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McCall Trails, Need a favor

No, McCall isnt what it used to be. I've been a tourist of McCall my whole life, and now I'm incredibley thankful for the opportunity to live here. I welcome the tourists as the locals always welcomed me.
 
Well Doug I wouldn't say I know less than nothing about what I'm saying. As you can see in the post I mentioned that I didn't know if anything has been worked out with the grooming and keeping of trails on Potlatch land.

"potlatch is letting us ride in mccall areas. does not require a special sticker of any kind here."

I would like you to explain the exact boundaries where they are letting you ride. How is the "mccall area" defined? Why is the "McCall area" exempt.
Edit: I assume you are talking about all of the newly acquired land.

I don't think stickers are being recognized this year as the land transaction between Tim Blixesth (spelling) and Potlatch took place in Dec.-Jan. As you can imagine it would be very hard to mark areas and inform the public. What I mean is it would take quite an amount of time to inform, and I'm sure as they are in transition there is more to worry about than keeping us out of their forest. I'm only talking about this newly acquired land, up north "use stickers" are already required. But make no mistake it will come, I imagine this summer will be the earliest you may see anything. Now for those who don't know this is not a public company. It is in no way related to: FS, State, BLM, etc. It is private ground. And even when it was Boise Cascade owned it was still private land, it was just open to the public.

That said the great thing about Potlatch is it is unlikely they will close the land off completely. They are great because they still let us camp, hunt, fish, get wood, etc. That said, make no mistake that they are in the business of making money (as we all are). They charge for hiking, camping, driving, and even walking. This summer you will see some of the parcels of land that are close to McCall, New Meadows, and Cascade: Being logged completely and prepared for sale in the future.

Switchback04- Your best bet for obtaining inormation would probably be IDL, or the IDFG. Infact if you pick up the current game regulations (I believe it is found on the last page) you will find I website and phone number where more information can be obtained. May have been the fishing regs that I was looking at, I'm not sure that the 08-09 regs are out yet.

Now I'm in no way in favor of closing our public land. But Private is Private and they can do what they want with it. Too many people move hear and become know it all's about everything and everywhere (thats how Switchback04 came off to me).Sorry I don't know you, I'm just saying thats why I reacted the way I did. I'm interested to know if I'm right though. I don't like tourists and I don't want my area and home booming with people as Mr. Miller does. It seems you have pretty grandeous plans for McCall. And to me you seem as if you think you are the greatest thing to happen to the grooming program, in awhile. When there are many that have worked much longer and devoted more time than you have, Doug. I was born and raised here and I absolutely hate seeing whats happening to the place. Its really gone downhill.

Edit: It was wrong for me to say that another sticker is required, I should have said another sticker will be required. The Point I was trying to make is that it is not Public land, in the general sense. (In my above post)

Doug again, you can refer to my above post for a thank you. But next time you better watch your mouth when you tell me I don't know what I'm talking about. Your Bull$hit don't fool me Doug!!!!

When I get another set of regs, I'll try and post a link for some info.

Sorry I came off to you with that impression. Computers are known not to be able to express emotion (and I'm not going to put one those stupid smilie icons in here) We all tend to let our brains override our emotions. Thank you for the information. You seem to have some inside information that others do not. Please don't take this as a slam. I really appreciate the heads up and any other informaton you can provide. I have talked with the owners and they have told me that there will be no special fees, but that and $1.00 will get you a cup of coffee (unless you go for the expresso stuff!) Is Potlatch aware that under Idaho law, if they charge a special fee to use their land, that they are liable for any and all accidents (and anything else that someone may come up with) which happens on their land? I did inform them of this.


PLEASE KEEP ME POSTED!
 
Yeah I must say I didn't mean to sound the way I did either. I guess I'll have to limit my booze and typing. Anyways I'm sure they are aware of all the legalities. As you can see in the link they own quite a bit of land and already implement "permit use" on tracts in N. Idaho and I'm sure other states as well. It will be interesting to see what happens. They were a forest products based company with their main focus being timber harvest but have recently switched to a "land trust" organization. I think we will be seeing more realestate based activity on the ground starting this summer. Who knows with the economy the way it is.

I wouldn't say I have inside information. I was just aware of the issue and I'm concerned so I try and follow as much as I can about whats going on with them. That link that I posted has a map but it isn't very detailed. Basically if you know where the Boise Cascade land was, it is more than likely Potlatch ground now. Other parcels where sold off before the purchase by Tim Blixesth and then the sale to Potlatch.

I posted all that stuff before I found the info on their website, but if you navigate around on it there is quite a bit of information regarding usage rules etc. As far as permits nothing is being implemented yet as they are assessing the "recreational value" of the area.

Please excuse my poor grammar and spelling. I aren't too smart ;)
 
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Yeah I must say I didn't mean to sound the way I did either. I guess I'll have to limit my booze and typing. Anyways I'm sure they are aware of all the legalities. As you can see in the link they own quite a bit of land and already implement "permit use" on tracts in N. Idaho and I'm sure other states as well. It will be interesting to see what happens. They were a forest products based company with their main focus being timber harvest but have recently switched to a "land trust" organization. I think we will be seeing more realestate based activity on the ground starting this summer. Who knows with the economy the way it is.

I wouldn't say I have inside information. I was just aware of the issue and I'm concerned so I try and follow as much as I can about whats going on with them. That link that I posted has a map but it isn't very detailed. Basically if you know where the Boise Cascade land was, it is more than likely Potlatch ground now. Other parcels where sold off before the purchase by Tim Blixesth and then the sale to Potlatch.

I posted all that stuff before I found the info on their website, but if you navigate around on it there is quite a bit of information regarding usage rules etc. As far as permits nothing is being implemented yet as they are assessing the "recreational value" of the area.

Please excuse my poor grammar and spelling. I aren't too smart ;)

Thanks for the link and the info Iclimb. Forget the g & m. We all can be subject to that and we all tend to get a little huffy at somethings. You seem to research your information (like I try to do) before running your mouth off (like most seem to do). I appreciate that. I know that small towns are great! I was born and raised in one myself. I have seen many changes in McCall in the last 5 years and it all seems to go back to the mighty buck (dollars, that is). I think the politics in McCall is as bad, if not worse than Washington DC! Keep the truth (and for you, I'd put in one of these stupid icons, if I could figure out how!)
 
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Sorry Doug. But the trails in McCall are not groomed. I think you referred to me as one of the 3 people who use the trail that are between your arse and the left pimple on your butt. West Mountain has not been groomed since the fun run in the middle of March.
 
So, no groomer touched all of West Mountain since Mid March?
Let's see,All on West Mountain:

Cascade's groomer is out for repairs. Grooming will continue into April in the McCall/Donnelly areas.

Friday, April 4: Tamarack Falls Parking Lot (H), No Business Saddle (G), (F), 4 Corners (E).

Thursday, March 20: Francis Wallace Parking Lot (U), Burgdorf. Upper Elevation Parking Lot, (X), Goose Lake (Y), Wallace Lane Parking Lot (Z), Hazard Lakes. Tamarack Falls Parking lot (H), No Business Saddle (G), (F), 4 Corners (E), Buck Saddle, Red Ridge (D), Bell Saddle (B), Blue Bunch (J), West Face Parking Lot (P).Smith's Ferry, Cabarton Road, Sage Hen, High Valley.

So, how do you explain this report? It says West Mountain has been groomed twice since mid march.

McCall Area Groomer Report
 
Just got home from McCall... the trails were great as usually. As Wade stated the trails were groomed around the Donnelly area recently. One bad thing that happened on Friday night was at Francis Wallace Parking lot... We got there Saturday morning, I'm not sure how many cars got broken into but when we parked there was a sheriff looking at vehicles. Apparently most of the vehicles left overnight had there windows broken out and gone through...even some trailers. I'm sure there are going to be some unhappy people when they get back to the lot.:mad:
 
Sorry, but a posted grooming schedule doesn't cut it. Being there in person does. Red Ridge was drifted, so bad, that if you didn't know where the trail was supposed to be you were lost.
 
Sorry... my info was first hand from the Donnelly area and not off the posted grooming report... I was just confirming what Wade posted. I do know the trails in that area are not getting groomed as often sense it's later in the season and only the high traffic areas are being looked after on a more frequent basis. I'm just glad we still have the snow to get out. Last year we were almost done. I'm sure the businesses around McCall appreciate all the out of towners spending there money. We should be able to ride into May this year.:D
 
very interesting.

i came out of fw sat morning at daybreak or so. have to read the sheriff's log to know when exactly.
no tracks in the snow from trucks driving out after mine the night before.

as for donnelley. it turns out it was me that groomed west mountain thursday afternoon. i ran up the trail 8 miles or so, couldn't find any bumps, and donnelley was out of money anyway, so i went back.

i also drove over and looked at westface, which had no action last week, and very minimal traffic across the highway.

one of us is confused.

;)

And Donelly ran out of money anyway?????:face-icon-small-dis
I thought we all worked as a team Doug??????:face-icon-small-dis
Really good team players aren't you guys!!!!!!:face-icon-small-dis
 
At the risk of pissing you all off... well actually it seems like you are all already pissed off, but at the risk of turning your dislike towards me...

Shutup already. Yea, I know, I can stop reading this post if I don't like it. But you guys are like little kids on the playground *****ing back and forth at each other.

You've all made your point. Some think the grooming was better than ever some think it is worse and some of you just don't like each other because of local politics. Fine.

Let this thread die now.

sled_guy
 
And Donelly ran out of money anyway?????:face-icon-small-dis
I thought we all worked as a team Doug??????:face-icon-small-dis
Really good team players aren't you guys!!!!!!:face-icon-small-dis

Good points Hunter2008. I didn't know that the Donnelly Cub was excluded from 43A monies. I guess that must be why they don't have any money to groom however, there is enough money to keep gooming Warren Wagon Road. Go figure!!!

I'm sorry you were mislead by others, that the 43A area was a "team". Please don't lose faith, many are working in the background to rectify the situation.
 
I'm curious to know how some in the McCall area would like the grooming to be changed next year (sense people are behind the scene fixing issues). The way I see it... locals want the trails to be groomed to meet their needs. Then the areas that are used less frequently are groomed as much as the areas that have high use. I'd even venture to say that most of those that complain would like to ride from there house so they don't have to trailer to the areas that are groomed more often.
 
Is it just me or do we have a bunch of whoosies on this site right now? Some of you guys will complain no matter what. If it's groomed you don't like when it's groomed...if it's not, god help us...and you certainly aren't happy with where it's groomed.

If the sport is that miserable to you, stop doing it. And, the arguments about a cat track being cut through Duck lake...LMAO. Every time I've gone in there this year the hills have had the exact same amount of tracks on them (little to none)...cat tracks don't grow balls boys. Go ride...have fun...stop whining about trails and get yourself a non-touring sled.
 
I'm curious to know how some in the McCall area would like the grooming to be changed next year (sense people are behind the scene fixing issues). The way I see it... locals want the trails to be groomed to meet their needs. Then the areas that are used less frequently are groomed as much as the areas that have high use. I'd even venture to say that most of those that complain would like to ride from there house so they don't have to trailer to the areas that are groomed more often.
I'm not saying that the trails should be groomed to meet my needs. I'm only saying that the McCall trail system should be groomed on a regular basis. I really don't care if the trail from Francis Wallace to Warren gets groomed 3 or more times a week, I would just like to see all other areas groomed at least more than 3 times this season!

Anyway, no big deal, grooming is at its end for this season.
 
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