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Need advice about a PayPal/eBay problem

Kinda long winded so please bear with me.

Okay, here's the deal. Several months ago I sold an 800 Polaris engine to a guy on eBay. I had it listed truthful as used with low miles but also had it listed as sold as is, no warranty, no returns as I do with ANYTHING I sell on eBay. The guy bid the thing up to $500 OVER my reserve in the last 3 minutes of the auction. He paid me through PayPal promptly and I shipped it out to him. Before he even GETS the thing, he starts sending me e-mails about how he thinks he probably paid too much and hopes it is in good condition. I assured him that everything was as listed and that if I still ran that brand of sled I would have kept the engine for a spare for myself because I had that much confidence in it. The day he gets the engine he e-mails me and says that it isn't as advertised because the powervalves have been cleaned :confused: which obviously means he had at least some of the engine apart. I e-mail him back and explain to him that that is part of normal seasonal maintenance. The next day he e-mails me and says that he had one of his friends check the runout on the crank and it measured .0014 (that's right, less than one and a half thousandths) and he just can't live with that. I tell him that is EXCEPTIONAL for a used 800 Polaris and that the factory spec allows up to .004 NEW. This was a very good motor but everytime I shot this guy down by proving to him that he had no valid basis for a refund, he would come back with some other excuse as to why he didn't like it and thought he should get his money back. I finally tell him that trying to deal with him is an exercise in futility and I don't care to do it anymore. A few days later he files a claim with PayPal that the engine was "not as advertised" and had "critical damage". Of course, I countered with the facts and had long since taken the money out of my PayPal account. After PayPal's mandatory waiting period, they rule in his favor, which as I understand is usually the case, and inform me that he is entitled to his money back after he sends me the engine back, which TOTALLY PISSES ME OFF! Here's the kicker, when I get the engine back, IT'S NOT EVEN THE ONE I SENT!! It has a broken crank, both cylinders are junk (fixable but NOT useable) and the case has a big hole in the bottom of it where the rod went through it when the crank broke and to top it all off, THE FLUCKING SERIAL NUMBERS ON THE LOWER CASE HALF DON'T MATCH!! I informed PayPal of this and that I had photos to back it all up and they told me that I had to file a complaint with my local Police. I did that and they STILL ruled in HIS favor. At this point, I don't feel this jerkoff should get ANYTHING but my foot up his *** for trying to scam me but PayPal keeps sending me messages that I need to pay the money. What do I do and what are the consequences if I just continue to tell them to f*ckoff? I already closed the bank account that my PayPal account was linked to just as a precaution but will they try to sue me or some other horse**** over this?
 
I'm no help but I sure hope you decide to keep the money. If you find that the consequences aren't too bad for keeping it do it. From your half of the story he was out to *** someone over. Good luck.
 
Would;nt that be fraud? i mean him sending you a different motor than the one bought?
 
well i have been selling on ebay for a long time and this happens f..n ebay and paypal,,they are the crooks...you have done what you can the only problem is that ebay and paypal are the same company and they will eventually suspend your ebay account because the paypal negative balance...to do any more ebaying and paypaling you will have to open an account in your wife, brother,son etc.you get the point...i have been through this a dozen times in the last 10 years of ebaying.every time the customer makes a claim they are always bogus and they always win, total bs.

and now ebay has new rules and i dont sell or buy there right now,it gives the seller no rights and gives the buyers open season to get free stuff.

i would stick to sw not as many people buying but at least for the most part were all kind of a snow family and it takes a certain kind of person to even want to visit this site.i have had all great experiences buying and selling here and if there ever has been a issue it has been able to work out.

it never works out on ebay for me i always take it in the a$$ and wallet

5 years ago ebay ruled...the last 3 have just sucked.way more bad than good.

if you really want to get the buyer file a report with his local police internet fruad dept.over $500 is a felony.maybe you can get him put in jail for being a con.

good luck x
 
dude i feel your pain
i once sold a pair of Oakley sunglasses for a buddy on ebay
dude that bought them paid me through paypal (suppose to be secure, right?)
transaction goes smooth, blah, blah, blah

well 3 weeks later i get an email from paypal, saying the dude that bought the glasses, pd w a stolen credit card
and i had to pay back the $$ to the dude's who's card it was!!!
can you believe that chit
and to top it all off, my buddy says it was my fault for accepting the pymnt and he wont pay me for it!!!!
i was LIVID

i was scared that if i didnt pay it back, that they would send a collection agency after me and report it to the credit bureau as an unpaid collection
so here i am, doing a "friend" a favour and i get f'd

so reply to ur question....
if the guy lives w/in a few hours away
drive there and get your engine back "your way" ....if u know what i mean
 
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Yeah really, lets have his address...maybe someone on here's local and can go have a "talk" with him.

I would think that if you have photo documentation and a copy of all correspondence proving you're in the right, there should be no reason to have to send the funds back. Might be worth a few dollars to ask an attorney though, just for peace of mind. Good luck:beer;
 
Send the engine back to the guy and tell Paypal to go **** themselves. Paypal is a private company and can't do ****. I've only payed for things with Paypal with my CC, so if something did happen, I can just go to my CC company and Paypal can go pound sand. You said no returns in your auction and sold as is, it's always a risk buying on ebay, even if the motor was in good shape and blow up as soon as it was started by the new owner, they have ZERO recourse. If I was to sell anything on ebay, I would just only accept Money order, no way for them to try and get money back, but then again, it's a easy way for a buyer to get screwed, I know that first hand :mad:
 
You live in Washington. What state does he live in?

Find out the laws about fraud in each state and file a claim.

The below are things you might consider.

File a claim in small claims court ... find out which state?

Name Paypal and ebay in the small claims court filing?

Find out his personal information and put a $$$ on his credit reports.

File police reports in each town and go to each district attorney ... one for his area and yours. Ask for a supeona to search his property and look at the serial numbers of engine(s) . He will have a hard time explaining why there are two engines documented by you when you only shipped one to him.
The only way he could lie out of it saying there is a core charge but you can come back and say the one shipped to you is beyond repair and show the terms and conditions of the auction stating no core charge. The problem is the government is strapped for cashg and might not want to do this. The other problem is he might not have the engine anymore, or it has dissapeared.

Wish I could do more.
 
I think I would also file small claims. If he wants his money back he should send you your stuff! What is the world coming to.

A couple of years ago I traded an older sled for an 800 polaris motor from a local shop. At that time the motors were going for about $2000 and my sled was worth about $2500. Anyway the shop sells my sled and while I am installing the engine. On the first ride on the 800 motor the bearings were spinning in the case sounded like a turbo spooling up and down. I took the motor into the shop told them what was up. The shop owner told me the motor was sold as is! The sales tag had it written right on it. He then sold me a rebuilt crank and case for $500 and said that was the best he could do.

I was pissed but the tag did say as is! So after $3000 dollars I had an 800 motor that lasted a year before the crank went out again.

My luck with used 800 motor sucks. And I have found that about half the used motor stuff I buy unseen on ebay is junk. Most of the time for the money I have (SAVED) I should have bought new. If can't see it and feel it, I don't think I will buy it anymore. Live and learn.

Good luck. I would also post his name and address here. Just my 2cents.
 
I'd take the advice above and file against the crook. People get away with it and that's why the problem is growing, just too bad it has to come to this. Getting harder to trust anyone these days.

Please give out his name & ebay ID, help protect others.
 
Anything short of paying this guy or getting him to drop the paypal claim WILL result in the loss of your paypal account and probably your ebay account. There will also be a credit hit from paypal. Banks stick together. If you ever open another bank account anywhere, this will show up and require resolution to open an account.

As right as you are and as rotten as this crook is, there is noway to avoid paying, except to get him to drop the claim. You MAY recover your money in small claims court, but you will never recover your time and aggravation.

Best of luck
 
I would not pay them back, but asking a attorney would be the best way to go, to make sure they can't do anything. I would let them take you to court if it comes to that
 
Did you get pics of your serial numbers before you sent it?

I'd go to court.
 
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