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[bigfoot]

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If he doesn't agree with statements like that, then please answer for me:
1. Why did he attend his church for 20 years?
2. Why did he have the "reverend" marry him and his wife?
3. Why did he have the "reverend" babtize his children (both of them)?
4. Why did Obama donate money to his church?
5. Why did Obama appoint to his campaign?
Could it possibly be that once the reverend got into the lime light that he took advantage of it and stepped up his crazy rhetoric? I doubt the reverend is the same person he was 20 years ago, I doubt any of us were.

Obama made an interesting point in that you need to keep discussion open about race, even though you have strong disagreements about it, keeping discussion going is the best way to combat it.
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Unlikely since the sampling of his speeches were taken over many years. For example the famous "Chicken's Coming Home to Roost" speech talking about the September 11th attacks being America's fault was given the same week the attack happened in 2001.

Obama want's to "keep the discussion about race" open? Great, lets start by holding everyone to the same standard, if a white man were involved in this especially a white conservative their career would be over, and rightfully so.

 

[Snow Fox]

That is obviously a copy/paste how about a link?

Yes it obviously is a copy/paste, every quote has the source listed. It can't get any clearer than that.........

 

[Dare-Ya]

what does snomobiling have to do with political ideas? Do all sledders need to be conservative?

You are what you are. I think there are alot of us, who are aware of there being radicals in many parts of the world. History shows that truly free nations aren't trying to blow each other up. No, you don't have to be a conservative as a snowmobiler, I think you you should be educated on what parties are trying to get rid of you. As this is a snowmobile forum, your going to hear about it from more than just me.

 

[cmantle1]

You are what you are. I think there are alot of us, who are aware of there being radicals in many parts of the world. History shows that truly free nations aren't trying to blow each other up. No, you don't have to be a conservative as a snowmobiler, I think you you should be educated on what parties are trying to get rid of you. As this is a snowmobile forum, your going to hear about it from more than just me.

i dont bleed blue or red, i actually am not a fan of any of the candidates, but i want some change. IMO, i dont want a war, you guys can all tear me apart and say "so you dont like being free blah blah blah", no i dont like people dying in a war that wont be won.

And i know democrats favor land closure, but there are alot of things about republicans i despise as well. im not going to support one party just based on one thing they do or dont do.

I also believe i was a better public speaker then McCain in the sixth grade....

 

[weetee]

OK cmantle1, What makes you think leaving Iraq will stop Americans from being killed? We were being killed way before the Iraq war. If you vote for Obama, we will pull out, radical Islam will prosper (with oil money this time) The only way radical Islam can be defeated is by moderate Muslims. The only way the moderate Muslims can win peace is in a democracy. Containment does not work. Especially when the democrats gut your intelligence capability. Do you think having an ally in the center of the turmoil (Iraq in the Mid east) is a bad thing? Tell me how pulling troops out of Iraq will help our fight against radical Islam?
It's sad that your willing to give up your riding oppurtunities for a "can not win" strategy.
So you believe in peace, at ANY cost? You want change? Be careful what you wish for!

 

[khaddon2110]

? OJ wearing the leather glove? are you trying to make a connection to black people being criminals? cause thats what it sounded like to me...

Mabye Obama doesnt support the war cause hes sick of people dying? Mabye Obama wants to see those troops come home and be with thier families instead of being in a desert fighting a war that cant be won.

Let me ask you guys a question, Can you exterminate every single ant from your property by picking them off one by one? Never, this war is gonna just keep going no where and claim american lives....

To say this war is going nowhere is just your defeatist attitude showing.......
This war may never be won with a conclusive final battle a more traditional war would have, but I would much rather continue the policy of fighting the fight overseas rather than in my backyard. Pulling back will not end the fight, that is guaranteed. So why change policy to bring the fight home?

In politics 08, I will not be voting for either of the candidates on the left... that is for sure....and if I do decide to cast my vote for the candidate the right has put forward, I will certainly do it while holding my nose.

It would be nice to be able to excercise my right to vote by actually casting a vote for someone rather than against someone else. Very soon it will be time for a third party!

 

[cmantle1]

OK cmantle1, What makes you think leaving Iraq will stop Americans from being killed? We were being killed way before the Iraq war. If you vote for Obama, we will pull out, radical Islam will prosper (with oil money this time) The only way radical Islam can be defeated is by moderate Muslims. The only way the moderate Muslims can win peace is in a democracy. Containment does not work. Especially when the democrats gut your intelligence capability. Do you think having an ally in the center of the turmoil (Iraq in the Mid east) is a bad thing? Tell me how pulling troops out of Iraq will help our fight against radical Islam?
It's sad that your willing to give up your riding oppurtunities for a "can not win" strategy.
So you believe in peace, at ANY cost? You want change? Be careful what you wish for!

And you think muslim people love it when we constantly occupy thier country? Weetee when you have two seprate groups of people who HATE each other with a passion, there is going to be no peace and democracy. Leaving that ****hole will get us out of the mess. I do not think the war against radical Islam will stop, why? Because we have supported Israel (Jews) since they became a nation. We went against the Arab nations, and thats coming back to bite us in the ***. Radical Muslims will never be gone, i think we need to worry about the war in our own streets rather than trying to be world police. Ever lived in a big city weetee, kids are getting killed for tying thier shoes wrong, and you want to worry about something half way around the world? Oh thats right, cause theres oil there and of coarse thats more important than our own American lives.

It is inevatable that being the most powerful and spoiled nation in the world people will always hate us, and always attack us. I think we have more problems here than we can handle, and IMO that is much more important than wasting lives in some desert.

Right now its Islam, next ittll be Africa, then China, pretty soon were gonna be fighting a "war on terror" on every continent.....

 

[khaddon2110]

? OJ wearing the leather glove? are you trying to make a connection to black people being criminals? cause thats what it sounded like to me...

i think we need to worry about the war in our own streets rather than trying to be world police. Ever lived in a big city weetee, kids are getting killed for tying thier shoes wrong

I don't think he was trying to make that connection, but you just did it for him!

 

[Dare-Ya]

Last I checked, the Iraqi's had their own government, not a perfect one by no means, but you demean our troops by saying we're occupying Iraq. Without us, what do you think would happen? I know you don't care what happens to Iraq if we should leave, but even Obama's close advisor has told him, we need to be there longer. It's not about the oil, say that all you like. If it were, don't you think we would have took control in the Gulf War. However, if radicals get to use the profits from Iraq's oil, to use against us, what do you think will happen? Should we not support Israel? Iran and other countries would like nothing more than to wipe Israel of the map, and how is that any different than what Hitler tried to do? Like you said, we are always going to be a target of hate, and it already is a global war on terror, just as you stated earlier (i.e. Somalia, Africa). I want someone in office who will not rule war out, no one wants war, but sometimes it is necessary. I know you will probably respond that Iraq was not necessary, but we're there now, we need to finish the job.

 

[weetee]

And you think muslim people love it when we constantly occupy thier country? (The moderate Muslims, YES)Weetee when you have two seprate groups of people who HATE each other with a passion, there is going to be no peace and democracy. (Uh, back in the 1860's, the north & south didn't exactly love each other) Leaving that ****hole will get us out of the mess. (And create a much bigger mess) I do not think the war against radical Islam will stop, why? Because we have supported Israel (Jews) since they became a nation. We went against the Arab nations, and thats coming back to bite us in the ***. (You want to throw another democracy under the bus?) Radical Muslims will never be gone, (Is that any reason to empower them?) i think we need to worry about the war in our own streets rather than trying to be world police. (You want the feds policing your city streets?) Ever lived in a big city weetee, kids are getting killed for tying thier shoes wrong, and you want to worry about something half way around the world? (You need a new Mayor if you have rampant killing in your streets! Rudy is available.) Oh thats right, cause theres oil there and of coarse thats more important than our own American lives. (You dont think this country should help defend the worlds oil supply? Do you realize what would happen if it were disrupted?)It is inevatable that being the most powerful and spoiled nation in the world people will always hate us, (Including you ?) and always attack us. I think we have more problems here than we can handle, and IMO that is much more important than wasting lives in some desert.

Right now its Islam, (But you said war against Islam will never end)next ittll be Africa, then China, pretty soon were gonna be fighting a "war on terror" on every continent..... (If there are training camps in Africa you bet. I think China can take care of itself)

I hope I answered some of your questions.

 

[ruffryder]

North and South is not that good of an analogy. Religious beliefs are much stronger and deeper than this. Look around the world and a lot of the mass killings and genocides have religious intentions.

Democracy under the bus? It is an example of a democracy, fighting so called terrorism and going no - where in the battle. Both sides hate the other and it looks like it will go on for a long time.

The problem with terrorism is that it is a very emotional word, and unfortunately is heavily dependant upon a persons point of view or reference. One sides hero is another sides terrorist.

The war on Islam will not end, but the focus of the American government will change. Look how easily it changed from Afghanistan to Iraq to........ easy steps to take.

 

[cmantle1]

I don't think he was trying to make that connection, but you just did it for him!

oohhh so all gang violence is from blacks? No you just assume that because its a common stereotype....

 

[cmantle1]

I hope I answered some of your questions.

Ummm not quite buddy.....

So New York, DC, LA, Oakland, and just about every other city need a new mayor? Do i want police at every corner of every street, of coarse not. I want them to not spend Trillions of dollars on war, and mabye use some money to clean up ghettos and get underpriveleged kids chances to do what we do. Yes i am not denying that i am spoiled like all of us who drive big trucks, ride sleds, and have food to eat everynight. Mabye if we put money into this we could get ourselves another MLK?

I hate this "what we started we gotta finish, i have the biggest penis" mentality. In that case lets take over th world? And Arabs wanting to take back thier holy land becuase we stole it form them and gave it to the Jews is no better then Hitler? Bogus analogy. And the civil war had nothing to do with religion, or conflict that stretched to dam near the dawn of time.
Sunnis and Shiites hate each other, and always will, that wont change.

If Bush admitted he entered the war for oil, tht would be a different story. He lied to every American, were there weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? NO. If he claims that hes doing it for world peace, then i want to know why were not in Africa. Yes horrible **** goes down in the middle east, but ive heard plenty of horror stoires from Africa as well.

How can you say moderate muslims like us there? Have you talked to one? OR better yet visited? Then i dont think your exactly a crediable source. It seems logical to me they would like to be on there own....Would you like people from another country shooting the **** out of your nieghborhood?

 

[milehighassassin]

It is easy to see on this thread the people who would like to continue to use public land for snowmobilling, fight radical Islam EVERYWHERE, keep their guns, reverse the abserd eminent domain law, keep taxes low, restrict federal spending,,,,,and those who don't. (or don't care) and are more concerned with sex education.

Here you go, now stop whining.

You mean Federal Spending... like the Billions we are wasting on this war in Iraq (not I said Iraq)

 

[milehighassassin]

Thats funny. You are joking? Right?

SERIOUSLY, show me where his voting record is so horrible.

 

[milehighassassin]

I think it is your true colors finally showing. Do you realize this is a snowmobile forum? So ya, coming out of the woods, would be an appropriate
statement. You and milehigh keep asking for referances, may I suggest you look at the democratic parties donor lists, and voting records, and if you have, you obviously have very liberal leanings, and anything we say or show links to, is not gonna make one bit of difference to ya.

Show me these donor lists. Why do you think you can make claim and not back it up or say, "go find it yourself". If you want to look at donor lists, what do you think you will find on the Republican Donor list? Come on, you know you don't want to open that can of worms.

For the record I voted for Bush the last two elections, I am a registered Republican, but their spending and war policy is out of control and putting our country in debt to China (among others) for at least the next 20 years. It has accomplished nothing. Iraq was a mistake, we should have finished the job in Afghanastan.

 

[milehighassassin]

If he doesn't agree with statements like that, then please answer for me:
1. Why did he attend his church for 20 years?
2. Why did he have the "reverend" marry him and his wife?
3. Why did he have the "reverend" babtize his children (both of them)?
4. Why did Obama donate money to his church?
5. Why did Obama appoint to his campaign?

So anything that the guy that marrried you and your wife, we can hold YOU accountable for? Same with the reverend/preacher/whatever that baptised your children?


What if I was Catholic and my parents were married by a Catholic priest that got too personal with little boys, should I be held accountable for that?
Your analogy is a joke.

Again for the 3rd time, go watch the video I posted. Obama talks about his preacher in great detail, he says that what his preacher said is wrong in in NO way does it reflect his (Obama's) personal beliefs.

 

[milehighassassin]

How about the numerous posts from people that think he is a muslim, and how he hates white people and the like? I can get a more detailed list if needed, but it might cut into my work time.

Lets see this list. He is NOT Muslim, and he is HALF White, His FULL white grandmother raised him. Why on Earth would he hate white people? Over half of his family is white. His mother is white.

The guy is a REAL American (NOT 100% of anything, but a mix, like probably EVERYONE on this forum).

 

[ruffryder]

Lets see this list. He is NOT Muslim, and he is HALF White, His FULL white grandmother raised him. Why on Earth would he hate white people? Over half of his family is white. His mother is white.

The guy is a REAL American (NOT 100% of anything, but a mix, like probably EVERYONE on this forum).

whow dude, it was a list of things untrue posted on here, thus I agree with the above!

 

[weetee]

Ummm not quite buddy.....

So New York, DC, LA, Oakland, and just about every other city need a new mayor?(Yes) Do i want police at every corner of every street, of coarse not. I want them to not spend Trillions of dollars on war,(Police do not fund the war) and mabye use some money to clean up ghettos and get underpriveleged kids chances to do what we do. (Where are their parents and who denies them privilege?) Yes i am not denying that i am spoiled like all of us who drive big trucks, ride sleds, and have food to eat everynight.(Speak for yourself, I've worked hard for what I have) Mabye if we put money into this we could get ourselves another MLK? (Uh, what? You want more milk?)

I hate this "what we started we gotta finish, i have the biggest penis" mentality. Uh, well, OK ya got me on that one!) In that case lets take over th world? And Arabs wanting to take back thier holy land becuase we stole it form them and gave it to the Jews is no better then Hitler? (Actually, before wwII, Palestine had a mixed population of jewish and palestinian residents.) was Bogus analogy. And the civil war had nothing to do with religion, or conflict that stretched to dam near the dawn of time. (But it did wipe out an entire generation on both sides. Thats tuff to forgive) Sunnis and Shiites hate each other, and always will, that wont change. (Hate to break it to ya sport, Iraq is a functioning democracy?)

If Bush admitted he entered the war for oil, tht would be a different story. (Bush said on many occasions we will protect the worlds oil supply)He lied to every American,(And what lie is that? The one were he stated that US and foreign intelligence communities said Iraq had wmds? That was no lie.) were there weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? NO.(Tell that to the thousands of dead Kurds that were gassed) If he claims that hes doing it for world peace, then i want to know why were not in Africa. Yes horrible **** goes down in the middle east, but ive heard plenty of horror stoires from Africa as well. (You dont think we're watching Africa?)

How can you say moderate muslims like us there? (How can you say they dont?) Have you talked to one? OR better yet visited? (And you sir?) Then i dont think your exactly a crediable source. (Or you.) It seems logical to me they would like to be on there own....Would you like people from another country shooting the **** out of your nieghborhood? (If that country was trying to protect me from radical beheading Christians, I surely would!)

That was easy. Next!