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No Child Left Behind............

You guys want to see a major change in the schools??

Fire the school boards. Fire every single one of them.
Give the money you save (trust me it will be millions) to the schools.
Give each school an accountant.
Then you put a group together that consists of the following.

the principal, vice principal, a couple teachers (elected by the other teachers)and a half dozen parents (elected by the other parents).
No one is paid, you do it because you want to.

Then, cut sports. Slash the chit out of it. There is no need to spend 40%+ of a schools budget on sports. That is what PE is for. I don't care if you know how to play hockey or baseball or football or golf. I do care if you know how to do math, science or know history.


How will firing the school board; getting ride of people that volunteer their time, save millions? The rest is cool however.
 
Yet another reason not to vote for Osam...er....Obama.

http://www.thespacereview.com/article/1100/1

There are tens of thousands of things in the federal budget that could and should be cut WAY before considering cutting funding to the space program.

I'm not a big fan of nationalized babysitting programs, but I can see the need where low-income families could benefit from this...

However, cutting funding for the space program is absolutley the worst possible thing he could do..

In that article it states he starts going off on "alternative energy" again then responds to the reporter saying "that is where our next Apollo mission should be"

You f*cking scientifically illiterate bastard Obama, where the HELL do you think the hydrogen fuel cell came from? Uhhhh ... technology that was originially develoepd for the space program? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Idiot ... I swear to god if that guy gets elected there will be a civil war in this country shortly after.
 
Sports?

There's a controversial issue.

We need sports.
Sports is a huge part of many of the teenagers lives. That keeps them interested in school.

We've always had the traditional sports...Football, Basketball, Track, Wrestling, Volleyball and these should continue to be adequately funded.

The "fringe" sports should get their funding through "Booster clubs", as it is not realistic to adequately fund every whim for every student.

Another controversial topic....taxes.
It costs HUGE amounts of money to educate our children, yet our tax structure is such that the more kids you have, the less tax you pay.:rolleyes:How messed up is that?

It doesn't stop there. Our welfare system is set up to financially reward people for having children they cannot afford. :confused: WTF??

If you can't afford to feed your kids, educate your kids, provide for your kids, clothe your kids.....then maybe YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE KIDS!!!!!


OK Flame away!
 
Just got back from a walk-a-thon at the school where my wife teaches. The purpose was to raise money for PTO activities. 4 freaking teachers out of 32 showed up for the one hour event. Across the board, no one has pride in what they do any more, at least in these ununited states of america.:(
 
You f*cking scientifically illiterate bastard Obama, where the HELL do you think the hydrogen fuel cell came from? Uhhhh ... technology that was originially develoepd for the space program?

Not to mention Tang!!!

sledguy, I still have pride in my job!
 
You f*cking scientifically illiterate bastard Obama, where the HELL do you think the hydrogen fuel cell came from? Uhhhh ... technology that was originially develoepd for the space program?

Not to mention Tang!!!

sledguy, I still have pride in my job!



Me too buddy, but I'm afraid we are in the minority.
 
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Me too buddy, but I'm afraid we are in the minority.

Well, don't worry, everyone in the entire rural rocky mountain region who doesn't flip burgers for tourists or own their ranch is gonna be out of a job in a few years, I'm sure the democrats will see to that ... heh :)
 
Yet another reason not to vote for Osam...er....Obama.

http://www.thespacereview.com/article/1100/1

There are tens of thousands of things in the federal budget that could and should be cut WAY before considering cutting funding to the space program.

I'm not a big fan of nationalized babysitting programs, but I can see the need where low-income families could benefit from this...

However, cutting funding for the space program is absolutley the worst possible thing he could do..

In that article it states he starts going off on "alternative energy" again then responds to the reporter saying "that is where our next Apollo mission should be"

You f*cking scientifically illiterate bastard Obama, where the HELL do you think the hydrogen fuel cell came from? Uhhhh ... technology that was originially develoepd for the space program? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Idiot ... I swear to god if that guy gets elected there will be a civil war in this country shortly after.

Interesting article,

Seemed to me he said that he wanted funding to be cut until it can become more focused, also that if we through the same money at space as we do on alternative energy, that we would see some technological advances.

I am pretty sure that he knows that the fuel cell came from the space program, though I thought it was more rare and expensive chemicals than hydrogen. He probably knows that it is where PV cells came from.

Oh, and I don't think it will be a civil war. More like Waco but a little bigger.:eek:
 
Oh, and as to my view on education? I say get rid of the schools except for Colleges and Universities. Money seems to always be the issue, yet it is never the solution. Why is that? It is because the schools purpose is no longer relevant.
 
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What else would you expect from what was basically a good idea to start with before it was re- gurgitated by the likes of liberal teddy kennedy?

Let me see if I've got this right. NCLB is proposed by a Republican president and passed by a Republican Senate and a Republican House. It's yet another example of the Republican party telling you that they know better than you how you should run your life and educate your kids. Yet you blame it on Teddy Kenndy? Man, when you guys close your eyes to reality you close them tight and never again open them don't you?
 
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Have a wife who is a teacher. She and most teachers feel that NCLB is BS. All they do now is teach kids to pass standardized tests. Actually learning is no longer the goal. Passing tests is the goal. That's NCLB at work.

Parents are also a lot of the problem. My wife (kindergarten teacher) has had kids look her in the eye and say, "You can't punish me, 'cause my parents will tell the principal." When 5 year olds are taught this, it's no wonder kids have no respect for authority.

As for school boards, none of them have the balls to make a real decision anymore either. That's a serious part of our problem. However, at least part of that is because every time they try to make a controversial decision, they get sued by parents who think their kids deserve to be held to a lower standard than other kids are held to. In some sense I don't blame the school boards. Every time they get sued our tax payer dollars are used to defend them against parents who'd rather use their money to sue than their time to teach their kids.

All I know for sure is, we're becoming a second class nation because our education system so f*****d up.
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I think that's definatley a huge problem in public schools ..

There is such a risk at being sued for disciplining kids that administrators won't enforce anything ...

Lawyers screwing something else up, go figure:rolleyes:
 
Oh, and as to my view on education? I say get rid of the schools except for Colleges and Universities. Money seems to always be the issue, yet it is never the solution. Why is that? It is because the schools purpose is no longer relevant.
Colleges and Universities are worse then the other schools. All they care about is the bottom dollar. Why do you think UW transitioned most of their 4 years programs to a mandatory five year program by changing when certain classes are offered and making it where you can't take several at a time. Just ask any of the education majors how f**ked up it really is. Not to mention they've been jacking up tuition and fees every semester for quite some time.

The entire education system from top to bottom is completely FUBAR.

Several of the companies I know of out here are transitioning to less education requirements and more experience related requirements because they are finally realizing more learning is done in the real world now rather then the calssroom.
 
Colleges and Universities are worse then the other schools. All they care about is the bottom dollar. Why do you think UW transitioned most of their 4 years programs to a mandatory five year program by changing when certain classes are offered and making it where you can't take several at a time. Just ask any of the education majors how f**ked up it really is. Not to mention they've been jacking up tuition and fees every semester for quite some time.

The entire education system from top to bottom is completely FUBAR.

Several of the companies I know of out here are transitioning to less education requirements and more experience related requirements because they are finally realizing more learning is done in the real world now rather then the calssroom.

UW has become a complete joke.

It's unbelievable how much money that school gets for no bigger than it is and it's even more unbelievable how little they actually accomplish with that much money. Christ, I called the COE placement rep 4 years ago asking about what type and how many companies came to the COE recruiting fairs, and it was dismal ... He said in 2003 they had like a whopping 23 companies come or something to their spring fair. I asked him about placement, meaning how many of their graduates had a job within 6 months after graduating and he couldn't even give me that number ...

A bunch of freaking sheep herders in the stage legislature seem to think that in the least populated state in the country with arguably the largest percentage of non-degreed working-class people in the country needs to be the "research center for the rocky mountain region" ..

They'd rather dump millions upon millions of dollars into the worst D1A football program in the country than renovate the dorms they require students to live in, etc...build a freakin' parking garage, the list goes on and on. "Cowboy up!:rolleyes::rolleyes:" ... whatever.

Also, how in the world are they changing getting a bachelor's in education to a 5-year program? That's one of the easiest degrees to get there is, especially from UW ... are they adding in extended student-teaching requirements or something?
 
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Colleges and Universities are worse then the other schools.

There function has a more direct relationship with what the student will do afterwards. Same with technical colleges, as they are tailored specifically to work. I guess you would have to restrict universities to graduate or engineering or something else specific to a work environment. I don't remember much from my middle and grade school years, but I do remember learning a lot of stuff that I never used in my life. Seems that time could have been better spent doing other things.

I find it hilarious that one of the reasons we send kids to school is for social skills, and yet after graduation it is "welcome to the real world". So all those social skills we were learning aren't applicable? How about the kids learn the real world social skill at the best possible place, the real world.

I know that I have been working ever since I could hold a hoe (farm tool). You learn a lot more out in the world then just talking about the world.

Several of the companies I know of out here are transitioning to less education requirements and more experience related requirements because they are finally realizing more learning is done in the real world now rather then the classroom.

It seems like the above is a self defeating process and is more a result of poor on the job training. What would happen if everyone used those requirement? The new generations of workers won't be able to get jobs because they don't have any experience. Universities don't teach you your job, that is what employers are for!
 
Then, cut sports. Slash the chit out of it. There is no need to spend 40%+ of a schools budget on sports. That is what PE is for. I don't care if you know how to play hockey or baseball or football or golf. I do care if you know how to do math, science or know history.

Where are they supposed to learn life skills? Cause our hands are almost tied for properly teaching these in the classroom.
With everything that kids learn in the classroo...they learn 3 times that in the athletic programs.
 
How will firing the school board; getting ride of people that volunteer their time, save millions? The rest is cool however.

Here it is not volunteer. It is paid positions.
Then you also have paid transportation (cars provided), office expenses, travel, ext... They did a study and figured it cost a couple million a year in just one district.

As for sports in school.
Sports may be a big part of a childs development, however, I don't think the money to fund the sports should come at the expense of learning to read, do math, science and such.
If you want you child to participate in afterschool sports (other than PE class) then the parents should bare at least part of the expense. When I was in school I played soccer (I was pretty good too), it cost my parents for me to do this, plus they had to participate (help coach, transport kids to games, etc).
 
Where are they supposed to learn life skills? Cause our hands are almost tied for properly teaching these in the classroom.
With everything that kids learn in the classroo...they learn 3 times that in the athletic programs.

Right on!
 
How about out in the real world. Get rid of the classrooms and I think people would be amazed at what kids will learn.

So you want your 5-year old to go to work instead of going to kindergarten? :)

Real world is a hell of a lot different than the classroom, yes ... a lot of people have a huge difficulty and/or simply don't want to make the adjustment after they get done with school ...

But, by the time I actually have some ... my kids need time in life to be kids, they'll have their entire adult lives to work ...

I'm not saying they aren't gonna have part-time jobs during school if they aren't playing sports, playing music, whatever, or during the summer, but ... they need school ... heh :)
 
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