My next truck will absolutley %100 no questions asked be a Ford

[ruffryder]

Ruffy I have 2 sisters 1 sister in law and 1 wife that are teachers. All 4 of them will tell you that throwing money at education will not solve the problems faced by schools now days. The biggest problem education is facing today is the parents of the students. They refuse to be parents, they want to be their kids best friends. Schools can't assign homework to kids because they are just to busy to be bothered with homework. parents think that it is only the school systems responsibility to educate their child and they should take no part in it. I could go on and on about what I hear on a daily basis but that would serve no purpose. Just trust me when I say money is a small piece of the puzzle and no matter how much is spent it won't solve the problems

You just talking grade / junior high schools? There are other schools that can benefit from public money, community colleges, universities...

Again, we aren't talking about throwing money at an existing system, but rather utilizing funds to change the system. You are correct through, throwing money at the current system and making no changes does not help the situation much.

 

[skidoorulz]

You just talking grade / junior high schools? There are other schools that can benefit from public money, community colleges, universities...

Again, we aren't talking about throwing money at an existing system, but rather utilizing funds to change the system. You are correct through, throwing money at the current system and making no changes does not help the situation much.

I am talking K thru 12. You may call me old fashioned but I am of the belief that the taxpayer should and is responsible to pay for the required K thru 12 education that every child should get. But I do not believe that the government/ taxpayer should have any responsibility to pay for any part of ongoing education after high school. Everyone that goes on to college does it by choice and I believe they, not I should be responsible for the cost of that choice. I also believe that if corporations want highly educated people trained in the field they are looking for then they need to help shoulder that responsibility somehow. Afterall they will be the ones that will benefit the most from that education, not me or you as joe taxpayer.

 

[jzanc532]

You really think that you can have a business and be debt free? You are naive. Even the largest corporations in this country and world carry massive amounts of debt. You actually beleive that if we would have allowed these 2 big companies to fail that somehow would have bettered America? You are naive. Pouring more tax money into the education system is not going to better America. So by your statement about student loans being used for partying and snowmobiles I can only guess what you did with yours.

I can think of two very successful businesses (IMO of course) that I personally know the owners, and know that they are debt free. So I'm not sure how that makes me naive. I never said that allowing these two companies to fail would better America, so I'm not going to defend something I didn't say. After two+ post of me saying how much I don't like loans and debt do you really think I have or ever will take out student loans? I'll go ahead and answer that, I'm in college now I have never taken out a student loan and NEVER will. Scholarships and money I have saved will pay my way through school....who would have thought I would have scholarships?

 

[skidoorulz]

You said that taxpayer money should be used to better America. You are against taxpayer money that was given to GM and Chrysler so you obviously did not believe that these 2 companies succeeding and thousands of people keeping their jobs was bettering America. So I was led to believe that you thought that these 2 companies failing would better America, by that statement. Ironically I've got to leave this discussion to attend a graduation. Bye bye!

 

[PJ-Hunter]

Ruffy I have 2 sisters 1 sister in law and 1 wife that are teachers. All 4 of them will tell you that throwing money at education will not solve the problems faced by schools now days. The biggest problem education is facing today is the parents of the students. They refuse to be parents, they want to be their kids best friends. Schools can't assign homework to kids because they are just to busy to be bothered with homework. parents think that it is only the school systems responsibility to educate their child and they should take no part in it. I could go on and on about what I hear on a daily basis but that would serve no purpose. Just trust me when I say money is a small piece of the puzzle and no matter how much is spent it won't solve the problems

Then tell me this: Why do all of the schools here keep trying to raise our taxes so they can get more money?? I really don't have issues with giving the schools money, FOR TEACHING!! But I do have issues with new sports uniforms every GAWDAM year, I have issues with two different and HUGE computer labs (one with MACS and one with PCs) for a school that has just over 150 kids, K-8. What a waste! I have issues with 40" flat screen TVs in every room. What happened to the tv and vcr/dvd player on a cart? Private parties for teachers and staff to show appreciation? I thought getting paid all year for 8 months of work with more time off than I get is appreciation enough. The tenured teachers here make 40-50k a year. That isn't too bad.

 

[skidoorulz]

Then tell me this: Why do all of the schools here keep trying to raise our taxes so they can get more money?? I really don't have issues with giving the schools money, FOR TEACHING!! But I do have issues with new sports uniforms every GAWDAM year, I have issues with two different and HUGE computer labs (one with MACS and one with PCs) for a school that has just over 150 kids, K-8. What a waste! I have issues with 40" flat screen TVs in every room. What happened to the tv and vcr/dvd player on a cart? Private parties for teachers and staff to show appreciation? I thought getting paid all year for 8 months of work with more time off than I get is appreciation enough. The tenured teachers here make 40-50k a year. That isn't too bad.

TV's and VCR wear out and have to be replaced by the stuff available Have you tried to buy a TV anything other than a flat screen latley? Ain't happening. Schools are like everything else costs go up, things need replaced. If you ran an excavating business would you be digging trenches with a steam shovel? And your comment about teachers getting paid all year for 8 months work is just plain uneducated so I will educate you. All teachers are under contract with a school district. Contracts are for how many days the school year is to run. Somewhere around 185 to 190 days per year. Teachers get paid for the number of contracted days they agree to work when they sign the contract. No more no less I work approx. 250 days per year and get paid for it. Teachers work around 185 and that is what they get paid for. Teachers DO NOT get paid for summer vacation or Christmas or Thanksgiving or Spring break!!!! They get paid for the days in the classroom teaching. If a Teacher receives a paycheck by the district every month of the year as my wife does it is because they have the option to break their contracted pay up in either 9 equal payments or 12 equal payments. That is the only reason that some of them get a paycheck every month of the year. As far as the appreciation parties you talk about I guess I may as well educate you on those. They are usually always put on by the schools PTA using PTA funds not taxpayer funds. That would be illegal. If the PTA doesn't do it then some other organization such as the Chamber of Commerce or the Teacher union. You won't get an argument from me about the money spent on sports, that is rediculous. BUt the rest of it I will argue for a long time. Teachers get paid for the time worked! Just like you and I. I will also add thy are contracted for 8 hours a day and I will go out on a limb and say the majority of them work closer to 10 a day either at school or at home. Then can I mention the amount of personal money that most of them spend buying supplies and stuff for the classroom that school districts won't buy. Last year my wife racked up 1800 dollars of our own money spent. How much of your personal money do you put into the gas tank of the company vehicle? assuming you have a company vehicle.
There have got to be some teachers on here to back what I say up. Scott aren't you in education?

 

[treemagnet03]

Sorry...have to add my 2cents.

I have now been in college for over 6 years with two degrees under my belt. And still have two years to go to get my MD. And if it wasn't for government loans to help me and many others get this form and level of education, there wouldn't be anyone from the average population that could afford to be a nurse, doctor, engineer, scientist, etc, etc. These are HUGE fields when it comes to betterment of mankind. And these are most often degrees attained at universities subsidized by the government. Certainly k-12 got me where I am today (somewhat--I won't give it that much credit) but I have a strong, strong feeling that k-12 isn't enough to compete on a global field in the world we know today.

-T