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Knowing what you know RIGHT NOW, what would you do?

I ran across this video of a interview with Polaris engineering. I think all the manufactures try their best to build a reliable sled in a very competitive market. My 2011 Pro still runs strong and I never had any issues. The same with my 09 Dragon which ran great.



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Same as it ever was.

Yep... my attitude has not changed... sure there may be some mfg hicckups...And I hope that they are limited to a small group of sleds...

I feel the same way as I did last year when we rode these sleds... And we beat the snot out of them.


The fourms are a great place to stay informed... but also a place where things get blown out of proportion.



 
You make decisions based on the info you have at the time. Looking back with new information and thinking "I should have gone the other way" isn't logical or usually productive. Hindsight is 20/20 right? So I looked at what it would cost me to upgrade from the 13 which I figured was about $3000. What I knew I would get for my $3000; seat, belt drive, 17lbs less weight, slightly better track, some more bling(carbon fiber frame parts), better lower A-Arms, brand new sled including a brand new engine. What I might get; more power, engine upgrades that might fix some of the known issues, and maybe a positive surprise of something buried in the sled somewhere. So I went for it. Cost me $2500 in reality. All of the positives are small but added up they were worth it.
Seeing all the issues with belts and drive shaft this early doesn't look good. I don't know if it bad engineering(looks that way) that will effect all the sleds at some point in their life or just bad manufacturing or a combination? Have I bought a Dragon style sled that is going to dog me all the way to resale? Am I one of the lucky ones who will ride it problem free for 1000-1500 miles then upgrade? Or will I have some hicups in an otherwise great season.
So point for the thread was;
1. I wanted to see what guys who did what I did where thinking or doing.
2. Would like for Polaris to know that their decisions are costing them customers.
3. Would like to see Polaris grab this thing by the nutz and fix it. Treat their customers like a valuable commodity. Treat them like they would want to be treated.
4. Help me decide what to do.
As it stands I am in a bad spot. I have several mods I want to do to the Pro. Shocks, skid, Carls Clutching, weight loss, bars, bumpers, bags etc. $1000s of dollars I am not going to spend until this thing shakes out or may never spend if Polaris stays true to form. If I had not paid for my sled in full I would abandon the $500 deposit and just move on.

And don't forget a large improvment to the running boards you also got with your upgrade. All the little things add up to a real nice gain for the buyer. I hope it works out.
 
I thought he had a new 1100 Turbo Proclimb?

Yes he does. A 300 HP 4-stroke turbo and a 2-stroke N/A sled, that's the perfect combo. That's my combo for this year.

We all push the manufacturers for awesome new stuff. All the manufacturers have problems with new product. I still have 50 or more replaced ski doo drive shafts from the 2008 XP problem piled out back. We get through it and have better sleds for it. If you want the latest and greatest you have to deal with the possibilities of something not working right.
 
I bought sleds for 3 people, 2 XMs and a Pro. I also bought a couple of 4 strokes. As stated in the posts I have other stuff to ride if the Pro falls apart. We do most of our riding where the two strokes are much easier and more fun to ride.
Also, I have a great dealer but they can't "fix" this problem. A dealer can't absorb the costs of a problem like this. This is the manufacturer problem and Polaris has shown they will not handle this well for their customers. What do you think Polaris will do for Carl's customer on a 910? Turbo guys? They will have to remove their turbos and lie to get help. How far will it go? Clutch kits? 3" tracks?
We will know in 4 weeks whether it's isolated or more wide spread or universal. May take a year or so to see if it's an engineering problem or manufacturing problem.
 
I think this is a good thread. All MM is doing is asking a few questions, which 80% of the replies didn't answer, and MM was stating an opinion. No reason for a thumbs down in my opinion.
#1 My answer. I am happy I snowchecked my sled. And traded in my 2011 155"
#2 My opinion. I heard about all the horror stories about the 2011/2012 Pro RMK. Broken motor mounts, broken primary springs, bad wiring harnesses, blown motors, fires, broken rear bumpers, poor power,etc. All true I am sure.

My 2011 Pro RMK 155" 1800+ miles. One bad exhaust temp sensor.
My 2011 Pro RMK 163" 800+ miles. Zero problems.

No worries. :bounce::focus:
 
I bought the 2003 Ski-Doo REV MXZX 800 (the original beaver-tail style)
and suffered all of it's First-Production Year failures (Over-oiling, PTO Side Bearing failure due to ISOPAR vs Inj. Oil, MAG failure, Cracking intake boots, etc, etc) plus the poor deep snow performance :face-icon-small-winof my 121" with the trap door Beaver Tail)

I fought through it, fixed all the warranty crap my self and vowed never to do buisness with the local Ski-Doo dealer again.

Then the wife and I decided to buy the first year 2009 Assaults, great idea, because air-schocks!!!!, which failed of course, and it needed new injectors, a new can, new pistons, like four ECM re-flashes...did I forget anything with the '09 800's?
Oh the 90/10 Competition Track, which for anyone but a racer was 10 percent effective 90 percent of the time, or 90 percent effective 10 percent of the time.

I know what the fight and struggle can be about, and I hope that many more don't have to go through it.

And I ask again, as I did on anther post:

I don't ride 4-wheelers, street bikes, MX Bikes, UTV's or watercraft, so I ask others that do;

Has anyone seen thesame amount of mass failures, warranty work, and recalls on any other mode of recreational transport, as we see on sleds every year, from every manufacturer?

Imagine:

Prop-shaft failure on a watercraft going 60 kts towards a marina....

Drivetrain failure on a streetbike doing the speed limit on a crowded highway....

Drivetrain failure on a UTV makign a last ditch attempt cliibing something around Moab.....


Just seems like us sledders are left out to "freeze" compared to other sports.

Please, enlighten me.

Matte, I fully understand what your saying, great post. Hopefully in a month or two we can all take a deep breathe and say ahhhhhh, we were so premature, sorry Polaris, will you ever forgive us...
You now how bad it is for me Matte, I'm still running an 06' 900 Switcher with the original belt on it and am convinced I'm still miles and money ahead too, but it's getting harder to look at all that new bling. So if I bought a new '13 and blew a drive shaft or belt or motor, you don't need to ask me what if I knew what I knew when now was then, or what ever the saying is, I'd tell you

The above input from ak49er is one of those posts that wake you up with a slap and say yah, wtf is going on here Polaris, you have been making sleds for like 100 years and something like drive shafts are an issue now? Why now, they weren't before. DISCLAIMER (if they are an issue).

Why doesn't Polaris head hunt someone from Yamaha, Honda, Mercruiser, Allison, Borq Warner or someone from Germany and sit them in an office with an 800cc Polaris engine and drive train and tell them they can't come out till they fix it.
May only take them 10 minutes.
 
Polaris

So I rarely say anything on here but after reading all of the post thought I would chime in. First I don't ride a Polaris anymore and went to AC in 2005. My reason was simple but it was a very hard decision to make. I had been riding Polaris products for years and loved them. But in 2002 I purchased the infamous 800 twin. Rode it for two years with almost no issues then the crank broke in half just like thousands of others did. Broke at exactly 1800 miles, just like thousands of others did. Polaris told me sorry, out of warranty. Talked to at least ten other local people who had the same issue and got the same response from Polaris. I understand warranty things, but if you spend $8000 on a new sled and the crank goes between 1500 and 2000 miles like thousands of others did, I think Polaris has a responsibility to it's customers to at least supply the replacement parts or something. Not just sorry out of warranty. I believe Polaris' new sled to be one of the nicest around and every time I see one I think I want one, but then remember all the money they cost me and how much it PI$$ed me of that I missed a half of year of riding because of the broken crank. AC has been very good to me since 2005 and I can honestly say that I don't think I will ever purchase another Polaris which sucks. Hope everyone that purchased the 2013 will have great luck with them though. I just like people who enjoy the sport to have a good time on the hill.
 
MN

Dop1, nice post and just keep eating the yellow snow my friend and if you run out of it just let me know and I will happily ship you some new lemon to pour into the fresh snow.

It is funny that you think all of us guys from NH & MN are the funny ones when you call yourself BGYDOP1. LOL.

I wouldn't expect you to understand what BGYDOP1 is short for, and trust me there is nothing from a state that pushed 10 electoral votes for Obama that I want sent this direction keep your walleye and lake effect snow.
 
I feel there is another area missing from this though; what about those of us that put on a lot of miles and keep a new sled for years, rather than just 1-2? In looking at a possible new Pro, I have concerns over the long-term reliability of the 2013. We can put on 2k miles in a season, and don't let our machine go until we are in 5k and 6k range. So it far more important (and I think should be) to have long-term reliability, a solid frame and drive line, and components that last rather than "the next best thing".

Only putting on 200 miles without an issues tells me nothing, that just means that the sled can last through a break-in period. But if what is being shared turns to be true, and we see some of these major issues in even the first 1500-2000 miles, that is a concern to me.

A short-term sell will lead to just short-term sales.
 
Boy... I thought the Cat guys were a bunch of oversensitive sallies until I saw the responses to this thread!!!!


You guys are pretty funny, can't handle the idea that your new awesome machine isn't as perfect as we all thought???

That said... I'm still buying one, they'll get the driveshaft fixed, and the belt I feel will work out as well.

The Motor is still a POS though... but I'll deal with it.

So, knowing what i know now... I'm still buying.
 
Boy... I thought the Cat guys were a bunch of oversensitive sallies until I saw the responses to this thread!!!!


You guys are pretty funny, can't handle the idea that your new awesome machine isn't as perfect as we all thought???

That said... I'm still buying one, they'll get the driveshaft fixed, and the belt I feel will work out as well.

The Motor is still a POS though... but I'll deal with it.

So, knowing what i know now... I'm still buying.

Can't believe you'r given up the cat!:flypig:
 
Can't believe you'r given up the cat!:flypig:

Oh, I'm not going to ride that delicate flower... I'm going to let Abby test drive it for me!!! Once we figure out if it can hold up to HER riding it, then I'll think about it. If poo could build a motor I'd have one already though.
 
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