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Mr. Redrock
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Who has rode the BD 2860 with intercooler vs 2860 with Tial housing and stainless exhaust?
Is it worth the grand they charge?
Is it worth the grand they charge?
Is the Tial upgrade worth the money?
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tial is always better, hits harder, more power per # of boost, hard to say no to..
but a 2860 on an 800 is plain ignorant.
but a 2860 on an 800 is plain ignorant.
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why do you think the 2860 is not a good thing? thanks sir!
why do you think the 2860 is not a good thing? thanks sir!
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yamazoom
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I've owned and built many 800cc two stroke turbos. They have all had 2860's on them. I think it is a very good turbo for boondocking and lower boost applications. The main benefit of a 2860 over a 2871 or 2876 is spool time. I've ridden both of these other turbos on similar setups to mine and found them to have much more lag then the 2860. If your building one for point and shoot them I would recommend something other than the 2860, but if this is your first turbo you will be very happy with boondockers internally wastegated 2860. I have found this turbo to work excellent up to 12 psi. It will make more boost but it is not very efficient past this point. This of course is just my .02 cents.
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Anthony Oberti
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I hear the 2863 Tial set up works very well.
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dmaxd2500
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Well said. Good info backed by actual experiences.
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Mr. Redrock
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I don't plan on turn the boost up over 10 psi. Ride mostly tress and drainages.
I want a well responding machine,not a point and shoot climber.
Rust is another concern, as my seld sits in enclosed trailer all winter.
I want a well responding machine,not a point and shoot climber.
Rust is another concern, as my seld sits in enclosed trailer all winter.
It is easy enough to add ceramic coating when you purchase the kit or pull the turbo apart and get it done yourself. Great time to do the exhaust as well if it isnt coated.
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Mr. Redrock
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Thats a good idea.
interesting, i have seen the exact opposite. 2860 spooling the worst, 2871 better, 3071 best. would like to get out and ride along side one and compare and see how they stack up.
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Kestrel2126
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That is very odd, as the 2870 and 3070 series turbos have larger housings and heavier compressor wheels. I would guess that the 2860('s) that you rode were either set up or tuned incorrectly, causing the lag.
AO, played with the GTX 2863 a bit last season, and spoke with several guys that race RMSHA that did as well. Our general consensus was that the top end was definitely better, but that the bottom was not nearly as crisp as the standard 2860. The GTX 2860 Tial, is going to be the ticket this season I think. Very similar characteristics as the standard 2860 for spool up, with a lighter billet wheel, and a better top end. Of course the Tial exhaust side as well.
As far as the 2860 setup, the number I heard this weekend with the new setup is 10 more horsepower at the same amount of boost. It will be interesting to get them side by side on the snow and in different situations and then judge differences.
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theshadowrider
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Can you take a GT2860 and convert it to a GTX2860?
What A/R is everyone using? That will certainly change things.
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Kestrel2126
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I would think so, but it would probably be about a wash as far as cost. I also don't know how readily available parts to do that are. You would need the wheel, compressor housing, Tial exhaust housing, and maybe a couple other pieces. Again, I'm not sure you could even make this work, I'm just guessing the center cartridge is the same.
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Anthony Oberti
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I heard that Erin Bukelmans Tial 2863 was a rocket last season(RMSHA). I guess we'll see. Either way the Tial set-up should help any size turbo.
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this is from boondockers website
With its 60mm cast aluminum compressor wheel this turbo charger is an excellent value, offering a great balance between bottom end throttle response and efficiency at high boost levels. The GT2860 has been the preferred choice for several years now and has set a bench mark for all other turbo chargers to compare.
With its modern aerodynamics, billet compressor wheel and ported compressor housing, the new GTX2863 provides improved efficiency at higher boost levels and arguably better bottom end throttle response than the GT2860.
The GTX2867 is the new big boy on the block. Like the GTX2863 this turbo show cases modern aerodynamics, billet compressor wheel and ported compressor housing, these features combined with a larger 67mm compressor wheel may produce a slightly slower throttle response on the bottom end, but no doubt makes up for it with increased efficiency at higher boost levels resulting
this is from boondockers website
With its 60mm cast aluminum compressor wheel this turbo charger is an excellent value, offering a great balance between bottom end throttle response and efficiency at high boost levels. The GT2860 has been the preferred choice for several years now and has set a bench mark for all other turbo chargers to compare.
With its modern aerodynamics, billet compressor wheel and ported compressor housing, the new GTX2863 provides improved efficiency at higher boost levels and arguably better bottom end throttle response than the GT2860.
The GTX2867 is the new big boy on the block. Like the GTX2863 this turbo show cases modern aerodynamics, billet compressor wheel and ported compressor housing, these features combined with a larger 67mm compressor wheel may produce a slightly slower throttle response on the bottom end, but no doubt makes up for it with increased efficiency at higher boost levels resulting
PUSH TURBO TiAL
I use a 28-73 HTA billet wheel on all my TiAL turbo kits.
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I use a 28-73 HTA billet wheel on all my TiAL turbo kits.
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