New HeelClickers in my XP are kickin butt

[sledhead_24_7]

i also have set and they seems to work well. except for the tendency to over shift when climbing a big pull rifgt at the last 50 ft or so. the R's just drop around 3-400 then when you crest the hill and get on top back to where you were before. Just like nothing happened on the climb. Tried all sorts of weight combos still they still do there thing, but I am not done yet Just my 2 cents other than that the pull hard, belt dust is way way down.

 

[Original Tetonice]

Have to agree with this. From the simple stand point that if you enter a corner on a motocross track holding the motor on peak torque, upon exit you will be promptly run over by the guy who came in with the motor overrevving. When he nails it coming off the turn his motor has fallen back to peak torque. And if anyone has a clutch setup that properly loads the motor and NEVER waivers under any load changes on a hill, I'm first in line to buy that sucker.

As for the leverage arm idea, it makes sense. Could solve the issue of my xp not wanting to shift over 80 percent while mountain riding. However, I do not expirience wildly fluctuating rpms now. So I dont see how it can improve that...??

The differance between the motorcross tracks and deep powder is very differant. Imagine how much better your XP would run with a 5 gear shifter in the footwell behind the secondary.

Have you every hillclimbed your dirt bike ? If you have are you in 5th gear where the HP is, OR are you in 3rd and 4th where the torque is ?
OT

 

[winter brew]

HUH?

 

[Throttle Junkie]

OT I have ran my 800r from 1200ft to 9500ft and it runs best at 8100 - 8200 at all elevations. yours feels like it runs better to you at 7900 because your clutching is working better there. Get a setup in it that spins the motor 8200 and shifts instead of just revs and you will get off this low RPM/torque crap... The 800r needs to run above 8100 or you are losing track speed. Mine pulls 8200 initial...settles into 8150ish and I never see it go below 8050 on a climb..usually never below 8100.....and it flat out rips.

BJ, i would agree with you under normal riding conditions....However at 9000' the 800R no longer runs at the rated peak HP. The thin air alone at 9000' robs the 800R of 30% of the motors rated peak HP. Add in the extra rider weight and load of the deep deep snow and the 800R is running "No Where Near Peak HP". In the deep mountain snow "torque has alway ruled" and as mentioned already can the 800R go 70 mph through the deep mountain fluff ??. I also agree that some clutch setups "WAVER" in rpm. Part of tuning the TRA is finding the correct primary setup that does not WAVER the rpm. If your rpm happens to WAVER in the deep mountain snow your already fighting an uphill battle that will lead you to adjusting your clickers. Tuning the TRA has always been about stopping the rpm from wavering.

When the rpm wavers you've lost trackspeed.

OT

 

[Original Tetonice]

Your Idle is abit low.

Another decent thread heading down the toilet bowl

OT

 

[Throttle Junkie]

Your Idle is abit low

OT

Finally something I agree with you on Strange thing is it idled at 2000 and when I went up to 9000 it idled low, was a bit rich on the bottom, strange thing is once I went back to 5000 feet the idle stayed low..I had to adjust it up...actually finally did it last weekend.

 

[glhperformance]

so when it comes right down to it are these the best arms and ramps on the market today? I have team adjustable arms right now and have a cra kit coming and want to know if the gains will be that noticable?

 

[Snoclo]

The differance between the motorcross tracks and deep powder is very differant. Imagine how much better your XP would run with a 5 gear shifter in the footwell behind the secondary.

Have you every hillclimbed your dirt bike ? If you have are you in 5th gear where the HP is, OR are you in 3rd and 4th where the torque is ?
OT

HUH?

I think your confusing torque & mechanical advantage, torque is developed in the engine-not thru the transmission!

 

[pyments]

where can a person get more info on purchasing heelclickers or "center rollers"

If the factories did it right what would we spend our money on and what would we complain about? wait, don't answer that!

clutches working proper, less belt dust, hold rpm+maintain track speed = be waiting at the top 4 u

 

[Original Tetonice]

so when it comes right down to it are these the best arms and ramps on the market today? I have team adjustable arms right now and have a cra kit coming and want to know if the gains will be that noticable?

I run the Team adjustables in our 08 163 XP mod and yes there is an advantage with the Heelclicker kit when comparing the 2.

OT

 

[Original Tetonice]

where can a person get more info on purchasing heelclickers or "center rollers"

if the factories did it right what would we spend our money on and what would we complain about? Wait, don't answer that!

clutches working proper, less belt dust, hold rpm+maintain track speed = be waiting at the top 4 u

supertorquer.com

 

[Wyoming T/A]

OT, are you saying that you're running ramps, helix and springs stock on the 09 and just changing to the HC arms???

 

[DaveB]

The HC arms come with their own ramps (and spring too I think)....

 

[Original Tetonice]

OT, are you saying that you're running ramps, helix and springs stock on the 09 and just changing to the HC arms???

This is a primary kit only T/A... The kit comes complete with arms, rollers, weight, ramps and a primary spring.

The shockwave would be a nice compliment to the setup imo.

OT

 

[snowrdr]

The HC arms come with their own ramps (and spring too I think)....

Dave is right on target here.

They come with new ramps, new center roller billet arms and extra Dalton Pin weight. You have to use your stock rollers and relocate them. Oh yes they also need the new blue primary spring that comes in the kit.

 

[Red-eye]

This is a primary kit only T/A... The kit comes complete with arms, rollers, weight, ramps and a primary spring.

The shockwave would be a nice compliment to the setup imo.

OT

OT what engagement did you get with the blue spring? I too believe that the 800 R needs more rpm but why not try it and compare what it does. We dont have the snow yet to do the testing I want. The boys at super said to run it with one of the set screws out. They also state 7900 rpms.

 

[Original Tetonice]

With the blue 185/360 spring engagement is 4200 to 4300.

OT

 

[snowrdr]

OT what engagement did you get with the blue spring? I too believe that the 800 R needs more rpm but why not try it and compare what it does. We dont have the snow yet to do the testing I want. The boys at super said to run it with one of the set screws out. They also state 7900 rpms.

Red eye,

From me I can tell you my engagement rpm is about 4000 to 4200. And it is a much smoother engagement then stock. Also I am hitting about per the RPM gage 8100. After talking to Supertorquer it seems there may be some variability in the real versus what is the number displayed.

 

[BIG JOHN]

800R rpms

2007 800R runs BEST at 8200-8300 real rpm (add 100+ for tach error)
2008-2009 800R runs BEST at 8100 real rpm (X package digi off by 50, everest tach add 100+)-BJ

 

[Original Tetonice]

2008-2009 800R runs BEST at 8100 real rpm (X package digi off by 50, everest tach add 100+)-BJ

Dang BJ those decals screw up clutching

It's also resonable to believe that since the 800R motors are mass produced like burger meat at McDonalds that each 800R motors peak rpm can vary from sled to sled.

I thought for sure my blue/white XP would be faster .

OT