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The bad thing is "most" people will agree with him after seeing that.....:(

It is a bummer that people can't share,alot of hikers think they should have exclusive rights to where ever they want to hike.

I have met some cool hikers up there too,it's just the bad apples that spoil it for everybody.

The thing that pisses me off the most is how alot of the summer hikers do FAR more damage to the mountain then we ever could.We are on top of 15 ft of snow,they carve trails in the hillside and the amout of garbage they leave is incredible.If you read the rangers blog,the one thing he allways has to say to the hikers is "pick up your trash!!".He is allways noteing that there is too much trash left by climbers/hikers.. When I hike there in the summer I am amazed at the amout of stuff left by climbers.
 
Its all BS there is more then enough room for everyone, it doesnt have much to do with snowmobiles..... they sure dont complain when they get ride out INJURED!!!

We all just need to learn to share better, takes two tango.
 
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I thought it looked like the snowmobilers politely went by the hikers. It looked like they slowed down and gave them plently of room in between then.
 
I had a nice talk to a hiker one day. He said he couldn't understand why we needed to be up there. It was a clear day and I told him to look around, pick any one of those peaks you see, any of them. We can't ride on any of those, go over there and you will have your silence you require. But no, the reason you come here is because it is a easy access with a "logging road" leading you up to where yyour acess is easy. It's ok with me that you folks come up here and enjoy all there is, just share what is a very small area that we get to enjoy. Or just go climb on the other 75% of Baker that is closed to us. We parted on good terms with a "see ya later" and went on our ways. The moral is neither need to be azzhats to each other........OK some of them can really be annoying.:D
 
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ArcticBoy said:
I had a nice talk to a hiker one day. He said he couldn't understand why we needed to be up there. It was a clear day and I told him to look around, pick any one of those peaks you see, any of them. We can't ride on any of those, go over there and you will have your silence you require. But no, the reason you come here is because it is a easy access with a "logging road" leading you up to where yyour acess is easy. It's ok with me that you folks come up here and enjoy all there is, just share what is a very small area that we get to enjoy. Or just go climb on the other 75% of Baker that is closed to us. We parted on good terms with a "see ya later" and went on our ways. The moral is neither need to be azzhats to each other........OK some of them can really be annoying.:D
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If there is 3 of us and I have 1 kitkat, due I make them split the other half or due I break the fourth piece into three pieces???:confused:

somethings are hard just to share?:mad:
 
this reply to that video cracked me up

Did a snowmobiler impregnate your daughter or something? Why such a hater? If you don't want to see anyone I suggest trails that don't have houses next to them. Colorado is a big state and there are plenty true "Backcountry" trails where the only snowmobile you'll see is the guy saving your life when you get lost.

:beer;:beer;
 
so i saw somebody posted about the effects of jets
and so replied to this guys video asking him if he realizes how his flying is much worse for the atmosphere than orv's

here is his reply,

zeekzilch has replied to your comment on More Snowmobilies Ruining the Quiet on Mt. Baker:

You bring up a good point - I fly way too much for work in addition to various international trips for climbing. However, I do ride my bicycle to the bus stop for work each morning - does that help?
You can reply back by visiting the comments page.
 
AA/AT said:
The thing that pisses me off the most is how alot of the summer hikers do FAR more damage to the mountain then we ever could.We are on top of 15 ft of snow,they carve trails in the hillside and the amout of garbage they leave is incredible.If you read the rangers blog,the one thing he allways has to say to the hikers is "pick up your trash!!".He is allways noteing that there is too much trash left by climbers/hikers.. When I hike there in the summer I am amazed at the amout of stuff left by climbers.
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gotta call complete bull**** on that... Being an active climber and sledder the amount of trash left behind by snowmobilers is staggering compared to climbers. Sure climbers aren't without fault but I pulled 2 packs full of crap off the S side both last year and this year after my machine took a crap. Oil cans full of fuel, beer cans, foil, food containers of every sort, plastic parts, clothing, Jaegermeister empties, more beer cans, etc. You name it, it was there on the snow. Hood Hill and Peanut knob were particularly bad... I was fairly disgusted. I like beer as much as the next guy but its inexcusable not to carry your trash out, it made it in...

Climbers leave wands (it's questionable when those become trash), the occasional rope, a sledom wind swept tent fly, and when an epic/rescue occurs perhaps more of their pack. If you don't believe me, hike up to the camps on the base of the Coleman or Boulder glaciers and see for yourself. There simply isn't much trash.

One of the most positive thing about us sledders is we (some) band together as a user group and take care of the messes. As climbers we can't even get along with each other, let alone other users, truly a band of misfits...

and not all climbers are "greenies"... ;)
 
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gotta call complete bull**** on that... Being an active climber and sledder the amount of trash left behind by snowmobilers is staggering compared to climbers. Sure climbers aren't without fault but I pulled 2 packs full of crap off the S side both last year and this year after my machine took a crap. Oil cans full of fuel, beer cans, foil, food containers of every sort, plastic parts, clothing, Jaegermeister empties, more beer cans, etc. You name it, it was there on the snow. Hood Hill and Peanut knob were particularly bad... I was fairly disgusted. I like beer as much as the next guy but its inexcusable not to carry your trash out, it made it in...

Climbers leave wands (it's questionable when those become trash), the occasional rope, a sledom wind swept tent fly, and when an epic/rescue occurs perhaps more of their pack. If you don't believe me, hike up to the camps on the base of the Coleman or Boulder glaciers and see for yourself. There simply isn't much trash.

One of the most positive thing about us sledders is we (some) band together as a user group and take care of the messes. As climbers we can't even get along with each other, let alone other users, truly a band of misfits...

and not all climbers are "greenies"... ;)
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Back away from the xylene...




:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
Good to Go said:
Back away from the xylene...
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You saying his experiences are untrue? There is quite a bit of difference between a casual hiker and a climber, being that most climbers probably practice LNT..... but then, I don't know any climbers, and I haven't seen the camps...
 
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You saying his experiences are untrue? There is quite a bit of difference between a casual hiker and a climber, being that most climbers probably practice LNT..... but then, I don't know any climbers, and I haven't seen the camps...
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Just the "Staggering part". And you sure that most practice LNT...? or just use the term 'cause it makes them feel good..:p

FYI, the clean up we all did at Gold Creek back in May?? or there about:

Co-worker of Melody's was up last week picking up garbage same place. They pulled 15 full bags. Went from the intersection at the field (where we ended) to the Sno-park (where we started).

It was "staggering" to hear the story....LMAO, I doubt it was sledders..;)

The part of the story that was the funniest was the amount of Dog Poop they picked up...in baggies. Give me a friggen break, how dumb do people get? We picked up 4 or 5 maybe. He said they picked up a staggering number of bags, like dozens. Or whatever. But it was a staggering amount.


Good seeing you this weekend. Been to long.
 
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