Pick a club that is affected by these closures and buy a memebership. a percentage of that membership goes directly to the bcsf to help fight issues like these. it doesnt matter if you ride in the area of that club or not as you are helping out the whole sledding comunity by showing support. if you can afford to sled you should be able to afford a membership in one of these areas. some of these clubs are small orginizations that have spent many man hours and dollars fighting these closures and could use a little boost.
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Pick a club that is affected by these closures and buy a memebership. a percentage of that membership goes directly to the bcsf to help fight issues like these. it doesnt matter if you ride in the area of that club or not as you are helping out the whole sledding comunity by showing support. if you can afford to sled you should be able to afford a membership in one of these areas. some of these clubs are small orginizations that have spent many man hours and dollars fighting these closures and could use a little boost.
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-ya i get it -just hate ta think that out there some granola eatin goof is keepin tabs on all the "beer" stories etc. for some future reference for closures etc....internet is too public when sledders are already under fire-YAY!!! Someone actually agrees with me and is thinking along the same lines as I do!! You are so right on this issue, team dirt. Some people seem to have this attitude that if they frequented the areas in the past and broke trails into new areas (whatever) gives them special privilege and they are exempt from buying memberships. You can bet your bottom dollar that those treehuggers are looking at our numbers when it comes to closing down our areas, and if a membership is particularly low in a certain area it gives them all the more ammunition to fire at us. In the PG area we have now lost 80% of our riding areas. They looked at our numbers....hard to believe that less than 150 memberships were sold for our club. And the people that didn't buy memberships want equal say in the areas that they ride!! And they complain about trail grooming, and the list goes on. I say go buy a membership then you can have all the voice you want!!
till i pay my $100 i'll just have to shut my yap i guess...?
like i said nothing wrong with clubs etc.- just some comments by individuals belonging to the organization that i wanted to voice my opinion on. i recieved the exact same attitude from some members years ago - then they asked me to bring in my trail maps and help to develope the north fraser areas (...maybe the same people?) i know it definitly made me want to run out and join the club thats for sure...maybe...dunno
time will tell i guess
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till i pay my $100 i'll just have to shut my yap i guess...?
i think you misunderstood what is being said here. I agree about the drinking and sledding dont look good on us as a group. buying a trail pass for the day is a great way to contribute, but those numbers only show use and not members. It is a very sickening feeling knowing that the area that you have rode for years and have looked after to a great extent may just be taken away from you. our area is very limited terain already due to closures and cat ski and heli ski tenures. our club only charges $35 a year for memberships and has been involved a great deal with the caribou issue as we are considerd to be in what is called the hub of cariboo country. Also now the people to deal with on this issue has changed hands and it feels like starting over from scratch.
think i've about flogged this horse to death.
...need a change of direction other than the club, no club,he said ,she said debate...what was the topic for this thread again? oh yeah loss of areas,ooops! does anyone know where in p.g. a person is to get an "official" map detailing the closures yet ?the ministry of enviroment with the c/o officers are supposed to be enforcing the new rules are they not?closures are going to be posted in the hunting regs. Well I don't hunt so how I'm I sopposed to Know.
closures are going to be posted in the hunting regs. Well i don't hunt so how i'm i sopposed to know.
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think i've about flogged this horse to death.
1st post of the thread. seems pretty clear to me.
i'm talking actual "official" 1:50 000 maps... not over-glorified hunting regulation maps. a guy could transpose the new areas using the management boundaries & elevations for a reference. i just wouldn't want my sleds & truck taken away and be facing jail time cause of a mis-interpretation is all.
This Just in, Avalanches have killed 100 Caribou, the mountain in question has been arrested and his rocks impounded.Ha! I can't believe they are closing so much area Caribou herds have been dwindling for a long time I don't think snowmobiles are the cause, what about wolves, bears, disease,or evolution(survival of the fittest) some species just go extinct like dinosaurs. This might work in our favor they close the areas,
the caribou still decline and they have to admit that we were right. Probably not the way it will go down. Why don't we organize a huge event at
a closed area get 1000 or 2000 sleds there TV, COPS, Environmentalists, etc
it would be big news. I know cat skiing operations are worried also was just at one. Anybody know of any forums that would be against us maybe we could get on there and ruffle some feathers or should I say dreadlocks.
the caribou still decline and they have to admit that we were right. Probably not the way it will go down. Why don't we organize a huge event at
a closed area get 1000 or 2000 sleds there TV, COPS, Environmentalists, etc
it would be big news. I know cat skiing operations are worried also was just at one. Anybody know of any forums that would be against us maybe we could get on there and ruffle some feathers or should I say dreadlocks.
Does anyone know if any of these land are traditional native lands or if the natives have been involved in talks? they have a strong voice in government and could really shake things up if they haven't been included, just a thought.
Our once a wk. paper is full of bashing us this wk., the " save the caribou guys" aren`t happy and want more area closed to snowmobilers.
http://www.bclocalnews.com/kootenay_rockies/revelstoketimesreview/news/40192703.html
Poor things look scared to death don`t they. We are finding in this area the animals prefer to hang around our most snowmobiled areas. For safety or they just like us, not sure.
in this photo there were 21 of us at a popular meeting spot on top of the mtn. and if you look into the background you can see the animals laying down resting about 150 ft. from us. In both pics. we are in "open to snowmoibling areas" just for the record.
Excellent pictures!! Email them to Minister Barry Penner and the Premier of BC. These people need to hear from us as they really are cut off and isolated by their handlers. And keep writing!
Hello Pat Bell,
There was quite a long agenda at the Prince George Snowmobile Club meeting last night, and lots of discussion.
In regards to Mountain Caribou recovery there was one item that the Minister of the Environment would be interested in. One of our members was snowmobiling in the area between the Willow River and the Bowron River, in what the Mountain Caribou Recovery Implementation Plan identifies as Planning Unit 5A - Upper Fraser. The associated Wildlife Management unit's are 7-5, 7-6, 7-7. Our club member was with a group of 4 snowmobilers and had made a brief stop. As they started out again a very large healthy mountain cat darted across the trail in front of them. The cat was able to move at great speed and they measured the distance in the tracks at 12 feet apart! The cat disappeared in a matter of seconds, but it was a very impressive and beautiful beast. An animal of that size and speed will quickly learn where to find the caribou in Planning Unit 5A.
Snowmobiling is now forbidden in Planning Unit 5A, however the PGSC will be very interested in the information from the next survey of the Mountain Caribou in that unit. The wolves in the Narrow Lakes area and now the cats will put lots of pressure on that Mountain Caribou population this summer. No one will know until next winter what the mortality rate is this summer from the predators.
There is also another aspect of this incident that makes it worthwhile cc'ing the Premier and the Minister of the Environment, and that is the depth of the rift between the local MoE staff and the snowmobile community. One would assume the MoE staff would be interested in good relations with a group that has the most active and extensive network of eyes in the mountains and backcountry in the winter time that there is. The caribou would certainly benefit from good communications to the MoE, but it doesn't happen. Instead a wall of animosity has been deliberately fostered to cut our community out of backcountry planning. What we know, what we observe and what we see happening is not welcome input to MoE staff as generally our input is contrary to the MoE agenda regarding our very presence in the backcountry. In other words, why talk to people who you do not want out there looking around in the first place!
Too bad our snowmobilers could not get a picture of that big cat, it was FAST! and a little unnerving as that animal could kill at will.
The Minister of the Environment has been on our side on a number of other issues and been fair, so the point of cc'ing this email is just to keep the Minister informed about the rest of the story which he is not likely to hear from MoE staff, or lobbyists like ForestEthics.
Please contact our club, or myself if you have any questions.
Regards
Lee Sexsmith
Mountain Director
Prince George Snowmobile Club
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Well-known member
Here is the article from this wks. paper. We tried to tell our side of the story and just what we are doing. I guess if you have letters behind your name people will listen to you. We invited the editors to come on a ride and see first hand what we are doing, but they had a deadline to meet and turned us down and they went ahead and wrote the story. We have rode with ministers and the head of SARCO last yr. with great results. The paper didn`t tell the readers we have already lost 60% of the riding areas to the N. of Revy, that we have worked with gov. for the past 3 yrs. to complete our Stewardship Management Agreement, that these groups are asking for an additonal 75% of the areas we have left to ride to be closed or that WE ARE stewards of the backcountry. They did mention that we are volunteers but did not inform readers of all the work we do or the costs to run our programs that are funded by members of the Revy club from right across Canada and the NW states. What a waste of our time.
Wonder who gives it to us next wk.?
http://www.bclocalnews.com/kootenay_rockies/revelstoketimesreview/news/40577768.html
Wonder who gives it to us next wk.?
http://www.bclocalnews.com/kootenay_rockies/revelstoketimesreview/news/40577768.html
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i am curious to know where all the reference material that has been accumulated (for these enviro. groups and/or the govt decision makers) is posted or filed and by whom it was gathered? is it current enough to be considered acurate? were the individuals who compiled this data "neutral" to the process or part of "special intrest" groups? is there a follow-up process to re-evaluate areas for possible "re-opening" if it has been established that snowmobiles may not have been the problem in these closed areas (pointing to possible predator over population, climate-driven vegetation changes,etc.)? PS: do the comments on the articles ever get posted in this paper or do they fall on deaf ears?Here is the article from this wks. paper. We tried to tell our side of the story and just what we are doing. I guess if you have letters behind your name people will listen to you. We invited the editors to come on a ride and see first hand what we are doing, but they had a deadline to meet and turned us down and they went ahead and wrote the story. We have rode with ministers and the head of SARCO last yr. with great results. The paper didn`t tell the readers we have already lost 60% of the riding areas to the N. of Revy, that we have worked with gov. for the past 3 yrs. to complete our Stewardship Management Agreement, that these groups are asking for an additonal 75% of the areas we have left to ride to be closed or that WE ARE stewards of the backcountry. They did mention that we are volunteers but did not inform readers of all the work we do or the costs to run our programs that are funded by members of the Revy club from right across Canada and the NW states. What a waste of our time.
Wonder who gives it to us next wk.?
http://www.bclocalnews.com/kootenay_rockies/revelstoketimesreview/news/40577768.html
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Seems like in northern B.C. the mortality rate is due to natural predators wolfs being the main predator, but there is mention of wolverine and grizzly as well as cougars , there is also old age. I think closing down and deactivating roads is only going to make the problem worse by doing this they are also going to allow the wolf population to grow as well the natural predators will also be safe from humans. I think in time these areas may be open to guiding outfits to hunt wolf and other natural predators the government will be selling permits to guiding outfits for $$$$ and foreigners will be paying big bucks for the hunt, this is evident in bill 30. Also caribou need pine trees and spend a lot of time in the pine forests there is a lot of studies that show that it is where they feed at certian times of the year. Our pine forests are going to dissapear soon and i believe that it is going to drive these herds into distinction, maybe they will try to move to areas where they can survive or maybe they won't have cover any longer and be killed off by natural predators, either way the pine forests are going to be gone and their survival depends on this. I think that we need the government and the logging companies to invest heavily in a massive reforestion plan for these areas, instead they are just going to abandon these areas because neither them or the logging companies want to be responsible for them any longer, i would like to see the plans for future reforestation in these areas if there is one. I was reading this after seeing a sign just outside Vanderhoof seems the government is selling our land for profits these days.
http://www.bcbackwoods.ca/
http://www.bcbackwoods.ca/
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The type of tree the lichen grow on isn't a pine, so the Mountain Caribou won't be dying from a lack of forage anytime soon. Hunting and now predation are the main cause of the decline in the Mountain ecotype populations.
Those nutbars at ForestEthics now want to add another stress to our local Mountain Caribou population as they are demanding that the government round up a bunch of our local caribou and ship them south. The mortailty last time from the shipment out of Penny was about 30%, and by the second year the science team couldn't find any survivors in the transplant area. It was just murder, but you can't tell ForestEthics anything because they are on a mission to "save the caribou". Sound like ForestEthics is convinced they can blackmail the government into doing it again.
At least with ForestEthics, and their bumbuddies WildSight, running things there won't be any caribou around at all in a couple years. Or sleds either.
The type of tree the lichen grow on isn't a pine, so the Mountain Caribou won't be dying from a lack of forage anytime soon. Hunting and now predation are the main cause of the decline in the Mountain ecotype populations.
Those nutbars at ForestEthics now want to add another stress to our local Mountain Caribou population as they are demanding that the government round up a bunch of our local caribou and ship them south. The mortailty last time from the shipment out of Penny was about 30%, and by the second year the science team couldn't find any survivors in the transplant area. It was just murder, but you can't tell ForestEthics anything because they are on a mission to "save the caribou". Sound like ForestEthics is convinced they can blackmail the government into doing it again.
At least with ForestEthics, and their bumbuddies WildSight, running things there won't be any caribou around at all in a couple years. Or sleds either.
geez,yamadoo- you're up late/early....do you know if there is any kind of re-evaluation process for the closures, or is it a permanent thing that everybody will just have to get used to? if these enviro's keep reducing the numbers with their half a$$ed attempts to "fix" things without fully understanding the "actual" causes of the population loss(something that was obviously overlooked in the transfer area you mentioned) the whole province may get closed.
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any word on loss of areas for blue/valemount/mcbride?
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