M1000 or Summit 860 bb?

[batman]

Which one would you get?

approx same dough....either M1000....or a summit 154 w/ an 860 bb kit...SHR or RKT is probably what id do......

opinions?

 

[440dart]

xp i just havnt seen a 1000 go good even with slp kit not sled biasd just xps around here stock motors stock cans put a whoopin on alot of sleds around here

 

[Roar_Your_Engine]

My brother had an 03 summit 800 with RK Tech's 827 drop in kit and it ran really good. It was right were they said it should be, great power. I bet the 860 is freakin sweet. I have never rode or been around a m1000 though. I'm sure they are plenty capable.

 

[batman]

the 1000 has huge jugs...i think the piston is 90mm

the 860 uses 85mm...which is the same as the old 900 motor, just a little less rpm...not sure on the stroke.

the old cat 900 was actually like an 860 on paper.

regardelss, just trying to figure out what might be the most sled for the buck. i think that 1000 motor might still have more torque and hp.

sucks to hear you haven't heard of a decent one run w/ tha slp package. the #'s they talk about are promising.

sounds for not too much buck, a guy could make a m1000 180-190hp? again, assuming the kit worked.

 

[Idcatman3]

My brother has an M1000 that he was running with the SLP setup last winter. I was pretty impressed with the way it ran. Once dialed in, it was a pretty nice sled to ride. I don't like the M chassis, but the motor was good.

For that matter though, I don't really think I'd like the xp chassis either.

And the cat 900 was an 862, 76mm stroke. The doo 800 must be pretty close to the same stroke.

 

[440dart]

NOT saying the 1000 is bad i just havnt seen one go, but thats just like everything else i havnt seen a dragon go "thats what i ride d7" mines the only one that ive seen go good, m7/8s i rode were turds not much pull to them, my buddy put a 174 on his m8 but i havnt seen it go. when he had his 153 on i would spank him on a hill or drag with my stock d7 with stock 163 track if you know how the stock polaris track performs you know thats not good for the m8.


three guys i know this year put 860 kits in 2 blew up 1 runs good so i think they are kind of hit and miss setups

 

[trench]

I think it all depends what type of ridding you like to do.

The summit w/ 860 154 will sure be fun, but woun't get the high mark in the steep and deep.

Dart's 700 will most likely beat it in the deep.

Never seen a m-1000 slp piped or stock go really good either , but I did see a D&d 1200 M go real good.

Not that the 1000 m won't go good we don't have many in our area.

For a 1000 it should stand out.

 

[Roar_Your_Engine]

the 1000 has huge jugs...

Ok I changed my mind.

 

[OuraySledder]

the 1000 has huge jugs...

Ok I changed my mind.

Yeah...I don't know how you can beat that.

Fact is the tuning was off on the '07-'08 M1000. The '09 supposedly rips pretty good, and with the latest updates, the early ones do too. My dealer reports happy M1000 customers (finally) with the latest round of fixes.

The other thing working against the M1000 SLP set-up is the boondocker box. Lots of room for user error there, and probably why few of them run as they should.

My money is on the dialed M1000 with SLP pipe and can. Doesn't look like it takes a whole ton of money to get 40-50lbs off an early M1000 either. Tons of potential and a motor that doesn't require a new top end every summer to run well.

 

[MR MOOSE]

Two thumbs up to the 1000! I love mine and have never had a problem with any XP or dragon, stock or modified!

 

[Ryan-41]

I would get the 1000 for sure....I like reliability

 

[backcountryislife]

an M1000 with Y & intake will outrun the 860, but as people on here keep saying in a round about way, not all setups are equal. I have ridden M1000's that are POOCHES, and I have ridden D8's with a little clutching that kicked azz, if you can't set up a sled then it won't run no matter WHAT it is..

Good running machine compared to same, the 1000 with a little work <$400 will beat the 860 & imo will be more reliable.

I've seen some good running 860's though, if you like that chassis, I think you'd be happy with that machine if you get one that runs, I haven't seen that consistently though.

 

[trinitypowder]

Pick the chassis you like. My 860 put a hurting on two M1000's last year in the Snowies with about 40 people watching. If you were there, you know. 500' climb in a foot of fresh-me up and over "straight ahead Ed" style, the m's had to sidehill to make it-and just barely I might add. I weigh 240lbs both m riders 190ish. One m was stock, and one had a box and single-both 162's. But the next day could have produced different resultsBut I doubt it!!

 

[trinitypowder]

I would get the 1000 for sure....I like reliability

The BIG m's grenade too you know MAybe not as often as a Doo, but they do blow stuff up.

 

[columbus]

Two thumbs up to the 1000! I love mine and have never had a problem with any XP or dragon, stock or modified!

agreed

 

[Slick]

What I always find so interesting is the 860 guys pay to increase their displacement which will increase HP and torque so as to best the 800's, then they assume that larger engine can also best an engine with 140 cc's greater displacement than they now have, and I'm assuming all of these sleds are dialed. I don't get it. And yes , I know of 700's that whipped up on 900's, but it isn't the norm, the 900 guy obviously has issues.

 

[440dart]

What I always find so interesting is the 860 guys pay to increase their displacement which will increase HP and torque so as to best the 800's, then they assume that larger engine can also best an engine with 140 cc's greater displacement than they now have, and I'm assuming all of these sleds are dialed. I don't get it. And yes , I know of 700's that whipped up on 900's, but it isn't the norm, the 900 guy obviously has issues.

cc's matters to an exstent my stock yfz450 with pipe spanks piped and chipped raptor 700s all day long, but then again my yfz beats most 450s&700s rideing double.

or iqr 440 or 440mxz vs a yamaha phazer

or how bout a rx1 vs 900kk no contest for the 900 in my book theres a number of different options out there just because its the biggest SOB out there dont mean anything granted it should be just some engines dont perform

 

[Slick]

I agree, but keeping it apples to apples, an RX1 and a KK were hardly similar machines. The Summit or M8, Dragon or M1000 are certainly more similar assuming they are all models made for more the mountain deep snow type riding. It would be the same scenario if you used a Renegade and Crossfire or Switchback, etc. The 4 stroke Yammi's and SkiDoos I believe are a different breed and shouldn't be compared straight across.

 

[Jaynelson]

XP with an 860 sounds like a pretty fun combo to me....

 

[winter brew]

M1K vs XP....definatly a loaded question with no definate answer
Depends on what type of riding you do.....hill shooter? Boondocker? drag racer? From what I've seen it takes a VERY well setup and slightly modded M1K to consistantly beat a properly setup STOCK XP on a hill or in a drag race. Just havn't seen too many good running M1K's, although you would THINK they should be the Kingspoop! I've had Cat's...not brand loyal. I think their secondary clutch and the EFI is a big part of what holds them back....a BD box is a must.
As far as the chassis, the M-feels like riding a buckboard by comparison, XP setup right has a much better bump ride and boondocks almost as easily with better ergo's (all IMHO of course )