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Let's Stop The Selfishness!!!!

I see another post of a life ended too soon. Followed by many heartfelt notes of sorrow and condolenses. Yes, it is a very tragic and sad situation for the wives, girlfriends, children, parents and friends. But why do these people have to die????

There are always side notes that these people died doing what they love. But why does this passion have to be put ahead of the feellings of so many loved ones? It is simply a selfish act when people decide to ignore the avy warnings and massive media attention surrounding the conditions this year and choose to put themselves in a known risky situation and die! It's easy to be dead! By proving how great their sled is and chasing their adrenaline rush they hurt so many for so long. And countless others are brought into these situations as well.
Quote from Snow and Mud:
Re: Clemina claims another.

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Is there some sort of contest to see how many snowmobilers can die this year?
As the search and rescue manager for the McBride & Valemount areas I can tell all of you that it's getting harder and harder to find trained professionals that are willing to bring out your dead.
The snowmobiling community has to address the number of deaths caused by this sport.

Dale Mason
Search and Rescue Manager
Robson Valley Search and Rescue
McBride & Valemount



Beyond the loss of life, a year like this may end up affecting our sport as a whole. Having only been a sledder for 3 yrs after over 20 yrs of skiing I know that we aren't a popular sport with the general public. We are seen as a polluting, noisy, and reckless group (rightfully so this year, we look like a bunch of lemmings walking off a cliff because we see one track heading there)! These things will all make land closures and extra regulation more appealing to politicians and environmental groups.

So before you head out for your next ride, think beyond your own personal rush. What does sledding mean to you? Lining up at the bottom of a big hill, taping your throttle to the bars and standing there till your ground speed falls enough to force a turn out; then hoping the hill holds in place? Can you not enjoy your day playing in small rolling hills, creekbeds, or meadows, while finding new areas and enjoying a bluebird day with your buddies?

Does it really upset you that much to come home from a weekend of sledding to have to tell your 3 yr old son that daddy had a bad weekend because all he did was ride endless powder with his buds but didn't get to highmark Suicide hill??? I know little Timmy would probably kick you in the junk, and run out of the room shouting "you pansy, your not my daddy anymore"!

So for the rest of this season and through the off season quit thinking about yourselves. Think who your decisions are affecting, what your life means to others, and what you really enjoy about sledding. If you cannot possibly see yourself sledding without hammering the hills, either quit this sport; or go out piss of all friends and relatives so much that they won't miss you when your gone. Then you can go hammer the hills with a clean conscience!

Our sport can be relatively safe with proper training and educated decisions based on what the pros say and what your training tells you about the conditions that you encounter.
 
Thank you!!!!!! Great thread! This is exactly how I feel and think...constantly. I will never disrespect the dead....but I will not respect the decisions they have made to get them dead. I will not respect that they didn't think about family and friends at home when they were caught up in the moment.

There are many situations we cannot avoid in this sport....many have passed with no apparent risks...but there always is!!! We will always be prone to dying this way when you ride a sled in the backcountry and many have passed away that have been safe and made smart choices. However, this year there are no excuses. The risk has been high from the beginning and experts said it would continue to be high the whole season....yet people still die.
 
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Some body finally said it!!! I am not trying to be mean to the loved ones of avalanche victims, just saying. I think this is mother natures way of weening out the oblivious who climb on avalanche prone hills. Be safe and remember, it is more fun to play in the trees and meadows than to be an avalanche victim!!!!

P.S.- I knew a guy who got caught and died in avalanche so I know how it feels to lose a friend to an avalanche.
 
I too agree. How many times we hear of people killed, be it in a car,on a sled,boat or bike,whatever; and we hear how they lived their life to the full,doing what they loved etc. It seems to me that if they would put others(family,children,friends) ahead of the need to be king or for the love of a thrill, many lives could be saved to play another day. I have had 3 friends killed in avys over the last 4 years.2 of them were totally preventable. Only 1 was an accident. It is hard to feel sorry for those who put thrills ahead of sense ability. When you see some of the videos,glorifying insane risks just to outdo the last guy,climbs ending in disaster, young lives snuffed out WAY to early. I know of a hand full of kids whose later years in life will be incredibly painful due to the broken bones and damage done, all for the sake of a few moments of fame, it seems like such a waste. I when young took far to many risks and am paying for those now. Hopefully some will read this and take a moment and consider if it is really worth it. When you are young you seem bullet-proof, but the aches and pains of the foolish choices we make when young will definitely catch up. It is only a matter of time.When I was in the hospital with a blown disc from work(not playing), a kid was brought in and my surgeon told me he will never walk again, all because his FRIENDS:( cheered him on to do a huge jump and he crashed,breaking his back in several places. I would think someone like Blair Morgan would go back and do things differently if he had the chance. Life is far too short to spend the rest of your life in a wheelchair, or to miss out on years of fun without the pain. I really do feel for those who have died in avy's, but I feel far more for the ones left behind to grieve. They are the ones who have to go on hurting. I hope no one is offended by this because that is certainly not my intent. I simply HATE to see the pain left behind when a loved one dies unnecessarily, just for the sake of fun. RIP to all who have died.:face-icon-small-sad
 
I like the whole " He died doing what he loved" Actually, he loved snowmobiling not being swept through rocks and trees being smashed only to finally suffocate. Not the way I wanna go. And I live and breath riding.
 
I couldn't say it any better!! Think of other as you make life changing choices!!Please!!!!!!
I too agree. How many times we hear of people killed, be it in a car,on a sled,boat or bike,whatever; and we hear how they lived their life to the full,doing what they loved etc. It seems to me that if they would put others(family,children,friends) ahead of the need to be king or for the love of a thrill, many lives could be saved to play another day. I have had 3 friends killed in avys over the last 4 years.2 of them were totally preventable. Only 1 was an accident. It is hard to feel sorry for those who put thrills ahead of sense ability. When you see some of the videos,glorifying insane risks just to outdo the last guy,climbs ending in disaster, young lives snuffed out WAY to early. I know of a hand full of kids whose later years in life will be incredibly painful due to the broken bones and damage done, all for the sake of a few moments of fame, it seems like such a waste. I when young took far to many risks and am paying for those now. Hopefully some will read this and take a moment and consider if it is really worth it. When you are young you seem bullet-proof, but the aches and pains of the foolish choices we make when young will definitely catch up. It is only a matter of time.When I was in the hospital with a blown disc from work(not playing), a kid was brought in and my surgeon told me he will never walk again, all because his FRIENDS:( cheered him on to do a huge jump and he crashed,breaking his back in several places. I would think someone like Blair Morgan would go back and do things differently if he had the chance. Life is far too short to spend the rest of your life in a wheelchair, or to miss out on years of fun without the pain. I really do feel for those who have died in avy's, but I feel far more for the ones left behind to grieve. They are the ones who have to go on hurting. I hope no one is offended by this because that is certainly not my intent. I simply HATE to see the pain left behind when a loved one dies unnecessarily, just for the sake of fun. RIP to all who have died.:face-icon-small-sad
 
When its your time to go. Its just your time. I could die just as easily in my car on the way to work. I bet the odds are pretty good. I just hope when I go people remember what I did for others and not just how good I got at something I did for my self.
 
When its your time to go. Its just your time. I could die just as easily in my car on the way to work. I bet the odds are pretty good. I just hope when I go people remember what I did for others and not just how good I got at something I did for my self.

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When its your time to go. Its just your time. I could die just as easily in my car on the way to work. I bet the odds are pretty good.

Do you drive the wrong way down one-way streets? Do you run red lights and stop signs? Do you pull out and pass on solid yellow lines?

We play the odds game everyday but I think most folks are doing everything possible to minimize the risk. Climbing hills like the ones we see these people dying on is not what I would consider "minimizing the risk".
 
I too agree. How many times we hear of people killed, be it in a car,on a sled,boat or bike,whatever; and we hear how they lived their life to the full,doing what they loved etc. It seems to me that if they would put others(family,children,friends) ahead of the need to be king or for the love of a thrill, many lives could be saved to play another day. I have had 3 friends killed in avys over the last 4 years.2 of them were totally preventable. Only 1 was an accident. It is hard to feel sorry for those who put thrills ahead of sense ability. When you see some of the videos,glorifying insane risks just to outdo the last guy,climbs ending in disaster, young lives snuffed out WAY to early. I know of a hand full of kids whose later years in life will be incredibly painful due to the broken bones and damage done, all for the sake of a few moments of fame, it seems like such a waste. I when young took far to many risks and am paying for those now. Hopefully some will read this and take a moment and consider if it is really worth it. When you are young you seem bullet-proof, but the aches and pains of the foolish choices we make when young will definitely catch up. It is only a matter of time.When I was in the hospital with a blown disc from work(not playing), a kid was brought in and my surgeon told me he will never walk again, all because his FRIENDS:( cheered him on to do a huge jump and he crashed,breaking his back in several places. I would think someone like Blair Morgan would go back and do things differently if he had the chance. Life is far too short to spend the rest of your life in a wheelchair, or to miss out on years of fun without the pain. I really do feel for those who have died in avy's, but I feel far more for the ones left behind to grieve. They are the ones who have to go on hurting. I hope no one is offended by this because that is certainly not my intent. I simply HATE to see the pain left behind when a loved one dies unnecessarily, just for the sake of fun. RIP to all who have died.:face-icon-small-sad


There is a difference in riding hard and riding dumb.

I doubt Blair Morgan would change anything (other than the outcome of the crash)
 
No snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible....

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your lucky numbers are 42,52,19,7,32,29........

just wanted to share my fortune cookie from the chineese buffet with all of you on snowest!
 
In a world where it is prevalent that bigger is better, you have to prove the next guy wrong..you get situations like this. Yes there are freak accidents..things do happen. I'm all about living life to the fullest, and snowmobiling and riding is a huge thing for me...but then again so is my family and my friends. I have waay too many goals in my life that I want to achieve in that aspect, (get married, have children..etc.) that makes me not squeeze the trigger to the bars.
Racing used to be a huge passion of mine, but seeing friends wreck time after time, becoming paralyzed, losing limbs..it just wasn't worth it to me anymore. I'd rather just freeride with my family and friends..teach my kids how to ride, and ride smart at that. I also used to love sportbikes, until I rode with guys that would go 160+ with me on the bike..and pop wheelies with no intention of telling me, I'm sorry I don't want my parents scraping me off the pavement. It is called growing up, and some people never get the memo. In no way am I trying to disrespect the dead either, but as said before, I will not respect the decisions that got them that way. Ride safe, and enjoy all the rest that comes with life...
 
I don't think any of the fella's that died this year in slides wanted to. Most are uneducated about the big hills, and some just roll the dice a few times too many. I still climb and enjoy the rush it gives me. I think and check (almost)every big hill before poking a run at it. Getting on here and yelling at dead guys might change a few peoples minds, but when most guys are at the bottom of "Jumbo turbo suicide hill" with the rest of the monkeys waiting to get the licks in, it's tough, for some, to say no. I have said no quite often; but not everytime. It's a tough deal-this avy thing-and no matter what, guys are still gonna buy the farm every winter in slides. That boys is sad, but it's also life:beer;
 
other than Poacher, you guys/gals have hit the nail on the head. kudos to all.

climbing hills right now is like skydiving into a tornado!! and yet, I don't know anyone that would attempt it!!

lets think about our family and friends more often when riding. I have a sticker on my dash that says "WE LOVE YOU DADDY". if you can look down and see that, you are going to think twice. it works very well for me.
 
This year is arguably the worst snowpack conditions season in recent history, in our area for sure (Kootenay Boundary, British Columbia). Many layers of snow releasing by means of natural and human triggers. It is also the worst year on record, to my knowledge of snowmobiler fatalities caused by avalanche. My riding paterns changed accordingly this season. Alot more time spent assessing the conditions and to be honest alot of times we just plain chickened out and chose to stay off the BIG hills for NOW. That was OUR decision. Respect it. You may choose to run the same hill we walked away from. That is your decision. I respect it. This is where I still have a problem with all you guys coming on here and running down the decisions made by these guys and completely disrespecting them and their families. Most of you start off by saying stating that no disrespect to the families...but...buddy was an idiot for being there etc...Well quite frankly you already disrespected the families by starting the post and letting us know YOUR OPINION THAT WE DONT REALLY CARE ABOUT IN THE FIRST PLACE.I have never seen such a group of nay sayers and hipocrits like the sledding community. I come from another sport of Professional Rodeo, where fatalities and inuries are unfortuneatly part of the sport both indirectly through travel etc and the actual participation of individual sport. I have NEVER ONCE heard someone from that community dissing a fellow competitor for his or her choice in competeing and paying the ulitmate price. There is and was a higher level of respect and I think compassion from that group than what I see on this site in particular. Enough is enough. Contrary to popular belief this sport is not the only recreational activity that suffers from inury and death, get over it. Here are a few more stats for you too look through. Let the red rep flow but I said my piece.


Bicycling - In 1998, more than 320,000 children and adolescents ages five to 14 were treated in hospital emergency rooms for bicycle-related injuries. In addition, 225 children and adolescents ages 14 and under died in bicycle-related crashes in 1997.

Baseball and softball - Nearly 117,000 children and adolescents ages five to 14 were treated in hospital emergency rooms for baseball-related injuries, and nearly 26,000 children and adolescents ages five to 14 were treated for softball-related injuries. Baseball also has the highest fatality rate among sports for children and adolescents ages five to 14, with three to four persons dying from baseball injuries each year

Here are some statistics from the 1999 edition of National Safety Council's Injury Facts:
Sport Fatalities Injuries
Hunting 92 880
Swimming 1500 not specified
Recreational boating 821 4555
Parachuting 47 not specified
Skiing and snowboarding 26 (22 skiing and 4 snowboarding) not specified
Football 7 334,420




 
I can't even imagine what the last few thoughts would be of someone struggling to move and taking their last attempt at a breath but I'd bet it wouldn't be "Oh well, I was doing what I like and I did get the highmark".
 
hmmmm I wonder who this is from! haha .....BTW fool it wasn't red you gave me....it was purple like your little purple helmet you play with soooo much.

Let's Stop The... 04-12-2009 11:39 AM red bi***


You have some balls giving me red! haha....you are gonna be red for months to come now!




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