My next truck will absolutley %100 no questions asked be a Ford

[Gutter]

Always have had GM's, I will no longer buy one. I do need a diesel to pull my boat, looks like I am going to have to get a powerstroke in my future once the duramax gives out.

I am starting to like the Tacomas more and more though, couple friends got them. Growing on me I guess.

 

[skidoorulz]

Absolutely could not resist digging this thread up for those who said GM and Chrysler were dead and had no chance of surviving and kiss your money goodbye the taxpayers will never be paid back. Well guess what boys and girls Chrysler has once again paid back the 6.8 billion it borrowed from the US government and the 2.2 billion it borrowed from the Canadian government and guess what boys and girls they did it 6 years early.

 

[milehighassassin]

I'll buy whatever I can get the better deal on and I feel is a better vehicle.

You guys bitching about GM and Chrysler, do you avoid all the major banks that took money? Bankruptcy (or protection) is there for a reason.

 

[jzanc532]

Absolutely could not resist digging this thread up for those who said GM and Chrysler were dead and had no chance of surviving and kiss your money goodbye the taxpayers will never be paid back. Well guess what boys and girls Chrysler has once again paid back the 6.8 billion it borrowed from the US government and the 2.2 billion it borrowed from the Canadian government and guess what boys and girls they did it 6 years early.

Guess what boys and girls, Ford never took a loan from the government and IMO (and plenty of others above) they are a better company than GM and Chrysler. I also try to spend my money with companies that are somewhat responsible and don't go around taking out loans for a rebuild, then expecting people to give a **** that they repaid them early. Sorry for being a d**k but companies need to take responsibility for their actions just like everyone else.

 

[skidoorulz]

That is your opinion and you are entitled to it. We can argue who has the better product all day long there is no right or wrong answer to that. I feel Dodge has a better product and have been happy with everyone I have owned since 1978. I have driven plenty of company bought GM's and Fords and to me they have nothing over a Dodge or Chrysler. I hope if you own a business you never fall on hard times and need to borrow money to get through those hard times because using your philosophy you had better just shut your doors. I was just pointing out the fact that alot of people on here were wrong about Chrysler and yeah as far as I am concerned they should be promoting the fact that they have repaid what many said was a waste of taxpayer dollars. I guess to some those words are tasting a little bitter right now.

 

[skidoorulz]

I'll buy whatever I can get the better deal on and I feel is a better vehicle.

You guys bitching about GM and Chrysler, do you avoid all the major banks that took money? Bankruptcy (or protection) is there for a reason.

Funny Milehigh. That is exactly what I said 2 years ago about the people bitching but wondering if were still using the bailed out banks.

 

[PJ-Hunter]

Just wondering how the hell do you people ever expect Chrysler or GM to pay back any of the money that was given to them if everyone quits buying them? You all calll them Obama motors. How much say do you really think that the government is going to have in those companies with only 10% ownership? Absolutely none! How long do you really expect Ford to last if GM and Chrsler go out of business? Do you really think that 1 American auto mfr could stand alone against the rest of the world? Especially the auto makers that make a much better product than we do. I would bet that at least 50% of the people who drive GM or Chrysler made vehicles would buy a foreign made car or truck to replace their GM or Chrysler vehicle if those 2 were out of business. I know I would. I am brand loyal and if my brand goes out of business I will be driving Toyotas for their quality and longevity over a Ford anyday

They should have never had to "borrow" money from the taxpayers to stay alive. FAIL!


I have a FORD. It's an 03 F250 and I'm keeping it. emission exempt

 

[jzanc532]

I hope if you own a business you never fall on hard times and need to borrow money to get through those hard times because using your philosophy you had better just shut your doors. I was just pointing out the fact that alot of people on here were wrong about Chrysler and yeah as far as I am concerned they should be promoting the fact that they have repaid what many said was a waste of taxpayer dollars.

If I had my own business and fell into bad times I would have enough money put away to make it or close my doors. Yeah people were wrong about Chrysler repaying the loans, but why should they promote it? I never got a pat on the back when I repaid my truck loan. Again paying off loans is something responsible people/companies do and don't expect something in return.

 

[skidoorulz]

So what you are saying it is ok to close up shop put people out of work in your company, leave all your creditors and suppliers in the lurch which would more than likely cause more people to lose their jobs rather than try anything you could to keep afloat and keep your employees working? Is that correct? Just think what the unemployment situation would be like in this country had GM and Chrysler taken your philosophy. I guess you would be known as a quitter and GM and Chrysler would be known as a survivor. Maybe the reason Chrysler is tooting it's own horn is that it is their way of shoving it up the butt of all the people who said they should have been allowed to fail. You can't tell me that if you borrowed money from the bank and dozens of people that know you told the bank they were crazy and that they would never see a dime of that money back and you paid the loan off and paid it off early, that you wouldn't be doing the same thing to all the naysayers.

 

[skidoorulz]

If I had my own business and fell into bad times I would have enough money put away to make it or close my doors. Yeah people were wrong about Chrysler repaying the loans, but why should they promote it? I never got a pat on the back when I repaid my truck loan. Again paying off loans is something responsible people/companies do and don't expect something in return.

Forgot to ask you what something is Chrysler expecting in return. They are just getting the fact out that they have repaid their loans cause you know darn well the media isn't going to report anything positive.

 

[jzanc532]

So what you are saying it is ok to close up shop put people out of work in your company, leave all your creditors and suppliers in the lurch which would more than likely cause more people to lose their jobs rather than try anything you could to keep afloat and keep your employees working? Is that correct? Just think what the unemployment situation would be like in this country had GM and Chrysler taken your philosophy. I guess you would be known as a quitter and GM and Chrysler would be known as a survivor. Maybe the reason Chrysler is tooting it's own horn is that it is their way of shoving it up the butt of all the people who said they should have been allowed to fail. You can't tell me that if you borrowed money from the bank and dozens of people that know you told the bank they were crazy and that they would never see a dime of that money back and you paid the loan off and paid it off early, that you wouldn't be doing the same thing to all the naysayers.

I don't see how paying employees with loans is acceptable at all, its good for them but not for the company. If my company was leaving suppliers and creditors in a lurch by closing it probably wouldn't be going bankrupt. If GM and Chrysler would have gone under I'm sure that would have expanded Ford's market a ton, and make more Ford jobs. As far as Chrysler tooting their own horn and shoving it up the butt of the naysayers, if that is what they are doing, I'm glad their comebacks have finally caught up to my third grade peers good for them!

Forgot to ask you what something is Chrysler expecting in return. They are just getting the fact out that they have repaid their loans cause you know darn well the media isn't going to report anything positive.

Chrysler wants people to buy their products in return for being a "responsible" and paying back loans.

 

[skidoorulz]

Businessess do the exact same thing all the time. Farmers and Ranchers do it. It is called operating loans. They do this for many reasons. To see them through slow times, when they have no product to sell or many other reason that if I mention them it will only serve in confusing you even more. I suppose you think government student loans are just fine, but don't loan money to businesses to keep thousands upon thousands of American people working. Would everyone here be so fired up about the loans Had Pres. Bush given them out? Don't get me wrong I dislike Obama as much as the next guy, but it never ceases to amaze me the amount of people that are wishy washy. I also wonder how many of the people who were so against these loans to GM and Chrysler went to school with loaned money from the government and then did not pay the loans back. I'd bet the numbers would amaze you.

 

[ruffryder]

I don't see how paying employees with loans is acceptable at all, its good for them but not for the company.

most companies do this all the time, especially smaller companies. Payroll is a large steady cost to companies, unlike income which can fluctuate dramatically. Businesses carry short term loans to cover these fluctuations.

If my company was leaving suppliers and creditors in a lurch by closing it probably wouldn't be going bankrupt.

?? So if your company wasn't leaving suppliers and creditors in a lurch they WOULD be going bankrupt? I don't think I am following what you are saying.

If GM and Chrysler would have gone under I'm sure that would have expanded Ford's market a ton, and make more Ford jobs.

Maybe, but you have to think about the assets and all the investments behind this. With Ford already leveraged, I don't think there would have been much money to purchase these assets. I don't think the other car companies would have been able to either as most where in a difficult position with car sales dropping so fast. As to Fords market expanding a ton, I think that is a bit naive. I think Ford may have gained the most, but all the other manufacturers, including foreign ones, would have gained market share.

 

[ruffryder]

I suppose you think government student loans are just fine, but don't loan money to businesses to keep thousands upon thousands of American people working. Would everyone here be so fired up about the loans Had Pres. Bush given them out?

interesting points

Don't get me wrong I dislike Obama as much as the next guy, but it never ceases to amaze me the amount of people that are wishy washy.

ha ha.. about as inconsistent as our politicians, aren't we!

I also wonder how many of the people who were so against these loans to GM and Chrysler went to school with loaned money from the government and then did not pay the loans back.

I don't think that is possible. Govt loans for education are guaranteed and last even through a bankruptcy. I don't think they go away at all.

 

[jzanc532]

Businessess do the exact same thing all the time. Farmers and Ranchers do it. It is called operating loans. They do this for many reasons. To see them through slow times, when they have no product to sell or many other reason that if I mention them it will only serve in confusing you even more. I suppose you think government student loans are just fine, but don't loan money to businesses to keep thousands upon thousands of American people working. Would everyone here be so fired up about the loans Had Pres. Bush given them out? Don't get me wrong I dislike Obama as much as the next guy, but it never ceases to amaze me the amount of people that are wishy washy. I also wonder how many of the people who were so against these loans to GM and Chrysler went to school with loaned money from the government and then did not pay the loans back. I'd bet the numbers would amaze you.

I express my opinion how if I owned a business I would want it to be debt free. As far as student loans, I think they are fine except for when people take them out for other reasons like buying a snowmobile or having money to party with. They help better America, which I personally believe is what tax payer money should be used for. Maybe if more tax money was used toward education my dumba** would know how to run a business as well as you do. My opinion would be the same if Bush would have done the same, I don't care for Obama or Bush. Thanks for the business lesson!

 

[skidoorulz]

I express my opinion how if I owned a business I would want it to be debt free. As far as student loans, I think they are fine except for when people take them out for other reasons like buying a snowmobile or having money to party with. They help better America, which I personally believe is what tax payer money should be used for. Maybe if more tax money was used toward education my dumba** would know how to run a business as well as you do. My opinion would be the same if Bush would have done the same, I don't care for Obama or Bush. Thanks for the business lesson!

You really think that you can have a business and be debt free? You are naive. Even the largest corporations in this country and world carry massive amounts of debt. You actually beleive that if we would have allowed these 2 big companies to fail that somehow would have bettered America? You are naive. Pouring more tax money into the education system is not going to better America. So by your statement about student loans being used for partying and snowmobiles I can only guess what you did with yours.

 

[skidoorulz]

interesting points
ha ha.. about as inconsistent as our politicians, aren't we!

I don't think that is possible. Govt loans for education are guaranteed and last even through a bankruptcy. I don't think they go away at all.

Ruffy I beleive the govt gauranteed loans are a gaurantee to the lending institute that loans the money to the student, that if the borrower defaults the govt will pay it back and then try to collect the debt. But let's be honest how successful has the govt been in this endeavor?

 

[ruffryder]

You really think that you can have a business and be debt free? You are naive. Even the largest corporations in this country and world carry massive amounts of debt.

easy man. Some companies do not have debt, and some companies have massive amounts of cash holdings. It is not impossible to have a business without debt, but it is more difficult to grow quickly without it. Being debt free can be a choice, others, some more risky, utilize and leverage themselves with debt to increase profitability.

Pouring more tax money into the education system is not going to better America.

Yes it is, absolutely. Many of the top technological companies are frustrated by the continual pulling of education funds by government... They want to make money, and the way they make money is to hire smart people that can make money for them. It is shown that on average a higher education results in a higher income. Higher income brings more tax income, more spending, and a growth in the economy. It also has a lasting effect on the individual being a source of tax generation rather then costing the government large sums of money.

Note that I am not saying that throwing good money at bad is a good way to go, but there are other mechanisms for teaching children that are on the horizon that are VERY worthwhile to implement.

 

[ruffryder]

Ruffy I beleive the govt gauranteed loans are a gaurantee to the lending institute that loans the money to the student, that if the borrower defaults the govt will pay it back and then try to collect the debt. But let's be honest how successful has the govt been in this endeavor?

I think you are correct on the guarantee, but way off on the collection of money. You ever owe the IRS money? I don't think Bankruptcy gets rid of IRS debt, nor school loans. If you make money or have things, the govt can easily and does, get their money. They will even take it in terms of tax refunds or rebates.

I think the govt always gets their money.. from individuals it seems.

 

[skidoorulz]

Ruffy I have 2 sisters 1 sister in law and 1 wife that are teachers. All 4 of them will tell you that throwing money at education will not solve the problems faced by schools now days. The biggest problem education is facing today is the parents of the students. They refuse to be parents, they want to be their kids best friends. Schools can't assign homework to kids because they are just to busy to be bothered with homework. parents think that it is only the school systems responsibility to educate their child and they should take no part in it. I could go on and on about what I hear on a daily basis but that would serve no purpose. Just trust me when I say money is a small piece of the puzzle and no matter how much is spent it won't solve the problems