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New 2015 Yamaha Mountain Max???

No rumor, just a question. Has Yamaha ever disappointed us?

Yes, but also no.
Yes because, as stated above, we have to put 6k in suspension and track just to be able to hang with the other brands when they spend about 3k less.
But, if you take in to consideration reliability, fit and finish, mileage, ease of boost, and the grin you get outclimbing your buddies 2 strokes, it hasn't changed from year to year. No I don't agree with the coop with Arctic Cat, but it is nice to see a new chassis in the line up.
 
As much as I would like for it to happen I am preparing myself for more disappointment. Until then I will have to be content with etec engines and flexi tracks.
 
Yamaha should have continued building on their sno-scoot and sno-sport platform...they didn't realize that they had the platform of the future even 25 years ago...

Amazing how close in form these were to current rider forward platform! I have a pair long tracked with a 4" riser on the handle bars and equivalent of airframe boards and they rock. Goes back to an old post re why Yamaha didn't move forward with a tube chassis - a lot of adults have ridden and beat on the Sports / Scoots and they held up for over 20 years! A slightly bigger Sport frame with the phazer motor + decent track and shocks would likely be very close to if not just under the 400 lb mark!
Have to wonder what the "engineers" at Yamaha do all day - two years to stuff a nytro motor in a Cat ... no big deal ... guys on here & TY have stuffed the same motor into pro rmk chassis (without the benefit of the R&D / development budget of Yamaha corporate). I say fire the current lot of R&D and go and find the crew from the 90's!
 
Amazing how close in form these were to current rider forward platform! I have a pair long tracked with a 4" riser on the handle bars and equivalent of airframe boards and they rock. Goes back to an old post re why Yamaha didn't move forward with a tube chassis - a lot of adults have ridden and beat on the Sports / Scoots and they held up for over 20 years! A slightly bigger Sport frame with the phazer motor + decent track and shocks would likely be very close to if not just under the 400 lb mark!
Have to wonder what the "engineers" at Yamaha do all day - two years to stuff a nytro motor in a Cat ... no big deal ... guys on here & TY have stuffed the same motor into pro rmk chassis (without the benefit of the R&D / development budget of Yamaha corporate). I say fire the current lot of R&D and go and find the crew from the 90's!
I have a feeling that when the worlds economy took a downturn a few years ago, Yamaha decided to put their resources and engineers in to more profit generating products like bikes, scooters, generators and such. I mean lets face it, sled sales were going to slow down anyway.
Many auto manufacturers did the same thing and a couple of them even went bankrupt. The Aisian auto manufacturers cancelled models and made the most of what they had.
There has recently(last 3 years) been an explosion of new automobiles hitting the market as the big companies are getting there feet beneath them again.

The sled market is not much different except it is a small portion of what a company like Yamaha would sell in the big picture. It looked like Yamaha thought the economy was bouncing back well enough that they wanted to get serious about sleds again. They realized that in order to do something in short order that hooking up with an Amercan company instantly brought them a plant and quick distribution of products to key markets.
The relationship with AC was born out of convenience for both companies. In my opinion it won't turn in to much more than we have seen so far, but who knows.

There is likely a working agreement between AC and Yamaha which limits Yamahas position to be competitive in similar markets, and that is why there is no mountain chassis, or maybe it was not viewed as relative enough for Yamaha to pursue it. Either way it's all speculation, and none of us really know what the deal is.
If I was making odds, I wouldn't bet against Yamaha making some big gains in market share over the next few years.
Many of us can't see past next week, let alone 5-10 years down the road...and that is where these big companies have to plan for.

This is just my opinion of course.
 
I think a mountian sled is coming possibly on a brand new Cat chassis or possibly just Yami, but 2015 is too quick for that. 5-6 years seems to be the chassis life of the other OEM's as of late (Yami way more), so that would put it on track for 2016/17, and I don't think a high CG Nytro engine in a ProClimb is going to cut it. It will be a very old chassis if introduced even next year and I can't imagine successfully marketing this combo. Love my Nytro, but no interest in a ProClimb / Nytro engine combo.

I've said it before, that Yamaha have no choice but to move some more of its production into North America somewhere because the Yen is always going to be a problem (too strong). So their choice is a joint venture (which they've done with cat) or build their own new manufacturing here.
North america is still a huge market that they won't abandon any time soon.

NM, I'm with you on not counting Yami out of the picture. The other thing everyone forgets is the EPA are heading for another emmission "Tier" regarding sleds, and this brings into question 2 strokes. My understanding is that NONE of the current 2 strokes (yes that includes the E-tec's) will pass the next planned EPA hurdle, nor do the 4 Strokes without catalytic converters.

I guess what I am saying is Yamaha will likely remain a player either as an engine supplier (not their style) or a provider of sleds (as a relevent part of their rec. vehicle business). But I think we can all agree they are rather slow developers....and don't appear to care that much either. Consider they still don't have an answer to the Razor and similar sport side by sides, which has really gotta hurt them financially..


OTM
 
I think a mountian sled is coming possibly on a brand new Cat chassis or possibly just Yami, but 2015 is too quick for that. 5-6 years seems to be the chassis life of the other OEM's as of late (Yami way more), so that would put it on track for 2016/17, and I don't think a high CG Nytro engine in a ProClimb is going to cut it. It will be a very old chassis if introduced even next year and I can't imagine successfully marketing this combo. Love my Nytro, but no interest in a ProClimb / Nytro engine combo.

I've said it before, that Yamaha have no choice but to move some more of its production into North America somewhere because the Yen is always going to be a problem (too strong). So their choice is a joint venture (which they've done with cat) or build their own new manufacturing here.
North america is still a huge market that they won't abandon any time soon.

NM, I'm with you on not counting Yami out of the picture. The other thing everyone forgets is the EPA are heading for another emmission "Tier" regarding sleds, and this brings into question 2 strokes. My understanding is that NONE of the current 2 strokes (yes that includes the E-tec's) will pass the next planned EPA hurdle, nor do the 4 Strokes without catalytic converters.

I guess what I am saying is Yamaha will likely remain a player either as an engine supplier (not their style) or a provider of sleds (as a relevent part of their rec. vehicle business). But I think we can all agree they are rather slow developers....and don't appear to care that much either. Consider they still don't have an answer to the Razor and similar sport side by sides, which has really gotta hurt them financially..


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Mike, I believe that is the reason Yamaha went direct injection in boats some time ago was emissions...can anybody verify that as I am going be heresay. BUT, DI was said to be the way for 2 strokes to pass the emission hurdle, too lazy to go dig up the link but please do correct me if I am wrong on this.
 
I really do hope we begin to see some of the new development in engine technology from the Bike division begin to work it's way into the sled division.
 
Chassis need work first!
I love Yam motors but nytro chassis just doesn't cut it. Moved up from phazer (more fun than the nytro) and power is great but engine / tank / exhaust weight is too high up unless you are in open bowl with loads of powder. Yamaha dropped the ball - cat partnership is a bandaid that will likely fall off in time like most bandaids. Really no great engineering feat to stuff the nytro into the cat - was a lot of hype about little! Yamaha lost my new sled purchase this time around - really didn't want to go 2 s but chassis wise it was the best option.
 
Time will tell.
Lets get some seat of the pants time on this new sled before we write it off..
 
If its a totally new chassis as speculated and its close to 200HP with a factory turbo or supercharger and a warranty, id be willing to give it a try. I hope it comes with an option for solid Yamaha blue. Interesting for sure.
 
Yes, but also no.
Yes because, as stated above, we have to put 6k in suspension and track just to be able to hang with the other brands when they spend about 3k less.
But, if you take in to consideration reliability, fit and finish, mileage, ease of boost, and the grin you get outclimbing your buddies 2 strokes, it hasn't changed from year to year. No I don't agree with the coop with Arctic Cat, but it is nice to see a new chassis in the line up.

DO you really think just adding a track and suspension would put it on par with the other mountain sleds out there?? Remember too the initial cost is a lot more than the others. Plus why would anyone buy a new one with so many boosted ones on sale for so cheap? I spent the $$$ for a completely done nytro. Yes it was fun!!! But I sure wish I had waited a couple of years and gotten the same thing for about 1/3 the cost. :argue::argue::argue::argue::argue: Yamaha would come out with a boosted sled with warranty from the factory at the same cost as the others it would be worth looking at.
 
Chassis need work first!
I love Yam motors but nytro chassis just doesn't cut it. Moved up from phazer (more fun than the nytro) and power is great but engine / tank / exhaust weight is too high up unless you are in open bowl with loads of powder. Yamaha dropped the ball - cat partnership is a bandaid that will likely fall off in time like most bandaids. Really no great engineering feat to stuff the nytro into the cat - was a lot of hype about little! Yamaha lost my new sled purchase this time around - really didn't want to go 2 s but chassis wise it was the best option.
I agree the chassis needs some work to shed some weight. I rode a Nytro for five winters, but was disappointed each spring when the next years' model seemed so similar to the previous season. I jumped ship to a 2 stroke (2013 Summit XM) even though in the back of my mind I expect to one day come back to the truck at the end of a rope. I average about 1200 miles a season, so I will probably keep the Doo for only two seasons, whereas I was comfortable driving the Yamaha much longer.
 
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