First off I apologize to Astro for being part of the thread Hijacking.
It is not very nice from all of us i have to agree.
When he posted pics of his 1500 turbo project last season it blew me away the sled is frickin gorgeous and well thought out. That commends a lot of respect from me, anyone the pushes this industry forward deserves respect even you Supra. There is a lot of time spent getting more power on the snow and it really has taken off in the last 5 years.
I agree with you.
My problem with you Supra is your don’t come across as having much respect for the efi community on this forum, these guys have worked hard and put in a lot of time getting boosted sleds to work.
I don't understand why you are telling me that?? i have a lot of respect for all of the guys out there that have been working on e.f.i. solutions, what's pissing me off is guys with little knowledge (not negative) trying to make their points by agressively puting people down with racist comments, and bull$hit posting to foul people around intentionaly.
There is a lot of smart people here, There would be a lot more people on this forum with a positive position to you if you quit coming across as a butplug, it is about respect.
I have read all of your post and i don't think guys like Duke,NM,you, and smokindave have nothing to teach me about respect, in fact if there is some rude guys around this forum it as to be you and that little gang of yours.i am aware there is a lot of young guys on here with not too much understanding of e.f.i. and there is SO much bull$hit around....they need to be informed.
You don’t seem to understand that a 2-stroke is a difficulty platform to boost it is not the air pump like a four stroke. As you stated in your previous post to me your guys have no experience working with boosted 2-strokes.
I think it is you Boyko who doesn't understand that we have been working for the past two years on 2 stroke??not the opposite. 4 stroke engine do not have secrets for us no more, for the last 12 years, our tuner/engineer as done it all......always perfect? no, but our tuner record is pretty damn good. we realy understand boosting a 2 stroke "correctly" is a challenge but now that we have the right tool to "tune" e.f.i. correctly and manage all sensors for added security it is going to be a new way of taking care of business. a two stroke will always be a 2 stroke therefore not as reliable as a 4 stroke but how much more fun to drive!!
You have not really slanders the other efi guys to much on this thread but you have in the past, if you deny that you do not understand what you have posted or have no retention of your previous posts.
I turn ugly when i read to much crap....
I have not done any work setting up a standalone system nor do I want to because time is important to me and I would rather be riding than flipping open a lap top, I hate carrying a pc with me when I ride.
This sentence exactly confirm you do not understand what an ecu is.
I have worked with tables before and even have vi-pecs 4.8 software on a pc.
If you have worked before with a vi-pec standalone how in the world are you doubting this ecu will have a 2 stroke work correctly then??
I am capable of setting up a ecu but will not commit the amount of time needed because I feel it is not necessary.
maybe you do not want to commit the time for a good tune but other will...like us... that is why we built that ecu and want to share our knowledge and excitment with other HP freaks.
So you built your controller and vi-pec put there name on it, that is impressive, you are using there firmware and software?
In the post you are refering to for this sentence, read it carefully!!! it was a sarcastic joke!! all of the design and codes and firmware is vi-pec sole property. I have send a sled in new zealand with an engine dyno and our tuner/engineer to build from a to z a new ecu "direct factory replacement", all the work has been done by vi-pec engineers in new zealand....in fact one of the sled is still in new zealand getting the ECU perfected ast the same time we are fine tuning base mapping to make sure all is good.
Did they release there source codes to you, I doubt it is open source. As far as getting your system up and running perfect for the mountain turbo guys, there is no shortcut, it is going to take time
i agree with you.but how much time? this i don't know only time will tell but i know we are taking this project realy seriously.
I do not know how well vi-pecs, target AF function will work on a 2-stoke, it will take a season.
This is exactly the kind of affirmation you should not say.You don't know nothing about the software and technology of This ECU and yet you know it is going to take a season???
Here is one of there rebuttals “ Do you mountain guys realy think you are a special place on earth??haven't you see cars, trucks, atvs,utvs,snowmobile riding around you? Up to now nobody had the tools to do the work right it is that simple.
“ First off there is a lot of mountain riders on this forum, you can say it is not directed at all of them but it seems to be.
It is directed to mountain riders thinking they are better, or more special than any other rider like a FEW of you guys.
Statements like this tell me you are the one that does not know a lot about efi
Boyko, the easiest part to tune on a e.f.i. machine is the wide open throttle(because of the linearisation of the air flow.) wich you mountain guys are always on. It is many time harder to fine tune a map for someone boondocking who is on and off throttle all the time but this you don't know obviously. the only big problem you guys have to overcome is the chute in air density when big clouds at 10 000 ft drop down temperature down by 10 degrees(as an example), for me the load on the engine is not a proble because it will be engine dyno tuned from 0%-100%.
Other stuff driving around are not in a harsh environment like mountain sled
Please explain....a truck climbing a muddy or snowy hill from 6000 ft to 8000 ft will experience the same condition as the sled will simply not as fast as sleds.engine load will vary from 0-100% like you guys, temperature drop down and air density is equal for all motors. up to now, there weren't "tool" to tune properly those things(in the sled industry)
I have seen new bone stock sleds run like crap in the mountains.
do you sincerly think we have never seen a bone stock sled run like crap here? most of the time is it hardware problems. if the same sled runs just fine with same mapping then you know you have hardware problems .
Just because you don’t see does not mean there has not been a lot of R&D getting anything efi to run properly.
Have i ever said that??
Sled do not have the advantage of close loop O2,
No commercial vehicule runs on 100% O2 close loop !
mass air flow sensors and conservable tuning you can not have that with a snowmobile and a 2-stroke has the narrowest window for tuning.
2 stroke vs 4 stroke...
You will never see a factory 2-stroke turbo sled because it would be a warrenty nightmare and would not be environmentally friendly.
it is obvious....but we all hp freaks do it anyway!!! that is why i came up with this ECU....to take the failure probability at the minimum, managind all functions and sensors and extra functionality to make sure we give you the best possible experience.
Myself I am fortunate enough to build turbo kits as a hobby, I do a few a year, my fist 2-stroke was a stroked polaris twin with a aerocharger about 10 years ago. I do all my own work, machining, welding and the efi programming and setup. My hands are always dirty. This Sunday I am having a dyno session and bbq for a bunch of big HP Harley guys. I built a bike quad dyno last year and will fab up a car chassis dyno before the year is up.
Awsome!! i am then offering you to use your facilities for us to go fine tune our rmk turbo in altitude and your terrain knowledge will certainly help. This is not a joke, it is a real offer. let me know where you live and we will show up at your place if you can help with garage,engine dyno(of course) and a bit specialized tooling(clutching we are no Pro and have a lot to learn).....let me know if interested.
I have to go cook some pork now, Show some respect and you will get it back.............. Butplug LOL
Even if temptation is enormous, i will hold myslef and stay polite to you just to show you some "respect"......nothing you have assimilated obviously.
p.s.: my offer stays.
I think we(NM,DUKE,you smokindave, zipernno and a few others) should stop arguying because we are all hard headed bastard and will not drop the puck.....For me it was my last post on this thread.Pm me for the offer i submitted to you.
