the break even point is approx 55 a barrel. Granted they shut down a lot of drilling (thus the bust in wyoming), but they were still drilling just not as much.

Actually yes, they are still buying drilling equipment. Mostly from other companies that over bought during the boom and didn't get em paid off before the bust.

Low probability events as you put it, are ALWAYS going to be a problem. However, had we had the infastruture within our own country 4 years ago, the price of oil would NEVER have gotten as high as it did.
Why??
Because capitalism works when governments get out of the way.
Prices went thru the roof and had we allowed the oil companies to go after the oil they KNEW was there, we would have had the capacity to dump millions of barrels of oil into the markets and cooled the markets long before they hit 100 a barrel, let alone 140 a barrel. It wouldn't have taken the feds to tell them to pump and sell the oil, they would have done it by themselves, chacing the dollar.

Instead, speculators were given free reign to run the prices up with no one to even try to stop them and we paid the price bigtime.
 
All wells that can produce oil, do. They never just turn off the pumps. They keep the wells producing to keep them maintained.
Yes, companies drill for oil all the time even when the price is low so they will have the capacity to increase production when the price goes back up.

How are you defining capacity? What do the companies have to do, in your situation, to utilize that capacity.

I view capacity as a reduction or reduced output of units / machines from maximum. No work , or very little needed to rapidly increase production...
 
That is our Bo. A billion here a billion there, what's a few billion among friends? What a tool.
 
How are you defining capacity? What do the companies have to do, in your situation, to utilize that capacity.

I view capacity as a reduction or reduced output of units / machines from maximum. No work , or very little needed to rapidly increase production...

that is pretty much the same as I have.
If you have 100 wells pumping at 10 percent, then that means you can increase production an additional 90% with a phone call. This allows you to take advantage of price fluctuations and beat your competition to the market with the oil.

Every oil company does this.
During the boom (oil at 140 a barrel) the wifes company had 16 rigs operating out of her yard. When it tanked, they went down to 6 rigs, but those rigs were still getting new contracts even when oil was at rock bottom.
Why?
The companies wanted to take advantage of the fact they would be in a better position when the price goes back up.
It is cheaper to drill in a down time than an up time.
 
Where did we get a billion bucks to loan?

Ruffy, all we have to do is threaten to drill and the price falls. You can't deny the price of oil would be more stable if we were in the game.

Give me one good reason that we shouldn't drill for our oil???


We borrowed it from China at a rate of 10% and loaned it to Brazil for 0% and really don't even expect to be paid back..... He's just looking for some friends.
 
We borrowed it from China at a rate of 10% and loaned it to Brazil for 0% and really don't even expect to be paid back..... He's just looking for some friends.

We have still never received payment for our lend lease loans to Russia and Europe and other countries extended during WW11. Were gonna get paid back in full, someones is a real fool. Swampy:eek:
 
We are in the game... we are number 3 according to this list..

Oil production by country.

EIA website for more information..

Note for all the canucks.. we make twice as much oil as you do...

We do drill for our own oil... just not everywhere there is oil.

Why the snide comment about Canucks? This one is up on the North Slope right now helping to get it out of the ground for you.
The real number is proven reserves, of which Canada has 157,630,000,000 bbl more than the US.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/ene_oil_pro_res-energy-oil-proved-reserves
 
We borrowed it from China at a rate of 10% and loaned it to Brazil for 0% and really don't even expect to be paid back..... He's just looking for some friends.

Dick Morris called it 3-4 months ago after china stopped buying our T-Bills, He said Brazil would be the future T-Bill target to fund the obama madness :o

For as much as I hated Dick Morris when he was the man behind Clinton he is actually a really sharp tool ;)
 
Why the snide comment about Canucks? This one is up on the North Slope right now helping to get it out of the ground for you.
The real number is proven reserves, of which Canada has 157,630,000,000 bbl more than the US.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/ene_oil_pro_res-energy-oil-proved-reserves

Wasn't meant to be snide.. It just seems that sometimes you guys forget we also get our own oil too.... ;) Only meant in jest....

As far as proven reserves.. I am suspect of any number, as that number is always changing, growing, shrinking, due to technological and (my theory) political means.. You are right though, you guys do have a lot, but you also have a lot in the tar sands that is hard to get...
 
Wolfrun Talk about hitting the nail on the head!

That is our Bo. A billion here a billion there, what's a few billion among friends? What a tool.

Passing the Smell Test
Michael Lisle

Earlier this week, AT's Rick Moran highlighted the Obama Administration's decision to invest $2 billion to finance offshore drilling in Brazil. Many good questions there, including the pertinent question of why offshore drilling is okay for Brazil, but not for the U.S.


Since the initial story broke late last week, Bloomberg has reported that billionaire Democratic donor George Soros acquired over $800 million in Petrobas stock during the second quarter of the year, ultimately selling 22 million common shares and acquiring 5.8 million preferred (read "dividend paying") shares recently.


Ed Morrissey at Hot Air asks all of the salient questions, including this one:


Is it a coincidence that Obama backer George Soros repositioned himself in Petrobras to get dividends just a few days before Obama committed $2 billion in loans and guarantees for Petrobras' (sic) offshore operations? Hmmmmmmmmmm.


I don't have a smoking gun, but I do have the good sense to recognize when something doesn't pass the smell test. It might well be happenstance that Soros' "repositioning" was completely unrelated to the decision to invest American dollars in Petrobas, but there are too many dots that have at least a tenuous connection to assume that it's a completely innocent coincidence.

Unfortunately, this is just the latest in a long string of issues emanating from the White House that cause Americans to question the integrity and good sense of the Campaigner in Chief's administration. Consider what we've learned in just the past several days.


Senior adviser David Axelrod is still owed $2 million by the advertising firm he ran until leaving after Obama's election. This firm, now run by Axelrod's son, is a key player in the healthcare reform advertising effort.


The administration, which Obama promised would be the most bipartisan ever, has floated a trial balloon to gauge reaction to achieving healthcare reform with only Democrat votes. This came after significant backtracking on the so-called "public option" deemed essential by the far left.


Many Americans are still furious about being spammed by Axelrod with a message about healthcare reform, and the dirty tactics of those opposed to the president's plan. Many are also still incensed about the fact that the White House set up a snitch email account and actively encouraged Americans to report any "disinformation" they heard from others regarding healthcare reform.


The list could go on (the Beer Summit and police "acting stupidly," the push for cap-and-trade, and many more), but the point is made: In less than eight months, the Obama administration already has a well-established track record that stands in opposition to the promises of transparency and the highest ethics. I don't think it stems from ignorance, but instead from Obama's trademark hubris. He knows the smell test exists; he simply thinks he is smart and clever enough to beat it, or, if he's caught, to contort his way out of the consequences.


In over their heads, trying to flood the system by pushing huge reform after huge reform through the system in the best Alinsky style, and severely underestimating the American public's ability to connect dots, Obama et al. have burned through copious amounts of political capital and public goodwill by trying to beat the smell test instead of working with it.
 
Typical two faced governmental program.

Obama is once again talking out of both sides of his mouth. "We need to reduce dependance" and " We need to go green", all of this while loaning billions to oil companies should be considered a form of treason.

Why not invest a couple billion in something in america besides flushing it down the toilet with "stimulus" and health care reform.

We are borrowing money from china to loan to brazil......brilliant. The way this administration is running I bet they are borrowing at 5% interest and loaning at 3%.
 
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